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Meeting Edit

Hi Leon. Sorry I had to leave early last night. Is there anything notable discussed that I missed? -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 18:31, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Meeting minutes Edit

Hey Leon could you send me the log for the meeting please? The Australian Kiwi 18:46, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

    • I still wouldn't mind looking through what was said if there's anything I want to bring to the next one :) The Australian Kiwi

Sorry everyone, the meeting failed in almost every respect. I didn't even bother to keep a log, and I've cancelled the second meeting. I do want to extend my appreciation towards those who took the time out to come, I just wish better results were achieved. Dragon Skål! 03:29, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Damn, i was caught up at work so i missed out on it, and i just found out that you didn't keep any of the logs, did anybody else make a log of it Garoux cause im still interested as to what happened at the meeting.AaaaaTheNemesisx 11:40, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Courier Edit

Clearly, you are not pleased with my edit of the Courier page. Could you tell me why? --S.T. Hedgehog 03:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

And on a side note, did you HAVE to lock it to everyone? ._. -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 03:35, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
I do not understand; the "Other Background Information" section of the Courier page could all be considered speculation. Also, like all mentions in this section, linking the word "Mother" with "Regret" is entirely up to the player and is not fully explained at any point in the game. Forgive me, but I am have trouble seeing what I have done wrong.--S.T. Hedgehog 03:42, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Very well, I will stop trying to add "Mother/Regret" to the page.--S.T. Hedgehog 03:49, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Deputy Beagle edit Edit

You did not like my edit about Deputy Beagle? 05:36, March 28, 2012 (UTC)bud

Re:Admin Edit

Thanks, Leon. I know you've supported me all the way. I'll be sure to use the new tools to the best of my ability and judgement. -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 18:31, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Comptetion suggestion Edit

Hi Leon,

I and Sig were talking, we have an idea for a contest that might fit in the SNM. Basically, its a scavenger hunt... Find as many pages as you can within the main article space (and perhaps within certain criteria) that Jspoel has never edited.

Just to make it harder/reduce the number of possibilities we were thinking it could be limited to perhaps pages above a certain size (1,000kb?) or "no Jspoel, Ausir or Porter".

Person who has the most pages (or most unique pages) wins.

Lemmie know what you think. Agent c 00:38, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

No probs, about to go offline myself. Agent c 01:05, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Edit

I finished my second chapter of the enclave takes charge. I don't know if it's too late to enter it in the strategic nuclear moose, but I could come up with a new chapter every week or so. Yeah, that sounds fair. The Enclave shall prevail! 06:08, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


Yeah sure Leon :). I will update it soon then, and I'm just about to have my tea, but whenever you want after that I will be able (hopefully) to go to chat. Just tell me a time :) Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 15:51, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

So what time then? XD Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 16:37, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, so 7pm here it is, 6pm GMT/UTC. Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 17:02, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

SNM Challenges Edit

They're good fun Garoux! They also keep my Fallout withdrawal symptoms at bay...

I kid to a certain degree, but I don't have a good patron idea in mind so that's a no for that for now, as for the challenges, I'll have to start thinking about them. I didn't know you took suggestions!

I did have a funny question that I'd like to hear peoples' answers to though,

"What do you think the other three decoy items House called for in the Mojave Express orders?"

I think the three we know are: the platinum chip, two fuzzy dice, and a chess piece.

I can't recall anymore, but I was just wondering if this could be a funny question somewhere.

Your repeat customer, --The Ever Ruler 18:49, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Assault rifle Edit

Just in case the gentleman who misunderstood my comment about game weapons being named "exactly" as the real world weapon (rather than being named similarly to it) comes to discuss the issue with you, I thought I'd also let you know that his information is not correct. The Rheinmetall (later Heckler & Koch) Automatisches Gewehr G3 was never chambered in 7.92x33 Kurz. It's predecessors, the Sturmgewehr 45(M), and the CETME rifle (in it's earliest stages) was, but the G3 was always chambered (first for trials with the Bundesgrenzschutz, the West German Border Guards, and later for the Bundeswehr) in NATO 7.62x51mm. Should for some reason this note be added to the page (I don't believe we'll ever find anything more than the GECK name to support this), it should at least have the correct information added. Sorry about the confusion as the editor must have misread or misunderstood my note to him. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 23:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Courier's MindEdit

