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Bugs edit Edit
Why did you revert my edits on the Sniper Rifle page?Edit
I thought my edits about how you could pick up a sniper rifle for free at Camp McCarran and at a very early level and with no negative reputation impact were useful were useful , so why did you change it back? Unless you can give me a credible reason for your actions, I will change it back to my version.--Jojobobo (talk) 19:25, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Well would it be okay to include it in a Notes section? Even if it amounts to "strategy" I think it's incredibly useful for new players. At the very least, people should definitely be a mention that the sniper rifle is not owned. Let me know if you think a Notes section or a much shorter addendum to locations. I have this drafted for notes: "Unlike many items at Camp McCarran the sniper rifle in the First Recon tent does not count as owned, meaning it can be taken in plain sight without any loss of NCR reputation. By using Stealth Boys obtained in Goodsprings to access New Vegas early, this sniper rifle can easily be obtained before level 5." Obviously I would use the appropriate Notes heading using two equals signs either side and slot it in between Bugs and Locations. --Jojobobo (talk) 17:17, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
So as you recommended I had a quick look at guidance pages and found this under the common mistakes of the community guidelines:
"Deleting without announcing that you're doing it. Remark on it in the edit summary box. Otherwise, other users who care about the page's development will be caught unaware, and may think you're being intentionally sneaky.
Deleting without justifying. Deleting anything nontrivial requires some words of justification in the edit summary or on the discussion page."
Both of which you did. I'll add my comments as a Note as I mentioned above as from looking at the item guidelines there should be anything wrong with that (furthermore, there's nothing explicitly stated about not including that information in Locations, will still leads me to believe your edit was overly judicious and pointless). --Jojobobo (talk) 17:45, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll definitely make the fact it is unowned readily apparent - but still raises the problem of there are other unowned rifles on that list which wouldn't be flagged up in such a way. The whole idea of flagging it as unowned is to enable a better experience from the player, and make them obtain a sniper rifle more easily.
- Further I still don't see the problem with a strategy comment - isn't that useful to a player? Fact is, even if you don't get to the Strip early, it's the best place to get a free sniper rifle period. Sure you can get one in the Legion safehouse, but for that you have to have reached the strip. The Hoover Dam option requires murder, and all other free (i.e. not purchased) sniper rifle locations are either further North than Camp McCarran and/or require travailing more dangerous areas (for example if you travel up the far east side of Vegas you might hit the Strip and Freeside before McCarran, but the area is rife with Fiends). The fact that it is unequivocally the earliest point at which you can get a sniper rifle is to me unarguable, and to me deserves a mention - care to venture why that isn't a worthy addition to the wiki? Even without conscious "strategy" this is still an extremely good location to obtain the rifle, and if I'd known about it sooner (and the fact it's unowned and lying around) is where I would have got one on previous characters - as I wasn't aware it seems like this is a failing of the wiki as its dramatic ease of access wasn't highlighted.
- And fine, I'll try to keep multiple edits down - ordinarily I type something and then spot any minor typographical errors I've posted and change them too. --Jojobobo (talk) 19:26, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
- I've really stripped down my comments on the rifle now if you look at the page, adding to the relevant locations entry: "This rifle is unowned, and can be considered the earliest point to get a free sniper rifle without having first reached the Strip." You're going to have to be very specific about what the problem is if you revert it, as "can be" demonstrates it's an opinion whilst at the same time being of use to players - it removes the strategy element as well considering I pointed out above there is no way normally you can get a free sniper rifle earlier with so little hassle. If you want me to expound on this more I can do (as Hoover Dam is arguably just as close but requires killing, so it is the easiest place to get one without skill investiture) I can do, but as you want this information to be ridiculously parsimonious in order to meet your standards I didn't feel as if further clarification was necessary. --Jojobobo (talk) 19:44, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
- Another user wants you okay this before it is set and stone. I don't see much to pick fault with, so you're going to have to be very specific if you find something wrong, otherwise I'll post up the changes along the lines of we reached an agreement on an appropriate change. --Jojobobo (talk) 20:05, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
- Fine, can I make the change "This item is not considered owned by the NCR and can be picked up without penalty."? I think that is a fair enough change considering almost everything else in McCarran is owned, so a player looking at that page might very well naturally assume that was the case here too. That is completely devoid of any remote strategy, and it is presenting a useful clarification. As you said people can just check these things out, but I think people would naturally assume it's owned as so it is useful to point out it is not (I thought it might be Boone's bed hypothetically, but there's no way to confirm that). --Jojobobo (talk) 20:29, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
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Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
That banner can be placed there. It's in agreement with Chad and myself. Jspoel 00:38, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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You have been elected to be the Hole's VIP commentator. You just have to put your comment below this message so I can copy it onto the blog. This week Dogmeat and Jingwei battle.23:09, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
- "Being an experienced Chinese General, I would hope they would be able handle one wasteland dog. With this hardened veteran being able to shrug off a good bit of damage and armed with his Shocksword and with both opponents fighting up close and personal this could get interesting. Either way, call the doctor, there's gonna be a bleeder."
