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Welcome back Edit

Good to see you back :)  The Gunny   17:53, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Theo Edit

It was definitely going to end with him gaining those rights. I was rather looking forward to him proving me a fool after winning by showing the traits that I was seeing as lacking. Thanks for your input. I know I can be a bit overwhelming at times. Although, I do wish he could have handled the criticism a bit better. Have fun with Fallout 3! I just recently got New Vegas through Steam so I could finally play with mods, and I'm absolutely loving it. As soon as I'm finished, I'll be moving on to Fallout 3, too. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:47, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Alliance Edit

The vote was over and the only option gaining minimum requirements was the Sci-fi alliance. I put in the request to join it. The Gunny   19:00, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I think we'd better come up with some kind of criteria for affiliate wikis. I'm sure tons of wikis would line up to be listed on our main page, mine one of them. we've got links to the sister wikis, both language and game type, but only that one affiliate wiki. I reckon I'll open a forum to discuss what the criteria should be and what the process should be to be named affiliate. The Gunny   01:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Votes Edit

This will be a circulating message to all users that expressed their opinions over my recent discussion and vote. Please make sure to update your votes accordingly to this new information:

• Info-box Mk.II - For those of you wanting to see an example first, an example for how the changes will look (Keep in mind that this example is in its most basic form.) can now be found here. If a positive community consensus is reached, the new design will become functional here and the community can decide from there whether the final design is appropriate or not on Nukapedia.
• JunkRadio - I would like to share a quote from the JunkRadio designer himself: I was thinking of adding it to the top left or bottom left corner of the wiki. I can give it absolute positioning, which means that it will display on the top left, regardless of screen resolutions. If necessary, I can make it scroll down with the page as well, although this might distract users from reading the actual pages. - Mark van Alphen
  • Thank you for reading, and I'll be looking forward to gathering everyone's final opinion over these new changes. Due to the overwhelming support so far for all three changes, only needing minor points to update them for clarity, the vote will continue as normal, and will end on the 23rd as scheduled. If you would like to dispute this, please leave your concerns and reasons behind them over my talk-page. Happy editing! ^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:03, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Project completion & award Edit

Nukapedia Project Medal You have been awarded the Nukapedia Project Medal for your efforts within the Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas notable loot project. Thanks for helping out with the project! --Skire (talk) 00:44, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Request Edit

It's okay - real life comes first, and we're just glad to hear that you're well enough to pop back in here from time to time. Anyways, onto your actual question: the controversial ban was over Gunner linking 'porn' within our chat room. I joined chat shortly before and after this happened, so the way I saw it, it went a little bit like this:

• Talk over Amanda Todd started. This conversation has been on/off ever since the news broke over her suicide.
• A heated debate started up over whether she deserved what had happened to her, and whether or not suicide is a viable option in any given situation.
• At this point, the debate was taking up the chat as the primary topic, and many users were asking who this Amanda Todd even was.
• Gunner was involved at this point, and was getting a bit too involved in the topic. To the point that when a user directly asked him who Amanda Todd was, he linked the first page that he could find over her. Which happened to show the nude picture of Amanda Todd that started the whole mess behind her suicide.
• Gunner was eventually banned for linking to child pornography.
  • No, this ban did not happen when he had temporary chat mod rights.

^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:30, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, no, I absolutely agree with that, as does DG. What he did was wrong and illegal over Wikia, and he's suffered for his mistake with a ban and his first botched request attempt. What I meant by blown out of proportion is that he's still hounded over it when he he hasn't done anything similar for quite some time, and has shown to have a lot better judgment than what he had shown that day. Aside from this blackmail detail - but I'm still not basing my vote around it as everything presented over it has been vague or mere hearsay. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Forum discussion Edit

Hello Clyde. This is a message I will be rotating among Nukapedia's sysops and regular contributors. I would like your input on this forum. In an attempt to remove redundancy and confusion, I have proposed some tweaks to user rights, including the elimination of the moderator position. Thanks for your time, and let me know if you have any questions. ^{nihil novi sub sole} 09:20, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

