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Re:Randomised Edit

Oops, I didn't see that. I only meant the T-51 wasn't randomised. Let me know of your findings. ----Skire (talk) 01:59, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

What an unfortunate coincidence... my PS3 is broken and I sent it in for repairs (should be back in around a week). Perhaps we could get J to check it? --Skire (talk) 18:31, May 29, 2012 (UTC)


I'm pretty much done with it. I (or others) may come up with a few extra's once the forum thread is set up. You can go ahead with that now. You can copy the items from my sandbox (without the numbers I think) to it and make it admin/mod/patrol only. Don't make it a vote, just that people can add comments. Then after enough input Clyde and me can determine the final list. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:31, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Good enough for me. I'll wait for a bit more then, no problem. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:30, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

NUN Edit

Hi Leon, thanks for signing up to the NUN.

Was wondering if you may be able to help the project with the NUN welcome message. I'm looking for a couple of templates, one a generic welcome that asks basically what time zone are you in, what time are you likely to be on, what games you like and if you have any special interests to help pair someone, and one to follow that which links to the mentor once they've been paired. Agent c 19:56, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Notable loot pageEdit

I changed my mind about who letting in on the forum thread. Let all have their say, I have a feeling Clyde won't agree with it anyway. And I don't want the attention diverged away from the subject; people would likely comment more on why they are excluded than on the issue itself with a chance of another disruption. I've had enough of that. We'll manage I think. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 11:17, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

We can see how the forum thread turn out. I'm not sure a vote is even needed, when there a just a few serious additions and otherwise a general agreement on things, this might do. Also like to hear Clyde's opinion. And are you still up? It must be 6 o'clock in the morning where you're living now. Get some sleep! Jspoel Speech Jspoel 11:25, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
I guess you can get away with a night without sleep when you're 20 :) I removed your admin/mod vote only part again. Like I figured, it causes too much controversy. First the debate, then we'll see how to progress. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:47, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
No, no constructive input yet. Well, maybe we can wrap it up soon then. I'll take another look at the consumables now, I may have some additions yet. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:41, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Help Setting Up Blog Edit

Hey Garoux, Agent C mentioned you might be able to help me with setting up or at least give pointers on setting the pictures, I'll be placing into a neat format? Any tips or hints with it would be great, and I myself will be most thankful.


Also secretly trying to develop the same text-based OS system the Fallout universe uses. Any ideas?.. >_>

I am Legacy Tech. 21:01, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Debate Edit

No problem, Leon. I hope my words were considered somewhat constructive, as I expressed my approval of the list as it is. When the discussion is closed and we move on to the vote, there should be more good input. I've also noticed that almost all the posts there do not focus on the actual matter and are actually quite vapid. Unless there is clear opposition we should be able to move on to the next step soon. And finally, I think you're right - the Yessie/Cartman thing and events preceding it has really made any policy changes look outright "bad" for many users, despite not really understanding why. --Skire (talk) 21:16, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Related Videos Edit

Not looking good it seems. Sarahs' reponse and now looking at it live on the HP wiki... Maybe this feature could work, but it would require days of video content to be created before we could even think about accepting it - and for most of our pages we simply aren't going to be able to do that without changing our guidelines...
Why am I saying this to you... preaching to the converted... Talk to you when I get home in an hour or so about the forum thing cos I really don't understand what you're trying to achieve. Agent c 21:40, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Divide Edit

I have no clue how I missed that. I guess I just skimmed over it and thought it was part of Chad's XD I feel like such a derp. Anyways, the Divide is now up and running. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 08:55, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


I need a little break. In half an hour so would be ok. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:05, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Apologizes Edit

If the ban is down then I have to confess....I was achievement boosting(got 2) but I was mainly trying to get 100 edits by the end of May since I joined the 1st(thought I'd make an accomplishment) and now I realizing that it was pointless. I don't plan on doing it again... --The Nuclear King 19:30, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

D.C. Journal of Internal Medicine Edit

How a common, published pre-War book made its way across a technologically developed country in a non-apocalyptic world is unknown. It is possible that it was published and made its way across a technologically developed country in a non-apocalyptic world.
Now I know why you hate speculation XD! --Skire (talk) 19:58, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

How have you not tried to interview ZAX yet? ;) --Skire (talk) 20:36, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
How about Tagaziel or GhostAvatar? --Skire (talk) 20:53, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Insult Edit

You were trying to excuse yourself with an inane argument. Now you're completely ignoring my point and threatening me with a ban. What kind of attitude is this? No remorse for saying some crap, instead you're trying to be aggressive here. And you're an admin, an authority person here. Surprising to me. -- 07:07, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Interview Edit

Not at all. Shoot. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:26, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Of course, mate! It'd be an honour! How are we gonna do it? --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 03:12, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Mitchell's house. Edit

I'm going to disagree with you on your edit to Mitchell's house. While those may not qualify as notable loot in many cases, that house serves as a starting beacon for the Courier, new players will find all of that loot extremely valuable.--Bunny2Bubble 00:04, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man, really means a lot that you enjoyed it. I purely understand why it must be removed. Is there a place where it can go though?