This good? Great Mara (talk) 02:41, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
Yep, good enough. It has been added.15:05, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
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Dead BoS Paladins NellisEdit
Well, I'd prefer if the text was unedited. If it is really that an issue, I guess it can be reverted (which I already did).10:01, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
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He's actually talked it over with Cassie in chat already, but should have made a note in the edit summary and provided a reference. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 03:33, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
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Loooong time ago Edit
What's an AO game? Is that a developer or a rating or what? I know, your year-old comment was an answer to a four year old comment of mine about fisto... but I just saw it. :o) 126.96.36.199 19:34, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
Higher quality images Edit
The reason for that edit is that I got tired of seeing all .jpg formatted files and wanted to use a .png formatted file. That's it -Hikaru028 November 29, 2014, 19:44 (7:44pm) (UTC)
Feral Ghoul Reaver headshot chanceEdit
I play Fallout 3 on Xbox 360, I've never tested the headshot chance on PS3 or PC, if that helps. It might just be a 360 display bug. DRAEVAN13 19:35, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
Please remain civil. Your reply on John Kendall's talk page to me, saying "C your way the fuck out of here" is completely unacceptable and need to stop before you are blocked for gross misconduct. — SniperKing1 (talk) 10:42, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
- Before you respond to this, Mara, see about checking out the message I sent to his talk-page. Maybe there is still a chance for a bit of understanding, instead of further hostilities. Some Assembly Required! 11:08, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
Questions for an expert Edit
Can't place where I heard it but I can't locate any confirmation or denial anywhere.
I heard there was another DLC in the works that is located in Texas. True? Too good to be true?
Thanks for a timely reply and have a great holiday season.
188.8.131.52 14:53, December 14, 2014 (UTC)Helena Hanbazkt
NotY 2014 boardEdit
Hi Mara. J and I have been thinking that you'd be a good choice for the Nukapedian of the Year board. You haven't been on it before, you've been here a long time, and are in very good standing. We will meet twice (times TBD): once to discuss another two users to join the top four, and another time to decide the final winner(s). Will you accept this invitation? --Skire (talk) 00:27, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
Quick expert question, if you please... Edit
Of the mods I've dealt with here, you've been the most pleasant, helpful and responsive, so I'd like to bug you again to pick your brain. (Also, love your name.)
I'm very high level, close to 50, and I want to get the neutral perk Just Lucky To Be Alive, to get the crit. immunity. The problem is, I'm kind of an "(l)awful-good" player and so accidentally-on-purpose I'm at Messiah alignment. I nuked both NCR and Legion at the end of Lonesome Road, hoping that would even out my karma but I'M STILL a Messiah. I plan to play through No Gods, No Masters ending so I don't want to ally with either faction.
Which quests give negative karma without interfering with my political neutrality (or the lives of my companions)? Seriously, I can't seem to eat enough people or steal enough of anything to make a dent and 50 is looming over my head.
I haven't yet been to the Tops to confront Benny, I'm putting that off 'til the very end. Obviously that means I haven't access to The Fort yet, though I don't know if that would help anyway. Oh, also I've completed the Honest Hearts DLC as well as the Lonesome Road, but no others.
I am user HelenaHanbazkt, but I never log in so I sort of fail to maintain two separate profile pages. Answering to this anon page is most efficient.
Thanks for any time of help you have for me, and have a Happy Winter Festival Season. (I have no clue what your favorite may be, I celebrate them all because why not?
184.108.40.206 21:48, December 18, 2014 (UTC)HelenaHanbazkt
Tracking karmic effects Edit
Is there any way to? I know that I get one bad karma for each human I eat, (you'd think cannibalism would be worth more than shoplifting, but okay), but I have no idea how to compare that "sin" to any other "sin." I can't bring myself to just murder civilians, sigh...