User rights threadEdit

Forwarding this from Gunny's talkpage

Follower's working on a proposal that removes the moderator request. I'm sure you're aware of it. This also made me consider re-evaluating the admin requirement. What do you think of raising that to 1,250 main namespace edits? I've heard people (especially admins) are setting their standards higher and higher before voting yes on admin's requests. We've noticed it with Theo. And another thing Hal10k and KristofferAG are long eligible for removal of rights. I suggest we do that. They are inactive for more than a year. At the moment the inactive period for removal of rights is 9 months. What do you say we suggest upping that to a year? I think 9 months is too short after all. And then we have GhostAvatar. What do we do about him? I suggest we contact him in a while what his plans are. In any case, we should not remove his rights after 9 months in my opinion. That's too soon. A year, then ask Wikia to remove it, if he decides not to return or not answer our mail. Jspoel 19:18, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Notices tab Edit

Clyde, I'm not sure if you might remember this or not, but before Gav left, we were working on some javascript to add a "Notices" tab to user pages. Here's what it was all about:

• It would be placed next to "contributions" on each user's page that only admins, chat mods and patrollers would see.
• It would link to a special page where official warnings and notices were to be placed.
• It would only be editable by admins, chat mods and patrollers.
• It was intended to replace the "No deleting talk page messages rule" by having a place where all official notifications could be permanently stored in an easy to find place.

Upsides:

• All official notices will be on one page, easy to find.
• No need for the controversial "No deleting talk page messages" rule.
• It's hidden and only accessible to admins, chat mods and patrollers.

Downsides:

• Anyone can see the edits in RC, and if you type in the url, you can read the notices. They won't be able to edit it, but they will be able to read it.
• It would require the admin, chat mod or patroller to leave a message on the user's talk page so the user can get the alert and read the message, and then they would have to copy the same message to the notices page for permanent storage.

I've tested the script and it's ready to test on a wider basis. You can do this by copying the script into your own common.js, if you'd like. I would like to proceed with testing this along these lines:

1. Have you and Js, and any admins who are interested in looking at it test it in their own .js.
2. Move it into the site .js for a site-wide test.
3. Bring up discussion after testing is complete to see if the community wants to revoke the talk page rule and move to this method.

Let me know when/if you want to move forward with this. The Gunny   01:50, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Whatnot Edit

You wouldn't happen to have a form of contact that I could take advantage of? I have a few matters that I want to discuss with the bureaucrats, and I would be interested in hearing your opinions. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 00:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Back up in here Edit

I see you're doing some editing again, welcome back foo --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving 00:13, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

GECK XP rewardEdit

Where did you find the reward XP for The House Always Wins quests? I couldn't find them. Good to see you do some editing again btw. Jspoel 23:05, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, found it! Jspoel 23:46, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Auto refresh Edit

There's a checkbox right next to where it says "Admin Dashboard", labeled auto-refresh. Make sure the box is checked. I've stopped using it because of the lag when the script runs the refresh, but I just checked it and it seems to be working. The Gunny   19:39, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's a javascript that makes it refresh automatically. Try MediaWiki:Common.js, search for automatic and you will have found it. Add that part to the common.js over at the WWII wiki. Jspoel 22:28, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Don't thank me, my check account number is 7485... oh, never mind. I remembered Porter told me about it 2 years ago or so when we had a problem with it. Jspoel 22:50, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like J helped you sort it out. Any issues, let me know. The Gunny   01:16, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Navboxes major charactersEdit

It's incredible on how many pages the major characters navboxes are missing. That we missed it for that long is hard to believe. Time they got added! Jspoel 21:55, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

GECK changes from anonEdit

Hey Clyde, you just had some discussion with an anonymous user about Karma changes on several pages. I just dug into the matter myself checking the GECK and I think he's right. These characters don't use what's directly visible, but another template as he explains on his talkpage. Never really dug into it myself until today so I wasn't aware. Killing Torcher (listed neutral) gives a finger with the Lawbringer perk, so that must mean he is evil and not neutral. Jspoel 00:33, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

I would really love your comments in this discussion if you have a moment. Agent c (talk) 12:07, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Forum Edit

And I apologize if anything that I said seemed antagonistic. Just know that everything I say here aside from a few isolated instances is nothing personal, as I'm only looking out for Nukapedia with my opinions and critique. Looking forward to seeing your further thoughts on that forum. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:09, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

CSS to look at Edit

Hey, Clyde, I had a suggestion from User:Pecoes to add a slightly different hue every other line on long tables to break up the look and make them less a strain to read. I've applied his fix as a separate class, va-table-shaded to look at it. You can see it on Fallout:_New_Vegas_perks, one of the pages he sited as a problem. We can't use it on all tables, since it will interfere with highlighting (e.g. Fallout 3 weapons), but I thought we'd look at it and see what we thought. Let me know if you think it helps or hurts table reading. The Gunny   00:56, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