Hey man, have you guys worked out how you're gonna implement this yet? I saw your comment on the SNM so I thought you might have come up with something :3 --101Phase 23:57, March 29, 2012 (UTC)101Phase

SNM - F:NV Fac. DebateEdit

Ah, well, since nobody wanted to pick him, I guess I should. Anyway, I might be able to participate in other challenges. MS: Destiny conquers all. 13:01, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sidebars FO1Edit

I've uploaded the requested sidebar images again. Hope it's what you meant. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 13:28, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

SNM Edit

Cheers! When's the next edition coming out? I'll write a question for then :) The Australian Kiwi 16:33, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Right my question is: Should the BoS feature in the next Fallout? The Australian Kiwi 17:49, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


I've uploaded all requested images to the wiki now. Find a nice place for them! Jspoel Speech Jspoel 18:13, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the bodyguard Leon! -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 18:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Looks very nice! You solved the problem with the Vault-tec logo I see. Still a problem on your SNM blog, with the loudspeakers. If you want I can cut out a larger part of the image (more height). Or I can stretch it a bit (not sure how that will look :)) Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:02, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
I've stretched and added them to your sandbox! How ya like it? Or I can still cut out more with the same width, but more height from the original, see image below for an example.

SNM image test

SNM Edit

I'd like to express my interest to take part in The Moose. I offer myself to become the official 'singer', perhaps every week someone can suggest a song, and I will do a humorous karaoke video on it, kind of like I did last time. Let me know what you think.--Bunny2Bubble 19:19, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sweet! Add me in, and I'll take a look.
I'll think for a minute:)--Bunny2Bubble 00:34, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Edit

Yeah, was lurking around as anon for quite a long time! Never wrote much, but mostly on the blogs and news posts. Started way back when New Vegas came out, things were hot and heavy round here back then, sure ya remember! CharlesLeCheck 00:27, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Re: QuestionEdit

Oh no; am I in trouble ;)? Well it seems I missed you by about a half hour, but I should be online for the next few hours. Just give send me a message and I'll hop into chat. --Kastera (talk) 02:41, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


Someone else can answer for Marcus now. Or you can delete it, your choice. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 07:11, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I'll be happy to take over Ask Marcus if you'd like? The Australian Kiwi 11:47, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Can you send me the template you have at the moment and I'll take a look at it. The Australian Kiwi 18:31, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

SNM PollEdit

Terribly sorry, I almost forgot to make one. This is what I have so far but if you think it needs improvement then please let me know:

What time period should the next Fallout game be set in? 1. Just after New Vegas (less than 10 years) 2. A generation after New Vegas (more than 50 years) 3. Concurrent with New Vegas 4. Concurrent with Fallout 3 5. Concurrent with Fallout 2 6. Concurrent with Fallout 1 7. Before Fallout 1 8. Other (please specify in the comments)

--101Phase 09:14, March 31, 2012 (UTC)101Phase

Father FateEdit

I like it how it is, apart from a bit of the background bit, because you/I just need to take out the '='s. Apart from that, looks sound to me, and I don't know what you meant about breaking the limits, it seems to fit fine to me :3 Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 11:27, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

SNM Re-Vamp Edit

Hey there Leon. Thanks for the template; over the next couple days, I'll try to fill it in a bit more, and get back to you. Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 12:32, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Mama Dolce's Edit

I'm getting specific information for that as of now. Sorry, I meant to contact you here earlier, but something else came up. When I get the quantity, we can decide whether or not it's notable. -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 15:42, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


For the karaoke one right? Yes! I told Kiwi he could have Marcus, I think one would be enough for me:D--Bunny2Bubble 18:30, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man!