PxMANx01 00:13, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever, it was hopeless endeavor anyway. I guess the new order here is now to remove all content. Great. I'm getting really sick of all this. --Bunny2Bubble 00:38, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Both, Leon. If we were to use the criteria of just listing skill magazines when they are of the same skill and on top of that also in the same location, than we would end up with virtually nothing. So when there are a lot of magazines of different skills in the same location, I want them to be listed. Like on House Resort and on Vault 3 at the top of my head. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:48, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Goodsprings is known for having plenty of skill magazines, not to mention that it's the only starting place in the game. It is not "personal insight". Furthermore, the page has no other notable loot listed anymore (you removed it all) and so this one magazine will not hurt. It will not inspire others to do the same for other locations either, unless the same criteria applies (i.e. large quantity for the location). --Skire (talk) 00:52, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

It stems far beyond the notable loot as well. Every time an anon or a minor user, (The people who usually play the game quite often) try to add a note, it gets removed. Mind you, sometimes they are good notes, they get removed anyway. I remember this time last year the focus was on, how can we add more content?, not, how can we remove more?. I see this not as an issue of being "Lax", but an issue of doing our job, creating as Jspoel calls it, The best wiki around!. I say my efforts are futile because they are. I have no authority, I can only do as I do now and express my opinion on a talk page, but, I can't do anything about it. I don't know what I should do now. I don't even if I'll edit. There really is not point anymore. I don't like removing information, so, it looks like I don't have a place here anymore. I'll just say this all now. This split didn't have to change us, but unfortunately, it did.--Bunny2Bubble 00:59, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Even if most of them are randomised, there is a far-above-average randomisation in the area. But anyway, they should at least all be listed on the main Goodsprings page. Once there, I am fine with it being removed on the Mitchell house page. --Skire (talk) 01:04, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

If it concerns my favorite website, I will be melodramatic if I have to. Sure, the policies have changed, but how they enforced sure has. You seem to be the only one leading this boat towards the seas of no notable loot. I can not grasp what the problem is with listing items at a location. It's helpful, it lets people know what's there. I find it quite funny that the guy who is "all about following the rules to a T" is the one who often breaks the rules on blocks and protections. You act like the notable loot is de-standardizing this place or something. Honestly, I think that's the least of my worries. I was quite upset to see just a whole page's notable loot to be removed, this is where I say enough is enough.--Bunny2Bubble 01:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

We aren't discussing Gothemasticator or Limmiegirl, or any other user for that matter, we're discussing you at the moment. As a matter of fact, I'm having a fine day, that doesn't necessarily have to correlate with matters on this website. I'm not going to not "Cause a scene" or "Sever ties" so to speak when there's something that concerns me at hand. No, it's not to my satisfaction. As far as Jspoel being a mediator, I don't know how well that will work. Honestly, you are really the only editor who makes it a point to remove the information. I could understand if an anon added a .32 caliber pistol to a page now and you removed it. When there's a laser pistol and a doctor's bag in Doc Mitchell's house, (which isn't in front of your face mind you) that should stand. It's not harming anything, it's been there for quite a long time. I think the saying should be followed, If something isn't broke, don't fix it.--Bunny2Bubble 01:30, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
If I admit one fault on my part, I will say that I missed those important items in Doc Mitchell's house. I remember coming on as an anon and seeing those things on this article if I recall correctly. Perhaps adding a little more bias on my issue. With that mentality however, why have a Wiki. Everything in our articles is in game correct? So then, why describe them? That's what I'm seeing. We put them in the articles because they are present in the game. We don't take things out just because it's easy for the readers to find. I don't know if you look at our traffic numbers, I haven't looked lately, but last time, we're looking at 500,000 users visiting this website per day for help. Perhaps they were like me, missing all of that loot. It's there for help, are we to start sacrificing the quality of our website over these policies? I don't want it like that. As for what I said about Jspoel, he is a great editor, (Not to say that you are a bad one), he adds a lot of info. So to have someone like him defend all of this removal, may not be the best choice. There a plethora of other users to mediate as well.--Bunny2Bubble 01:44, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
I promised my sister I would take her to the mall. So I'll be back in a little bit. Just so you don't grow wary waiting for a response.--Bunny2Bubble 01:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Doctor MitchellEdit

Hola amigo!
I log in and notice Doc Mitchell has stirred quite a bit of controversy. That's ol' mole-butt for ya. Anyway, if I were to give my two cents on the matter, I personally believe that the Notable Loot deserves to stay. Reasons being:

  • This is the first location of the game. A doctor's bag and laser pistol, by this point in the game, are fairly worthwhile considering you have nothing to begin with.
  • People searching this Wiki for information when they start the game would be interested to know that there is in fact a weapon and useful healing item readily available.