WolfEdit

Need to talk to you tonight, will be on in about 30 mins... Will you be around? Agent c (talk) 21:59, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking here, but wherever works for you.Agent c (talk) 22:12, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Updated NV portalEdit

Clyde, I've just updated the NV portal to include the add-ons in separate tabs. The Fallout 3 add-on tabs are also in place. Jspoel 18:08, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

User rights removal Edit

Howdy, Clyde. The user rights removal process says:"In the event that an administrator or moderator has been inactive for an extended period of time, they will have their user rights removed by the bureaucrats and restored by a community vote upon a return to constructive editing." What we've been doing is leaving a message on the person's talk page to ask their intentions. The rule doesn't really leave us that wiggle room, it just says their rights will be removed. How should we handle this when we leave the message after a user has been inactive for 9 months, yet they say they intend to still use their rights? Does leaving the return message count as an "edit", resetting the clock for another 9 months? Or should we just enforce the letter of the rule and remove the rights without asking their intentions? I'm also leaving this for Js. Let me know what you think. The Gunny   17:52, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

VaultEdit

It occured last night, and I only informed Gunny and J as they're here all the time, and your visits are somewhat sparodic. No offence meant. Agent c (talk) 19:49, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Clyde, I base my opinion on you not being here all the time not just based on chat, but how often I see your name come up in the recent changes. I dont consider me adding a news item based an event that happened 20 odd hours ago a crisis that demands the attention of 3 bureaucrats, instead I wanted to discuss the situation with a couple of members of the admin team I've worked reasonably closely with and who I often sound out things with. I'm sorry if this offends you.

As for fitness of being a 'Crat or not... I'm tired of that game and aren't going to play.

Chatlogs are available on the wiki itself enjoy. Agent c (talk) 20:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

(←)  You can read some more about this on my talkpage. I added the My Wikia template to our main page. Can't hurt to give it some extra promotion, we have an app for it after all. Jspoel 20:07, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Chat logs sent.  The Gunny   20:23, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Clyde the "game" I am tired of goes directly to your "Fitness" comment. it seems anytime anyone gets into anything more than a minor disagreement with you this comes up, on occasion leading you threatening to quit. That game I am not playing - Lead, Follow, get out of the way, the choice is yours but I am not playing.

I talk to Gunny fairly frequently because I value his advice - as a person and as a fellow member of the admin team. I think we have a pretty good working relationship. When it comes to inter-user issues I especially value his input, and he has on occasion been able to calm me down when I'm off on a crusade - IIRC we talked about this kind of stuff before he wore that hat - I trust him to be able to tell me I'm going too far - this doesn't come from his bureaucrat title.

J I often sound out about advice on wiki matters to - again not as a bureaucrat but as a fellow admin who I know is good for advice. I know J reads my news, often corrects and comments on it. I value his opinion as a person who I have worked with, and as a fellow admin as to what should go there. I trust his judgement there as an individual - this doesn't come from his bureaucrat title.

You need to stop taking this sort of stuff and personalising it. This song isn't about you, it isn't a royal snub. I wanted advice from two people I trust to give me that advice. That they happen to be Bureaucrats is completely secondary.

If you want that kind of relationship with me, where I go to you for advice on something, without your bureaucrat hat on, you'll need to work on that with me; not just simply demand it. Agent c (talk) 20:49, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Clyde, I wasn't referring to when you stepped back for those health reasons. I'm talking about all those times last year when you threatened to leave after having an argument. As for you being notified about it, I was notified after the fact. There were admins, chatmods, and a bureaucrat in chat. Go take it up with them.

As for what is one more page? TBH I don't consider me trying do decide if I'm going to run something in the news about an event that happened 20 hours ago something that needs to be widely circulated. There were two specific people who I wanted advice from, so I sought them. I didn't copy in a lot of other people either. Agent c (talk) 21:28, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox errorsEdit

Probably you can't respond, but to keep you informed, did you notice we have an infobox error where images are messing up the infobox? Something went wrong with Wednesday's update. Wikia is taking a look it at, but they say it's complex problem because of the complicated infobox template we use. I want to give it some more time, and contact Wikia tomorrow on the progress. Jspoel 21:34, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox image problem Edit

I've moved all discussion of the infobox template image issue to Forum:Infobox_image_size_problem so the conversation can occur in one place. You can see my recent findings there. The Gunny   17:05, May 18, 2013 (UTC)