I just changed the paragraph about Yes man and changed it to my fallout experience. Could you also swap the image of the fallout mutant in the character box to the one of Marcus in NV. I'd do it but I suck with templates. :') The Australian Kiwi 18:45, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Great, cheers mate! The Australian Kiwi

Anon Edit

Hi Leon. I unblocked that anon (this one). He stopped after I told him he was wrong and he only edited 3 pages (all of which have been fixed). -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 23:11, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Sorry, I don't think I was here when you sent that. --233345-cartman1 tinyUser Avatar talk 02:06, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Trufax Edit

Dude, you're awesome. --    Contr        KOROMO        Talk      07:15, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

vandal Edit

Vandal for banning The Australian Kiwi

May you please explain why the image of Boone I uploaded was unfit for the article "I Forgot to Remember to Forget?" In fact forget it, I know your type.—Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamLaughlin (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Sorry about that Leon, looks like we responded at the same time. -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 19:34, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I gave him a little lunch break (two hours), hopefully he can come back better. -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 19:36, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Patron Template Edit

Ah! Leon I love it, I work tonight, but I'm off tomorrow, so I will finish it then, thanks again!--Bunny2Bubble 21:56, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Got us a vandal Edit

Take a look at this guy's edit to the page if you come back on. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 03:17, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Booster Edit

Think I've found another booster. 1 confusing unnecessary edit each day, has the contribute for 100 days achievement but hasn't go too many edits. The Australian Kiwi 14:50, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ah and I've just seen your message. Looks nice ;) but could you change my signature to my avatar or tell me how it'd be done please. The Australian Kiwi 19:13, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm if I could have a look at what my avatar would look like as the signature first and then I can decide if it's appropriate or not. The Australian Kiwi 19:27, April 5, 2012 (UTC) I think it'll look good for the signature, I'll leave it with the background at the moment till I get the time to remove it. The Australian Kiwi 22:17, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

GiftShop Edit

Usually the stuff I mention as being available "In the Nukapedia gift shop" are things like "Tinfoil hats" to paranoid comments, or other such items that act as a punchline... but I'll have a think. Agent c 15:31, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

RE: BAN #21490 Edit

Hello, I'm sorry if this is the incorrect way to communicate, as you can see I am a new user. This is regarding the "Holding Pen for Freeform Encounters". I was banned this morning for posting incorrect information. I'm not sure who can see this so I will not post my IP, but the ban was #21490, it started at 17:23 April 5th 2012 and is until the 19th. I did not create the account to get around the ban, I just wanted to communicate with you directly. I have been contributing in small ways of editing for several years just annonymously. Today I discovered something new (to me) that I couldn't find anywhere else on the Wiki, that is why I began to create the page that I started this morning. If I have misstepped I apologize. Did I post it in the wrong area, is this something that isn't supposed to be posted? Please let me know what I did wrong as I did not mean to mislead or misguide anyone.

Thanks for keeping the peace on this great site!

```` Sinn 6

RE: BAN #21490 Edit

Hello, I'm sorry if this is the incorrect way to communicate, as you can see I am a new user. This is regarding the "Holding Pen for Freeform Encounters". I was banned this morning for posting incorrect information. I'm not sure who can see this so I will not post my IP, but the ban was #21490, it started at 17:23 April 5th 2012 and is until the 19th. I did not create the account to get around the ban, I just wanted to communicate with you directly. I have been contributing in small ways of editing for several years just annonymously. Today I discovered something new (to me) that I couldn't find anywhere else on the Wiki, that is why I began to create the page that I started this morning. If I have misstepped I apologize. Did I post it in the wrong area, is this something that isn't supposed to be posted? Please let me know what I did wrong as I did not mean to mislead or misguide anyone.

Thanks for keeping the peace on this great site!

```` Sinn 6

I hope this is the correct way of responding to a message on my page.

Thank you for your reply, I now understand why you banned me. Thank you for your consideration and taking the time to explain it to me. I am becoming more familiar with the G.E.C.K., but to be truthful I do not have the first idea of how to find it in there or how to use it.

The only way I can explain how to find it would be to tell you how I did it. I am in a relatively new (PC) game in FO3 with all the DLC installed. I did a player.moveto command in the console to find Lazlo Radford. So I entered this exactly.

player.moveto 474c7

I will try and post a photo as I reference it in this post.