Remember, this Wiki exists first and foremost for the people playing the game! They come here to find help and tips, and I would cite a laser pistol and doctor's bag as pretty helpful at the start of the game. Well, that's what I think anyway. Hope this issue is resolved real quick! Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 04:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

lmao, that is a good point actually. Carry on Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 04:39, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

So Hardcore Edit

WBL, you are so hardcore with that navbox bruh ;) Detroit lions "Hawk da Barber 2012" 07:12, June 5, 2012 (UTC)


Here's your image. I reverted you talkpage format. I can't even properly send a mail to you, it's all black. When you're close to leaving (30th), then you can make it something like Porter has or like you have now, but the option of sending a mail should be at least visible. Till then people should be able to reach you as an admin. Added a table of skill magazines to Goodsprings. I'll get back to you on NL later on. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:46, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I missed you. Edit

I didn't see your message in time. I was away learning how to make backgrounds transparent on some icons I had to make for the template I'm working on. Two things I want to clear up. One, I'm not saying there isn't a guideline in place for notable loot. There is, with a link to the list from the guideline page. All I'm saying is it's not a capital P policy, and therefore has more flexibility.

Second, as for your suggestion, I believe you were being facetious, but I'll still give you my take on the issue: I'm all for including as much content as we can. I don't feel that I can say what info other people are looking for when they come here. I'm just not going to make a qualitative judgement like that on other folks' needs. So I will error on the side of caution and include as much as space, time and effort seems plausible. To me, it's not so much an issue of "what" we should include, but "how" we can include it that makes sense and who is willing to do the work. On my list of long term plans, among other things like quest flow charts and dialog trees, is to play around with collapsible tables for locations that would include container contents, both fixed and random. The random containers would have the percent chance of item spawn, calculated from the GECK entries. Tables like that will take up almost no space, and will not take away from the esthetics of the page. If I feel up to the task of adding that information, can add it in a way that does not negatively impact the page presentation, and make the effort to add it, is there any reasonable reason why it should not be done?

Taking an attitude where we decide for other users what they should and should not be looking for is bad business, any way you slice it. I'm here to add to the wiki, include as much information as possible, make it easy to use and make sure that people that come here enjoy their experience and want to come back. I can't state it any simpler than that. I personally see that as all of "our" jobs. If we all don't have that attitude, we stand no chance to keep Nukapedia's position among other wikis. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 20:22, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

I do believe I understand what you're saying. Your position is it's gotta be either black, or white. We used to have a saying in the Corps, "Semper Gumby". It means always flexible. Try as you might, you can never plan for or make rules for all possible circumstances. That's where the leadership trait "Judgement" comes in: "The ability to weigh facts and possible solutions on which to base sound decisions." The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 21:13, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Notable lootEdit

I've checked that forum thread you were talking about and I remember that one. I'm 95% sure there was no vote and it faded into background, never heard of it again until now. I think no one was willing to really do the work. Now I for example made that notable loot list checking the GECK and that was very tedious I can tell you. But I felt I had to go through it as we can benefit from it now and in the future. I came up with a pretty good list I think, people haven been able to comment (which not many did) and adding it to the Notable Loot Help page now is justified I feel. Ok, we may not have a clear policy on NL, but the location policy page refers to the NL help page as the criteria. That's good enough in my opinion. Just read your post above from Gunny, we can't really make this a black or white issue. It has to be somewhere inbetween. I think with my list added, the NL help page will be pretty good in all, but even then we can make some exceptions here and there. That has to be looked at on every separate location page. When I remember me browsing through location pages, the NL sections are pretty good at this point, with not too many cluttering. I feel you're a bit too much on a crusade on certain issues and I'd like to see you loosen the rope somewhat. So let's add my suggested content to the NL page (first let's hear Clyde). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 22:08, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

NUN Edit

Hey Leon I know you've not been in it long, and are about to leave us for a while, but thanks for being involved in the NUN. I've done the first of what I hope will be eventually many mentor updates on the project talk I'd appreciate any insights you may have. Agent c 21:52, June 6, 2012 (UTC)


Woah, Gary. Your templates are a bit hard to read what with the blue, red and black. I'm assuming this is a mistake right? Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 08:07, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Does it have anything to do with that Talk Bubble template you ported over from the Final Fantasy Wiki recently, perhaps? Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 08:15, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ohhh.... I'm assuming you've seen this then :) Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 08:24, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, since you asked...