220.127.116.11 22:01, December 18, 2014 (UTC)HelenaHanbazkt
Merry Christmas and a happy new yearEdit
I would like to use the Christmas-wishes-tradition to thank those around me who kept this wiki and daily life more fun for me during the past year. Everything just seems so normal and evident that we are here almost every day, yet it's very worthwhile to consider for a moment how wonderful it is to have all of you around me, making editing and being on chat a lot more enjoyable. I would also like to use this opportunity to wish a happy and healthy new year for you and everyone around you, with perseverance in tough times, but most of all, with wonderful moments among enjoyable friends and family. Merry Christmas, and a very happy new year in which all your wishes may come true! - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 17:52, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
Magazines and clips Edit
I googled magazine vs clip and found that your word change in the FN FAL HPFA article was correct. Good work. A bit later I found that apparently the info box template for FO1, FO2 and FOT ammunition types has the field "magazine size" that refers to the number of rounds in one unit of ammunition (when sold or picked up, for instance).
This is incorrect, now is it not? The magazine is the often detachable part of a firearm that is fed bullets. A clip is a single unit of several rounds of ammunition, which can be fed into a magazine. It appears to me that the ammunition infobox template should be edited to replace the word magazine with the word clip.
Mara, is there a way to wake Richie up, I should let him know if this happens again, which it did. Otherwise, could you pop in the chat for a moment? Thanks. --吉野Cassie Tell me a story! ✿ 09:14, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
Winner Friday (II) picture Helena Week 65Edit
When you get a chance... Edit
- Started a new table. If you get the chance, take a look at User:The_Gunny/sandbox#Weapon_types and see if anything is out of place or missing so far. Only firearms listed (less shotgats and bullithoses), more to go. 20:14, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Community Central Edit
One for the record Edit
I believe you're keeping track of these? 22:10, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
Reverted Fighter Jet Edit ??? Edit
why did you revert my edit for the fighter jet, i was adding information on the variant ... "The fighter jet strongly resembles the F-80 Shooting Star and its variants, manufactured by Lockheed Martin. However, the real-world aircraft's wings did not fold." (which is correct) i simply added "The fighter jet may be based on the prototype aircraft carrier version of the F-80c, known as the TO-1/TV-1." which would make sense, so i would like some clarification please--EnclaveWerewolf (talk) 05:32, April 2, 2015 (UTC)
Scanning an image (ie- Copying it) doesn't have any effect on the copyright. It still belongs to whoever owns the actual rights on the image.
The person who scans it has no copyright on the scan.
If in scanning there was transformative enough to make it a "new work", then the person doing the change might have copyrights over that new work, but only if the originator has given the person making those changes permission.
Based on the information you've given, my certanly-not-legal-advice position would be the scanner has no legal rights here. As a courtesy I would say that its "good manners" to credit person scanning it, but they can be miffed all they like, they're not the author.
I'm confused by the reference to Creative Commons in the title... Do Atlas release their images under CC? If not, then Creative Commons does not apply (unless its a "new work" thats been authorised as above). Agent c (talk) 20:24, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
No, posting them on Community Central doesn't make them creative commons. There's no need to delete them if the person who scanned them objects (but I would suggest its probably the nice thing as you suggest). I would instead be looking to see if either the copyright holder approved or if there is a fair use excemption. Agent c (talk) 21:17, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
Hello, you left a message on my page regarding how I was changing the spellings to Proper English (as we call it here in the UK), but some of the words were in fact spelt incorrectly like for instance, the word "dialogue" was spelt as "dialog", which I may be wrong about, but if my computer puts a red line underneath the word, I just have to "correct" it. Sorry, again, I didn't know this had to be in American English. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Sincerely EvilKid851212 (talk) 15:20, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
Addictions in the Gamebryo Fallouts Edit
What I was thinking of on the Alcohol addiction's page is, it pretty much looks like the description for all other addictions in Fallout 3 and New Vegas, little to no creative personality. The first games add a little fun to it by adding the alcoholic has "many problems with their drinking habits". --Breakin'Benny (talk) 11:04, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
- However, I admit most of the addictions are bland anyway…
Wait-wait-wait-wait-WAIT...! If it's irrelevant, then why is even the mention of the book being in New Vegas in the notes section to begin with? I thought that notes were meant to be winks, nods, and acknowledged references. If not that, what do we add? --18.104.22.168 23:38, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
- (Response to your response):...Yes, and while the former is taboo speculation, why leave out the specifics for the item itself in the latter? --22.214.171.124 00:14, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
Magna Carta Edit
- I recall it being called the Magna Carta when I learned about it. However, I've seen it multiple ways, and even what I've been able to turn up is sometimes contradictory http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/magna_carta/, however for the most part all agree that it's Magna Carta, not The magna carta. Richie9999 (talk) 05:21, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
SOLE SURVIVOR PAGE Hi, I see you reverted the Sole Survivor page back to the version that suggested the canonical name of the Fallout 4 protagonist is "Howard" or "Nora". This is clearly incorrect information. Why did you revert it?--Weigand (talk) 09:30, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
That's a better reason than the one I thought you were going to use, but it's still flawed. As long as it's not in your policy and up for review, it's available for change. — A (t • c) 02:09, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Regrading FO NV Nuka Cola page Edit
Regarding your edit in response to my edit concerning Nuka-Cola (Fallout: New Vegas), can you produce the articles in question? I am hearing Fizzing while consuming Nuka-Cola in game.