Holding Pen for Freeform Encounters


PipBoy Map location

Upon entering the command, it immediatly started the loading screen, and it spawned me directly behind him. You can also see that it showed the Vault 101 emergency signal found. I am guessing that the reason it sent me here was because Lazlo had not been activated through the random encounter on the regular map. I wandered around the map for a few minutes and immediately started combing the wiki to find out what this place is. I found several references. One in the "Notes" section a wiki post for the Deathclaw Gauntlet Schematics, another in the fallout Q&A. The Q&A was empty of any answers (or a question for that matter), and finally just a word reference of "freeform" in a post by "Croquignol 15:18, January 8, 2010 (UTC)". The last was outside the wiki on Xbox wiki. I don't know if it's ok to link to outside websites so I won't. All said, I was unable to find a definitive explanation or a valid wiki page to reference to find out what it was.




It looks to me that the random encounters may actually be called "Freeform Encounters". I will try and get the G.E.C.K. this weekend and start my search.

Anyway, sorry for the long winded reply, but I hope maybe someone else can try this and see if they get the same results.

Have a good one.

SinnSix 03:04, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re:CP Edit

You mean more than one, right? And that may be more pragmatic, but I don't think it is the common practice here. We bullet every point regardless of how many there are. Take a look at the behind the scenes of this page for example, the bullet point was added by a bc. There are plenty of other examples if you want. A more than notes without bullet points, which I don't recall seeing until now. Just thought I'd explain this, and thanks for contacting me, that's what admins do :) -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 01:54, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I can see where you're coming from. Being a student of English ab initio, I couldn't agree more. But here we strive for consistency, and since all the other single notes have points it would only make sense to include this one in that too. And furthermore, the only note is simply the start of a list, so more could be added. At any rate, the key is consistency, so something must be changed. I'm all ears. -SigmaDelta54(Talk) 14:13, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Hmm... shall we get a mediator(s)? -SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 21:42, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
We'll miss you (I will, especially ;P)! But yeah, be sure to check back every once in a while, I'll try to keep you informed of important things. -SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 21:47, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
And by the way, who's in charge of Ask Marcus now? -SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 21:50, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

The Serenader Edit

My patron template is ready, I just finished it, and it's on my sandbox.--Bunny2Bubble 02:15, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I will! Thanks again Leon:D

Re: Interesting Edit

I already have forgave this wiki and now I am back into the Fallout series so what the hell? Vulpes-Inculta 21:40, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm a forgiving person on this wiki. Just not that forgiving on that other wiki I got banned on. Vulpes-Inculta 21:47, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Regrets Edit

Hello Leon,

I'm terribly sorry to have to do this, but I must face facts. My schedule, as of this time, is so full to bursting that I cannot, in good conscience, delude myself into thinking that I will have time for maintaining Pilgrim of the Wastes with any of the regularity that the Strategic Nuclear Moose deserves.

I apologize for not alerting you sooner. I will still be around, though, so in the event that you need some Photoshopping done, hit me up, and I'll be happy to help.


Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 21:49, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Happy to hear it, Leon. I anxiously await the next Photoshop challenge.
Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 01:44, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hello GarouxBloodline, I've take a photo of my fallout 3 GOTY edition for ps3, and I've tried post it, but the page was locked, can I send to you and you post it? Thanks.


SNM Edit

No probs, its still your baby as far as I'm concerned... I'm just keeping the seat warm.

How do you normally go about arranging everything? Agent c 23:04, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The Historian Bio and CMEdit

Hey again Leon, just wanted to confirm: when I said I updated my bio I meant I did it on my own profile page. I don't know how to edit my Patron page on the SNM and even if I did I wouldn't touch it without your permission. So in other words my bio is ready and waiting on my profile page.

Also, I'm still waiting to see how you're planning to implement Courier's Mind. I know you're probably still busy with the SNM formating right now but it would be nice to see what you in mind. Thanks :D

--101Phase 23:12, April 7, 2012 (UTC)101Phase

I have received your message Edit

Due to the issues that you pointed out, I will revise any moderate my original post. I would also appreciate it if you did the same with copies of it that you created here, to reflect the changes.