  • #B0C4DE for the background
  • #000000 for the text
  • #48D1CC for the highlight

It's a bit plain, but that's what I like about it :D Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 08:36, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


I've uploaded your image. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 11:11, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

And your signature. Was a bit difficult due the to small size. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 11:41, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
If you say so. But the in-game spelling is duffle bag, so we're gonna use that. Otherwise there will be only confusion. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 22:47, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
Which ones? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 22:50, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Marie Edit

Alright, I just assumed it was a developer oversight. That perk never appealed to me so I never really tried it out.--Bunny2Bubble 02:19, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


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Moose Mk. II. Edit

Done, Leon! ;-) Cheers, mate! --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 07:02, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

What do you need?

--Stars and Stripes Forever 03:41, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Defender JacksonEdit

That user is more trouble than he's worth. He doesn't want to join the NUN, he's insulted admins several times and just proves to be a nuisance... honestly, he hasn't even said a word to me and he's pissed me off by his attitude. I'd consider more sever punishment, because a rudimentary ban isn't going to knock any sense into him. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 04:41, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 04:48, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Also, troll. Supposedly they enjoy sucking penis and rough anal sex... or so their edits dictate. Wow, it's been a long time since I've reported vandals like this... Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 05:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

You can be the cowboy. Who let them on that ship? Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 05:03, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well, frankly, that's the most realistic representation of what goes on in the Navy that I could find. That... is how the Navy operates, right? The Village People wouldn't lie to me would they? Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 05:06, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, trust me... You haven't even begun to hear that song. We used to troll each other on the ship with it. Except for Ellis, he got "It's Raining Men", but that's another story... UserGreatMaraMessage 05:10, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Giggity. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 05:11, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I was going to go in as a Nuke but didn't make it through the program because they moved so fast. Eneded up being undesignated for 2 years and then tested into the OS rate. UserGreatMaraMessage 05:17, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Zizi Edit

I'm still not sure of his motives. He corrected a spelling error, a typical troll won't do that. I'll take further action after he replies to me. Thanks.--Bunny2Bubble 19:28, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


Isn't there an option during installation to the change the path? I thought there was. But why do you want it elsewhere than in the Fallout game folder? It's where it's supposed to be to get easy access the the bsa files. Otherwise maybe move the files manually to another map after installation.. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:42, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Would it help if I mailed you that libvorbisfile? Just checked, I have 2 in the New Vegas map, libvorbis.dll and libvorbisfile.dll. Maybe it accepts then. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
I've sent them. Btw, there's still your File:Dragon Leon.png I made transparent. Are you going to use it? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:24, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Just sent all relevant (?) New Vegas files to your mailadres (about 4Mb). You need to have the game's bsa files of course to read the data. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 21:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Conventions Edit

We have conventions for usage of terms. On weapons pages, there are "unique" and "common" variants. This is what's been used, and what I will be changing anything to that does not fit those conventions. It's a case of consistency. Regardless of how many vendors sell a weapon, it falls into one of two classes, as identified by the naming in the GECK. "Uniques" are clearly named unique and common variants given a more mundane name. I'd rather not start throwing around other words to define these classes of weapons. We already have common and unique. We don't need to confuse the issue with other definitions. Please change the wording back to common for consistency's sake. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 03:27, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Base is used to refer to a non modded weapon, as in base weapon -> modded weapon. Rarity of items goes Unique->Rare->Uncommon->Common. Since i really don't want to get into some silly discussion over the exact delineation of what's unique, rare or common, like you did with the loot, as i spelled out, common and unique are the words I use and will continue to use. You can leave the page however you want, I simply tried to resolve an editing dispute using a bit of both of the editor's ideas, with a mash of what we've already been doing, but if you really feel the need to do something esle, then be my guest. I plan on a major rewrite of the characterists secions of weapons in the future anyways. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 03:53, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the laugh to start my day off. Sometimes you really crack me up.:) The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 10:14, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Vault-Tec Headquarters Edit

May I ask your opinion on something? I reverted an edit to the Vault-Tec Industries page, because the image really didn't seem like it should be on the corporation page to me, but he added it in again: here. What do you think? Paladin117>>iff bored; 04:47, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I thought, I just wanted to double check after what happened yesterday. Thanks. Paladin117>>iff bored; 05:04, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Edit

You're not in my "chain of command". We hold the same "rank". And, while I think the template is gaudy, the only problem I have with it itself is I don't like how it looks on talk pages. That's not what I asked Js about. I asked him about your rule that only you can use it, and how that meshes with CC:BY:SA. I wondered if that was legit. I decided not to ask you directly so as not to cause any more talk page angst. I figured he could ask you, rather than me, in an effort to not risk stirring up any problems. I see that it was unavoidable. Perhaps you would like to answer the question directly, then? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 00:44, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Question for brother Blood Edit

Why is the Vault tec headquarters page locked ?