Chat is considered to be part of the wiki for the purposes of that rule - it helps actually ensure that the chat rules are enforceable. The "Golden Rule" of legislative interpretation tells us we should read absurdities out of the rule, and having a hole like chat as not being "part of the wiki" would be such an absurdity...
As a case study of why you can't just read it literally, take the chat rules:
..Where a particular subject appears to be causing distress, offense, or is otherwise disrupting the ability for others to enjoy chat, a moderator at their discretion may direct that a conversation either be closed or moved into private chat. This may be done either by request to a mod, or by the mod's own initiative, when those factors are present.”
"Moderator" is a specific position - Chat Mod + Partroller, and not admin, nor Bureaucrat. Can only "Moderators" invoke rule 9?
This one is perhaps more fun:
Administrators and chat moderators use their discretion when applying these rules, and understanding of the rules depends on the moderator's perception of the rules.”
So an Administrator, and a Chat Moderator have discretion on how to apply the rule (but not "moderators")... But they have to rely on a Moderator's Perception of the rule? Bureaucrats apparently have no discretion at all, but who's perception do they use?
Moderators are reminded that they have the freedom to deal with situations with a less firm hand if required...”
But only Moderators? Do Chat Mods and Admins (and Bureaucrats who have no discretion at all) have to deal with everything "by the book?
The reason I keep editing the unarmed damage page is because it is wrong. I have been playing the game for a long time now and I only play unarmed. The damage output for just using your fists in fallout new vegas gets much higher than a max of 5 which is what the wiki currently states. Even the guid book says that it is 1/4 of the unarmed skill, and as for the strength adding into damage, the only game it hasn't done that on is 3. I will find more info to prove what I am saying, but I will change it back, until it stays that way. Read the comments on the page, there are other people who have already disproved it, and whoever made it how it is in the first place basically said oh well ive never played the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killroy898 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
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Unarmed Damage Again Edit
Ok so what if I show you with a video, the actual damage output with no perks or traits aside from living anatomy, so that you can see the damage numbers. It isnt geck, but it is undeniable proof that the current statement is incorrect. 07:54, September 27, 2015 (UTC)Killroy898
- I'm not sure if NV will run on this box, but I'll see what I can do. If not, I'll have to wait until I feel like firing it up on my gaming rig later. 23:40, September 27, 2015 (UTC)
Ugh, a generic message that Skynet is AI and does AI things is more notable, than direct similarities with Terminator's Skynet - especially that its real reason is to take control over the Earth and terminate all non-submitting lifeforms. But no, its just "a generic AI for scientific tasks". Riiiight. 126.96.36.199 19:23, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, a line that is clearly specific to the Skynet in Fallout is more notable than a line uttered by generic robots/ai in other media. Now keep your sarcasm the fuck off of my talkpage. Great Mara (talk) 19:25, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
As far as I know, Merriam Webster only acknowledges the popularity of using "comprise" in that way, without explicitly stating that such usage is incorrect (because it is not). Also, to quote them, "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up." It is also worth pointing out that Merriam Webster is not a recognised authority here on the wiki and the Wikipedia MoS is silent on the issue... --Skire (talk) 03:42, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
- I don't believe so, no. We don't have our equivalent of say, the French Academy (the central authority on the French language). Merriam Webster is just a company that publishes dictionaries, etc. and not an American English authority or style guide. Like their British English counterparts, these dictionaries simply record trends in usage instead of prescribing them. Is "comprised of" a common usage in American English? Absolutely. Is it appropriate for a site that claims its articles are of encyclopaedic standard? I would argue no. --Skire (talk) 23:34, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
Head of state: Edit conflict Edit
Create a table outside the infobox, in the article I think. Jspoel 19:33, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
Fallout 4 Submachinegun Edit Edit
Thank you for your message, I have indeed previously read the wiki policy and guidelines but I wasn't aware that I needed official developer feedback for that type of information. --GamingAddict (talk) 00:52, November 20, 2015 (UTC)