I also request that you not make personal attacks and you did on my Vault talk page. Inquisitor Ehrenstein 07:21, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I just changed the post at The Vault talk page in response to your concerns. I moderated the language that I used. I am sorry about having been caught in the moment. Inquisitor Ehrenstein 07:40, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Replied to this on The Vault. Dragon Skål! 08:12, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sascha / InquisitorEdit

Thanks for looking out for our wiki, Leon. You handled that very well with the comment on his talkpage over at The Vault. It's hard to stay professional and objective when you're being accused of plagiarizing and see Wikia being slandered. I'll add a comment to his page over here. Also posted a comment on the TL wiki. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 14:31, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Jspoelstra has been in chat for the last hour (we were talking) :) SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 23:29, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, is there another method of contacting you? I was just looking around your Profile but didn't find a contact button.—Preceding unsigned comment added by FatLady (talkcontribs) 01:05, April 10, 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Gusaber Edit

Hey Leon. Sorry about that, I changed his ban to a week (first offence, I think a week should do for sock-puppetting). He made another account to rejoin chat following a chat ban. I think an indefinite ban is a little too harsh. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 01:50, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

No way... I had absolutely no idea of that, sorry. I'll leave this one to you from here on. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 01:59, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


"Liberty Prime may be a reference to transformers Optimus Prime." LOL kids these days...-- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 04:46, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Tranquility LaneEdit

Heyo, I've been meaning to change the logo on the fanon wiki from the old Vault one to the new Nukapedia one. Where might I find the image?--OvaltinePatrol 07:54, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Forum Edit

Indeed, I meant the topic I started. Almost as if some people want me to just shut up and go away I daresay. --233345-cartman1 tinyUser Avatar talk 17:01, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sector 36Edit

Just a heads up, sector 36 is still making one minor/pointless edit each day. Kiwi 3992205 13:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sector 36 followed me over from the Wolfenstein Wiki. He/she's a good editor, I'm not sure why people are quick to vilify others on this wiki lately.--Kingclyde 17:48, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
I've checked all his recent edits. Whilst they may not be of the highest quality, they are legitimate. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 20:10, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


Yo Leon, could you take another look at ; Thanks. Agent c

Anon block Edit

This guy was wrongly banned, I think. He only added a delete tag to a blatant spam user page advertising home security. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 23:39, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Saw your post to his talk page :) SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 23:40, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Edit to "Red Glare" Edit

I am the one who was changing the description here Where you said I was making it into "speculation"... How is this? Do you not think it ridiculous that the other person has the apparent 'right' to say that the reason it is called "Red Glare" is because of the red glare the weapon emits? That is pure subjectivity. My explanation is much more objective, because it is quite obvious this would be the only reason for it to be named such.

Theirs' A bright red light emits from the weapon when firing, giving it its name.

And my explanation: The name of the weapon may come from the United States Anthem lyrics, "And the rocket's red glare..." due the patriotic nature of Fallout, and the literal red glare upon firing the rocket being symbolic.

His is quite obviously more subjective than mine. If one cannot give a true explanation, than one must be speculative, and he was saying that his reason is fact while I was saying what the reason may possibly be.

Okay... 1) If you added the part about the national anthem to the Background section then you should have read the whole page first. Since it was already in the Behind the Scenes section. And 2) Hey Leon, like I just said, that same bit of info has been in the BtS section of the page for a while. Don't think anyone noticed yet. >>; UserGreatMaraMessage 17:51, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

RE: QP Edit

Ok. Thanks for the tip. I actually didn't want to bother Guardian or GAV with that again, but I'll keep that in mind. Didn't even know that existed. Thx! ;-)

--Crimson Frankie -ArroyoTalk 08:17, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

It's still appearing in the recent activity as edit, even though I've marked them as minor. Is it normal?
--Crimson Frankie -ArroyoTalk 08:23, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
Nah, it's a pleasure, mate. I'm doing my best to keep this wiki as helpful to Fallout players as it has been to me all these years ever since I was an anon here. And that coming from such a remarkable contributor as yourself, I feel honoured.
--Crimson Frankie -ArroyoTalk 08:26, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

No relevance Edit

Ok, I see what you did there. the fact that there even is an argument to be made says otherwise. The only harassment going on is you deleting pages due to personal bias. All I want is a good reason, which I have not yet been provided with. I will continue my debate regardless of the consequences. In the words of Orwell, even if everyone else on the planet thinks I am crazy, as long as I know I am right, I am not crazy. Paraphrasing a bit there but the point is the same. And I leave you with one last quote. a paraphrasing of Medgar Evers. You cannot ban an idea. Au revoir, and good luck living with ignorant bias. Call me an idealist, but I really thought the world was about to move past that stage.