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 04:25, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Will this due.. It was a hard shot to get ~ VT View.jpg

Please advise CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 08:54, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

May I post it ? CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 09:13, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Is the page still locked ? CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 09:38, June 13, 2012 (UTC) is still locked out... Are we talking about the same page ? CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 09:46, June 13, 2012 (UTC)


Oh, shush, you. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"


ED-E Lonesome RoadEdit

You really should send that message to my mentee. He's the one who added it to ED-E... Guess he didn't know it was the Lonesome Road ED-E eh? All I did was move it to the correct page. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 12:01, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ask Marcus Edit

Hey Leon it's Kiwi, just letting and it wasn't a random anon on my page :') 18:42, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Troll Edit

I had the feeling he was. Either way I redirected him to the patroller who removed his entry in the first place. Feel free to ban him whenever you feel like it's enough. You never know, with these people... --Skire (talk) 19:45, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

It has been a while. Has this expired ? Edit

I am sure you recall your Infobox Challenge. I have not seen any thing from Doc in a while. Is the token for Major Tom still on the table ?

  • Yes I am vein ~;p But most of all I ask because I still hold the hope against all hope that "maybe" some day a Fallout game designer will see some bit about Major Tom and actually make him playable for us all. I would give them the idea free and clear. I just want my space monkey to fly!
  • So that is it, not so much about me but most about Major Tom as a dream for us all.

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 06:45, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry you totally misunderstood. I am sure it is my fault.

  • It never even accrued to me that anyone was taking any kind of advantage of me Brother. I swear.
  • I was just looking forward to the icon thing that was to go with coming in first on that challenge. Like I said not because I need my horn blown but because I know Fallout designers must at least skim this site as this wiki is the best fan

base they could hope for. I thought the icon or what ever might just help draw attention to Major Tom.

Again I am sorry for the confusion. I am sure it was my fault.

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 06:59, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Brother ~ I will make us all look good and maybe we will all get a space monkey.

Now as to saving face. I would like to edit my own talk page. Just to clean house. appropriate attention as been read & noted with replies to all concerned.

  • Now I would just like to clean up my own talk page.

You may also feel free to delete this whole topic. We booth now understand it was just a silly communication.

*No need to reply as I will be cleaning up some old clutter and resolved issues on my page.

Sincerely your friend

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 07:14, June 17, 2012 (UTC)


Personally, I don't see the issue with creating pages or the need to limit the amount. We have over 15000 after all. For instance, if someone wanted to look up why Hoover Dam is named Hoover Dam, then I've added some brief, but well made pages so that they can get that little bit of history that they are after here, rather than having to search Wikipedia or the like. If they want it more in-depth there is a wikipedia page. It's not as though the pages I've made or will make are scruffy, abandoned, have things missing or are even stubs - they are good pages. Therefore, I see no issue in having the little bit history on this site, especially when what they want can be found in a line or two here rather than trawling the massive entries in Wikipedia. Next up, I personally hate the long pages with lots of smaller pages on them. I think they look unsightly and untidy - especially when we might as well just have a page for them. There's no point in making the wiki smaller, it should be as big as it cn be in my opinion. -- GOTW User | Talk 11:33, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Good I'm glad you agree. And credit me with some intelligence, I know that the USSR shouldn't be on here, and the half-life of radiation depends on the atomic isotope, but yeah, I won't do that either - it's not history ;) -- GOTW User | Talk 13:08, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

History project Edit

It's up and running. Participation and page improvement suggestions are welcomed ;). Also, I don't suppose you fancy being like a second port-of-call if I can't make a decision on a case do you? You seemed very into what should be in and not ;) -- GOTW User | Talk 23:11, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Leon. So I heard you will be officially "slipping into inactivity soon". I can't say I like that, but what needs to be needs to be done eh? ;) It's been good having you here. I know we've interacted quite a bit since day one and I'll certainly miss you =) Hopefully you can come back and visit once in awhile when real-life duties aren't so strenuous. In case I forget a farewell later, I wish you the best in your endeavours. Bonne chance! --Skire (talk) 18:30, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Leon, didn't know you were a girl... ^ ;). It's a shame to hear, but good luck with your life plan. At least you'll be inactive not gone, so I'm sure I will see you around this little slice of the internet ;) Remember, have fun! -- GOTW User | Talk 22:12, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sticky thing Edit

Hi I've been working on your sticky killing thing, so far I have 10 clips I put most of them together here I have them all as individual files, but put them into that big one to show you what's been done so far. The longest one I made as a separate thing... I haven't edited anything together from Fallout 3/NV before so this is quite the challenge, but all the Fallout 3 clips are done. I just need to move onto Vegas.