                                            Signing off for the last time,
                                                                      Big M.T.

Potential situation Edit

Hey Leon. I recall you are a fan of eradicating sock puppets. Well this guy has just admitted in a recent blog to having sock-puppet accounts. Not sure which ones they are, perhaps you could dig around a bit? The situation is heating up a bit, so I'll let you take it from here, I think you'd work better under these situations. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 00:50, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

2 weeks for the first offence? A little harsh, eh? With good cause though. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 01:40, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for looking into it though. We've banned people for less. I hope you don't mind me relaying some issues to you, as I think you're the best man to handle them. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 01:46, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Big MTEdit

I changed the ban message to include a word about his sock puppeting.--Kingclyde 01:49, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


Please come in and discuss this with me--Kingclyde 01:52, April 15, 2012 (UTC)



Artist's interpretation of GarouxBloodline coming up with the idea of writing a Webcomic for the Moose. I rather like the sleep-deprived eyes and the wild-man beard. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 05:43, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Blade Edit

I was questioning that edit too. We could confirm the HP value using the formula here. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 16:07, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Photoshop Time! Edit

Hey Leon, what did you have in mind?
Signature Image- PNG1- DocUser Avatar talk 10:59, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'll be there later on. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:02, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

I did not want to delete my talk page because of the moderator message. Also, I did answer TwoBearsHigh-Fiving's questions in the chat, through private messages. Just letting you know, don't think I did those things. -- 06:43, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

You could just ask TwoBears, if I did answer him. I answered him a while ago then he had to go to bed. Thanks for the info :). I told him he could do whatever to Yes Man the Helper, (The other account) he wants.--Muggy the Mini Securitron 06:53, April 18, 2012 (UTC):)

Oh yeah, I'm a little late, but we sorted it in PM for the sake of ease:P-- 04:51, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Dang it!Edit

Got in kickbanned by the chat buggers over some satirical content about them being racist against Nazis. Why do people always do that when you're just joking around? Is it that offensive. I mean, we were talking about BEASTIALITY for crissakes. Does this last for a week too?

hewwo! Edit

Hey bloodline, I was wondering if a user is allowed to have this as their profile The Enclave shall prevail! 22:59, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

i got banned from the chat on fallout wiki and i read the chat rules and saw that it said your first time banned u were banned for 3 days so i get back on today now keep in mind i haven't gotten on fallout wiki in about a month sense i was banned and i get on the chat today and it still says i don't have permission. i was wondering if there was anything that could be done.


I think I might join the SNM as a patron. My idea is to make a some sort of a short novel which will be diverted in lots of episodes. The difference from other patrons is that characters will be references to Nukapedian users. What do you think of it? MS: Destiny conquers all. 21:08, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the link:,_1 MS: Destiny conquers all. 16:49, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

It would be nice to send that template. MS: Destiny conquers all. 16:47, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Moose Edit

Hey, you may remember we were talking about some sort of GECK tutorial as a part of the moose... Been developing the idea a bit in my ol' brainbox and here what I was thinking.

Rather than just a straight "this is how you do it", I'm thinking making it chronicalising something being made - specifically a "Demo Level" for a Total Conversion mod based on the "Enclave rising" Fallout infinities idea - specifically the level would be the Enclave invasion of Vault 13. It would start simple, making a single level map, then a multi-level map, linking them, adding characters, quests, etc, with the demo level as the payoff at the end...

Who knows if it works we have a season 2 concept ready to go (the rest of the game)...