I don't know when all this has to be done by, however, I forgot to ask. But it should be tomorrow, sorry I couldn't do much sooner, but things haven't exactly gone to plan. Nothing major, but it's more a two steps forward one step back problem. (crashes and whatnot) :)

If you have an concerns or suggestions or any updates please share them on my talk page.


(Psychomantis108 21:37, June 18, 2012 (UTC))

I was hoping to have it over with, by tonight and I'll get my old Abe Character back and have another go. I agree with that, Abe's front isn't shown so you cannot see his awesome beard :)

Anyway I'm hoping to do all the NV ones tonight, considering I got 10 done last night I think it should (if nothing goes wrong) be done late tonight. But, I'll probably have to look over some things so I'd say 2 days is the safest to assume.

(Psychomantis108 10:02, June 19, 2012 (UTC))


Hey there. I'm fairly new to this whole wiki thing, tho I know FNV very well. I have made a number of edits without problem. I recently made an edit to the Camp Golf page, and I really can't understand why it was reverted. I'm asking because I want my edits to be useful. I don't want to break any rules, but this is beyond me. In what universe are empty sunset sarsaparella bottles notable loot, and skill mags/recon armor/multiple chems not? You can't even use the bottles without add-ons, and they are worth next to nothing. And why are skill mags listed in the house resort? There are just as many (10 when I checked) in the camp itself. After you removed my edit I removed the skill mags in the house resort also. Apparently they are notable loot lol

Yours, confused.


I answered this. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 22:10, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Photoshop Project Edit

Hallo Leon! Some months back, I know you mentioned a Photoshop project that I could help with, and I haven't seen any more information since I responded; is the project still needed? If so, I'd still love to help!

Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 15:21, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

No worries; sorry to hear about the Moose. I will gladly help on the occasion of your triumphant return.
Oh crap, I completely forgot about that! I'll contact SaintPain immediately.
Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 15:33, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, brilliant! When you know who's taking over, you can offer my services to them. Thanks to summer free (well, more free, anyway) time, I'm open to paid photoshop commissions, which should enable me to produce any number of images!
Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 15:53, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
PS: Of course, the "paid" part wouldn't apply to what you're looking for now / would be looking for when you return; I committed to that long ago.

Moose Edit

Hi Leon, Need to catch up with you re the Moose. I've held back from doing an update as I get the impression you're preparing something big. When its ready to go, I have a new aces' theatre from OldWorldRelics, and I think the start of Legacy's series is close being at a stage where we can premiere it. Agent c 15:30, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Aces' is ready to drop on your say so. Legacy just needs a bit with formatting I think... Might be best if we both try and catch him in chat. Agent c 15:51, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I was also planning to have Yessie do a "Ask Harry" filler whilst Kiwi (and thus Marcus) are away. Yessie was hoping we could get permission to have him setup a "Harry" account and answer questions from that. Sound good? Agent c 02:06, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
Can you check in with Frankie, he has a new blog he's looking for a mention of in the Moose, it looks quite good... Agent c 23:58, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sticky update Edit

Hi, thought I'd update on the Sticky front.

All the shots have been recorded and are currently being processed and I hope they are done tomorrow when I get home. I've changed the Lincoln method so that it happens on the memorial steps now and has a sort of vengeful stare of Lincoln after Sticky gets wasted. :)

I've done most of the suggestions, however, some unfortunately didn't make the final cut due to difficulty. I had problems spawning Vertibirds as they ended up as static objects and wouldn't fall. I also changed the "wrong place at the wrong time" and placed him on the highway trousers nuke strike as the crawler glitched up a number of times.

Anyway as I said I hope to have them all processed by tomorrow afternoon in my timezone, I don't know how you want to share them though.


(The Hanged Man - Spirit of a grave robber 21:11, June 20, 2012 (UTC))

Stay where you are M8 Edit

?? What is this ??

" I will be putting the Moose up for grabs. I'm sure whoever takes over would love to have your skills available. :) Skål! 15:36, June 20, 2012 (UTC)"make that

  • I DO NOT WANT THE JOB. Just thought I'd make that point clear.