Lemmie know what you think, and if you have any suggestions to push it further. Agent c 02:26, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Did you realise that MS's admin request had closed a few days before you put your vote in? xD I'm fine with it (since the result would be the same) but it just seems a bit... odd. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 18:29, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

The HistorianEdit

Hey Leon, just wanted to let you know that I uploaded another chapter to my Patron contribution. I'm not dead after all, just overburden with college work right now :P

As for the mod idea, I will eventually get around to that but until my work load ease up a bit, I'm gonna have to put that on hold. For future reference, am I allowed to use the comment section of the SNM to alert people about updates? Also is there any chance the SNM will be updated again :3? --101Phase 21:03, April 25, 2012 (UTC)101Phase


Considering the Strategic Nuclear Moose is on a, shall we say, "Indefinite hiatus", and Nem hasn't updated the Hole in quite some time (actually, I haven't seen him in a while... He's probably busy), what do you think of me kickstarting the Weekly Wednesday Polls? I'd ask Jspoel too, but I figured you're a good person to ask about this stuff. It would be like the old days when Sam and Kast did two polls a week. Anyway, if you could get back to me on the future of SNM, and I'll try to get in touch with Nem, that would be great. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 11:23, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

In response to present messagesEdit

I will try and get back with you all as soon as I can. I'm not really able to spend much time on here at the moment, so please bear with me. Thank you. Dragon Skål! 11:53, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Anon banEdit

Wow Leon, you come out of the blue and steal my bans? xD You're really fast... --Skire (talk) 18:57, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Trolling a sister wiki Edit

Hey Leon! I'm not sure trolling done on another wiki is a valid reason to hand out bans here, but indefinite bans for anons is definitely against practice, so I've reduced the ban you gave this anon. Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 12:40, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Indefinite bans of IPs are forbidden not just because it might be from a public computer, but also because the IP might be dynamic or semi-dynamic. Even in cases of static IPs, the user may still simply switch providers or move away, in which case their IP will be reassigned to somebody else. Overlong IP bans are against practice as it is, and indefinite bans are definitely a no-no. Also, you took away the right to edit their talkpage, leaving no way for them to dispute or argue the ban, let alone to inform us if they just received the IP. Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 13:45, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

As far as i know, we never block anons for more than 3 months for the reason Limmie mentioned. I think I've seen Clyde even say 1 month on a forum thread once. I'm sure I've read a Wikia guideline about this somewhere, no more than 3 months. And you just blocked an anon for 2 weeks. A bit too hefty for a first offense if you ask me. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:46, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
I'll leave the ban lengths up to your discretion, but I am in agreement with Lims and Jspoel here. It is not practical to block IPs indefinitely as other users may end up with them and not be able to access the wiki. Such things are more logic than policy. --Skire (talk) 19:54, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
That's a good solution, I think. It might be a bit hassling for the new user (if there will be one), but a decent precaution. --Skire (talk) 19:59, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I have seen it before (indefinite anon bans)... But on another note, you might want to check the fora, couple new things cycling about that could use your input :) Hope to see you around more often! --Skire (talk) 20:03, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
There's been quite a bit going on recently. You can hop in chat now and I'll fill you in if you want. --Skire (talk) 20:12, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding bansEdit

From the Policies and Guidelines Fallout Wiki:Administration policy


Usually, the block duration is:

  • Three days for the first offense
  • One week for the second offense
  • One month for the third offense
  • Any additional offenses may result in a permanent ban (only for registered users).

Thanks>--Kingclyde 21:27, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

I am really getting tired or having to explain the obvious around here, especially when I have already explain this on multiple occasions.--Kingclyde 21:31, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Leon these are from the policy page. Do not ban anons for more than a few weeks, maybe even a few months but not perm.--Kingclyde 21:38, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

From the page: "This page contains the Nukapedia's administration policy. It describes rules for the blocking of users, page deletion and protection as well as other rules for the wiki's administrators and moderators."

I am not sure why you have decided to go on this tangent. But it sounds like a person who is using every excuse in the book to do what they want. The part where you can no longer look at things with the view of common sense really concern me. At this point I am telling you not to perm-ban anons. Thanks. --Kingclyde 21:46, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Circular logic and personal bias? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Let's do some reviewing eh?

  • "After trolling another wiki and then insulting other editors here, that does indeed warrant a perma ban." - Insulting other editors if they are registered qualifies for a perm ban. Not anons. Anons help build the wiki and blocking damn near everyone you "think" is a bad way to go. Most of you anon blocks have been for two or more blog comments. For christ's sake leon, you are out of hand on that.
  • "And like I pointed out to Limmie, it is not stated anywhere in Wikia policies -not just Nukapedia policies- that such bans for anons are not allowed" - Honestly, I don't care if another wiki says or doesn't say something in their policies, they are not this wiki. What policies are here are for this wiki, not others and vice-versa. I'm disappointed that has to be even made clear to you.
  • "And like I also mentioned, I've seen Wikia staff and VSTF global ban IP accounts before over CC." - You are not Wikia staff nor VSTF, you do not have the same tools to verify ip's. Period. You are just an admin here and you do not have the right to ban people indefinitely on a hunch or feeling. That alone can be seen as power abuse.
  • "As for banning the most recent anon, I don't see the problem with it. Sorry to say, but when an anon comes to this wiki and the first edit they decide to make is one of blatant vandalism, why should I be lax on him? 2 weeks helps make sure that they never come back. A 2 hour ban? Even a 1 or 3 day ban? That's not really deterring them, is it" - Duration is up to the admin, but policy clearly states perm-bans are for registered users only.
  • "This anonymous user's IP address comes from a personal house-hold, and they have been using this IP for the greater month. If the IP happens to cycle, and the rare chance that it is therefore given to another unfortunate user who happens to also want to edit on here, then they can leave a message or talk to Wikia staff. Like I already said, it can easily be confirmed whether it's the same person or not." - So your assumption that this ip comes from a house and that maybe if they want to edit here they need to talk to Wikia staff is justified. In my opinion, with that attitude you are no longer willing or able to follow this Wikia's policies. Enough said.--Kingclyde 22:17, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

( I'd lay this matter to rest if I were you, Leon. These are the kind of issues that made Kingclyde want to leave this wiki for a couple of weeks ago. And I don't think we want that, right? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:13, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Deleted pageEdit

And you deleted my page, why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrimalSkater (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Chat Edit

Hi Leon. A group of us in chat believe you should join us ay your earliest convenience. Agent c 22:14, April 27, 2012 (UTC)


... but I have to decline the offer. I'll try to write today (and tomorrow) the "novel", because of the "family problems" I cannot write it every week. Still, you can include it in SNM, if you wish it. MS: Destiny conquers all. 08:28, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

You vs ClydeEdit

Yesterday was not such a fine day for the wiki (again). I saw you arguing over that anon's ban with Kingclyde and at a certain point wouldn't have been surprised anymore if you ended up being banned. I know Clyde was close to doing that. In the end he decided to express his frustration in a different way. I'll give you that you've done your research on banning of IP's and that's where your confidence in you being right probably comes from. But as it is now we have guidelines that don't include permabans on anons so I would expect you follow that and not make your own rules. Didn't you get the feeling yesterday knowing when to quit for better sake, even if you felt you were right? I've not had many run-ins with bureaucrats when I was an admin, but if a bureaucrat was convinced of his point, with what he believed good arguments, I'd never push it to the limit like you did and respect his judgment. I think you should have done the same yesterday and then afterwards could have set up a forum thread about a policy change if you really wanted it. Just like with other subjects which are running now, like the skill mags and real world weapons refs. Then things could have discussed in a more constructive and civilized way instead of an admin and bureaucrat reverting eachother on the spot and things getting heated in fast pace. Yesterday I asked you to back down and a lot of people in chat noticed your actions also, disagreeing with how you handled the situation. That should tell you something I think. So I hope you will reflect on your actions and learn from it. Now Clyde has left and I'm not entirely sure he'll come back if you don't change your attitude. I think he deserves more respect and not should not get hassled by an admin the way you did yesterday. It's not your intention of making him to leave the wiki, right? He stepped up when it mattered and deserves a lot of credit for that. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:52, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

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