I was on Doc's talk & I noticed your message as posted above. Dude, we need folks like you who really care. I don't know the details of your hopefully passing thought that you might leave us but most of all I selfishly hope you stay and continue to try keeping us active & harmonious between games.

  • You should be recognized beyond the rank you have earned. I salute you as a respectable "Member". You are active & engage us to do the same.

*Please Stay ?

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 00:19, June 21, 2012 (UTC)


I was blocked by you because of some information I added to wikia. It was about vault 8 computer - medical archives.

It was not wrong information. I signed up just to say this.

Symbol Edit

I've been meaning to ask, what is that little symbol thats in your signature; it looks familiar. --The Nuclear King 02:28, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

trying to help my concrete treehouse edit was fine drag king


I'm not entirely sure he created that image himself by making a screenshot of ED-E LR in-game. Some of his images (like the Amata and James ones I removed/overwrote today) I've seen here before and got overwritten or removed by me or Avatar in the past. That ED-E image could also be a promotional or pre-release shot or something. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:54, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Bugs...under my skin Edit

Lol I know the feeling. The Bugs sections is probably the most messy of all, as it's usually added on by anons as you know.--Bunny2Bubble 22:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Forgotten names of despair... in the Moose. Edit

Hi there, Leon, my man! How's things, mate? Well, I'm here to talk to you about that old suggestion of a fan-fic story series made by me that would be in the Moose. Do you remember? If so, I've finally finished it. Take a look and see if you like, and if it should be added to the SNM (which is great in this edition, btw).
Laters, mate! --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 22:51, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, man, I suck at templates; always fuck something up... XD I'd appreciate if you could create one. ;-)
Thanks, my friend! --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 23:05, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
Leon... er... the template. hahaha --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 03:37, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Aqua Pura Edit

While I don't agree with the capitalisation, I'm fine with it staying. However, I'm not sure why you deleted the original Aqua pura when most links still lead to that. I have now restored it and will delete it again when the links are changed. --Skire (talk) 22:57, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Danny: The capitalization is correct if you would refer to the picture, the "P" is clearly capitalized.:P--Bunny2Bubble 22:59, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem. It was just a friendly notice. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about the capitalisation, as the bottle's capitalisation is acceptable for me. You know, Leon, I never understood why this wiki gave so many shits about capitalisation - we even have 2 freaking projects set up for it. I know there's a matter of consistency, but really? Anyway, see you around. I guess you haven't left yet eh? Congrats on 8,000 =) --Skire (talk) 23:47, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

That's interesting, considering you pretty much spearhead the removal of loot here. For what? Not consistency? Oh well, I wish you luck when you choose to leave. But this place will draw you back soon, I know it ;) --Skire (talk) 23:59, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not really trying to make a point. And going off on tangents is what I do! It's just some friendly chatter on a Sunday evening, if you mind. But anyhow, I always thought you did it for a matter of consistency and so I was surprised to hear that wasn't the case. The only reason why I do many things is consistency, so kind of love the word XD Anyway, see you around! --Skire (talk) 00:09, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it's interesting to see, but I think I get you (most of the time) =) --Skire (talk) 00:16, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Patron Edit

Sure, I know you need them and it would be fun:)--Bunny2Bubble 23:00, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure Rob will see the best in it:) Is someone else taking over when you leave?--Bunny2Bubble 23:08, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the one I made from last time you asked:)

The SNM Serenader

}}}} --Bunny2Bubble 03:53, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Any chance you could add that on? My Karaoke renditions are few and far between.--Bunny2Bubble 03:58, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, thanks Leon, I'm sure I will!--Bunny2Bubble 04:05, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


Is this for my polls, the rumoured "Ask Harry" series, or something else entirely? Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 05:37, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

My Template for the MooseEdit

Here's the template, Leon. Anything lacking, just let me know. ;-) Cheers, --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 08:01, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Heartless Frankie


Yes I have been meaning to get back to you.

All the footage is done, processing has been the last heardal and I've fell and smacked my nose on it a few times. Processing either crashes or takes hours, so I'm going to have another shot at it tonight. Hopefully it will be done then, I was also wondering how you wanted to collect the project.


(The Hanged Man - Spirit of a grave robber 08:20, June 25, 2012 (UTC))

Re:History Edit

No, it's all from Wikipedia and I attributed it in the edit summary. The file itself is also from Wikipedia. --Skire (talk) 14:18, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

So it's really because you don't "feel good" just copying their information? =P Let me try to reword a bit then. As you can see, I did more of that towards the end of the background. Thanks for letting me know. --Skire (talk) 14:26, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
No, no, I feel the same =) I didn't realise how lazily I had attempted to make it, as a lot of it remained quite similar to the Wikipedia page. But I have gone back now and reworded it more significantly. Let me know what you think? --Skire (talk) 14:33, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Looks good =) --Skire (talk) 14:42, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your editing, but... Edit

I wanted to clear that page out as I'm trying to get back on a new start. But thanks for helping never-the-less.

A small Favour.. Edit

Hey Leon. I was wondering if you could do me a small favour. I recently put together a blog post (found here) and was wondering if you could feature it in the next addition of the SNM. Greatly appreciated if you could, but I'd understand if you couldn't. --3 of Clubs "This is my road, you'll walk it as I say" 05:07, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

OK, it's all ready, but I don't know how you want the videoS sent to you.

I can upload them to YT and link them, if you don't have anything else in mind.

(The Hanged Man - Spirit of a grave robber 15:06, June 26, 2012 (UTC))

Finally ReadyEdit

Minefield: MIRV: Ant Queen: Beheamoth: Exploding Car: Railrifle: Teddies: Radroaches: Freddie Kruger: Lincoln's revenge: Suicide: Scorpions: Highway trousers: Watch the princess bride:

(The Hanged Man - Spirit of a grave robber (talk) 15:10, June 28, 2012 (UTC))

Hello Edit

Went to the food additive page and the whole thing was broken. Broken as in nothing loaded and the whole page was full of errors. I was wondering if the same thing happens to you when you visit it. TrailerParkApe TPA 17:29, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's an extension error aka Wikia messed up. Detroit lions Hawk da Barber 2012 17:33, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
Damn you Wikia! -shakefist- Dragon Leon Skål! 17:35, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Latest news concerning messed pagesEdit

Looks like we've been upgraded to Mediawiki 1.19, that's what's causing the problem. Just got a message from Wikia on my talkpage about it. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:37, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Moose Edit

Yo Leon, any word on the long term future of the Moose?

Might be worth trying to have a "editorial meeting" with the regular patrons. I think I can keep it afloat in your absence but might be better (presuming your long terms plans still preclude regular involvement) if theres someone who can give it the same attention you can to keep doing that. As there's less of us it hopefully shouldn't end up like the last meeting we tried ;-) .

I saw that you're planning to do a new moose tonight. I will update the Aces in the next few hours to match. Has OWR had a chance to catch you yet? He might be able to get more involved. Agent c (talk) 18:36, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Dog (Fallout) Edit

The page in question has become trifled with "Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "{"" and everything but flavor text is messed up. You might want to send some maintenance to clean it up. 18:48, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, other pages are suffering from this problem. Giant Rats, Brahmins, Coyotes, Deathclaws (including Goris)... I don't feel like nitpicking for all of them, I'm just making you aware of the situation. 18:57, June 28, 2012 (UTC)


I have updated [[User blog:Energy X/The Nukapedian Road|my blog]] to chapter 12. Will you place it in SNM? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Energy X (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

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You have a question for me?


Well, the content is created. Everything is fine, except the Biography section is a bit messed up. Could you fix it? Energy X 11:29, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, didn't saw that I copied a part of it twice... anyway, it seems the poll is being cut from the rest as well. Can you fix that for me aw well? Energy X 11:41, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Best of luckEdit

Hey Leon, I wish you well in your new career! From bartender to Navy diver, quite a change of pace and direction in your life. You don't choose a profession like that without care, you must be really motivated for it. I'm sad to see you leave, you had quite in place in our community and although we've had some disagreements, I've always respected your honest opinions and more than that, this past half year in your adminship I knew I could count on you for this wiki protecting and caring for it, working for it and sensed you always had its best interest at heart. So that's greatly appreciated. Now you're moving on with your real life, it's only for the best. Best of luck with your next step in life and please, if you manage to find some spare time, show your face around the door here ok? Your friend in wiki-arms. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 21:36, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, it's good you have spare time left to see your girl-friend just before go into training. Should get your spirits up and motivated to take that long trip. Yes, remember I told you I saw you as the new head admin a few months back? I didn't say that for nothing, you've made your mark with me and in the community. A strong presence in the community, not always liked in your opinions, even sometimes a little brawl (GA), but always respected. I know you've always had heart and dedication for this wiki, also with your Fallout internet franchise set-up. It's only understandable you've become less online the last month, preparing for your new career in the Navy. So I didn't have too many problems with that. Ok, we'll see you in a month then for a few weeks more, wish you a good time with your girl and after that good luck with your training, hope it turns out well for you. Bye! Jspoel Speech Jspoel 10:03, June 30, 2012 (UTC)


Never did leave that sentimental message, but I think you can imagine how it would go. Anyway...

Ask Harry

Enjoy. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 12:01, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

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