Bearded Hoplite

aka Dylan

159 Edits since joining this wiki
February 9, 2010
0 Discussion posts
  • I live in Lansing
  • I was born on October 10
  • I am male
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Behind the scenes Edit

Here at the Vault, we don't list similarities to real-world weapons unless the weapon is specifically mentioned to be from the real world. For example, the R91 looks a lot like the Spanish CETME Modelo C, it isn't and we don't mention it. Nitty Tok. 19:51, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Because people will argue and bitch over it, as evidenced by the 9mm pistol being compared to both a Browning HP and a Colt 1911, and the assault carbine being compared to an AR-10, and M4, an M16, and a Colt Commando. Nitty Tok. 19:56, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
I end arguements by blocking people, because that's much more effective than getting them to understand how they're wrong.
However, for guns that are from the real world, like the Desert Eagle .44 or the FN FAL, go nuts. Nitty Tok. 20:01, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's just a rule dude, we all have to live by it.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 20:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Light MG Expanded Drums Edit

It's a clip (specifically, a belt), not a magazine. --Kris User Hola 22:04, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Automatic rifleEdit

Unless you have proof that that statement is true, it cannot stay as it isn't part of J. E. Sawyer's original quote. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 18:18, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

So add it after quoted segment? Bearded Hoplite 18:19, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
You must not know who JE Sawyer is. We don't add false or "likely" information here. Unless you have proof, you can't add that to an article. -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 18:21, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
I know who Sawyer is, so don't patronize me. The info isn't "false" or "likely", the rifle is a European version of the BAR made by FN Herstal. Bearded Hoplite 18:27, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Apologies for sounding rude. May I see your proof to that claim? -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 18:28, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Alrighty, It is the same weapon minus the barrel ribbing. I was involved heavily in making the IMFDB page for New Vegas and with the IMFDB in general, so I know my shit Bearded Hoplite 18:32, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Your knowledge in weaponry reminds me of someone else here, but for this Fallout wiki, we simply must have either developer confirmation or if the weapon shares the same name as its real-life counterpart. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 18:33, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to have to ask you to read this page: which shows you our policy on real world weapon similarities. Also, an image is NOT proof. -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 18:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Why is there such a rule? Why do we have to wait for developer confirmation (which may be completely inaccurate) instead of listing painfully obvious inspirations. Bearded Hoplite 18:38, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

We don't write the rules, we just enforce them. End of story. Any more foolish edits may result in you losing editing privileges. Thank you and have a nice day. -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 18:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I can respect that you're only following orders, but would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of someone who I can have a conversation about this rule with? Bearded Hoplite 18:42, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I told you to drop this. Anything like what you were putting in the articles is speculation unless proof is given. I don't care if you play Call of Duty too much and think you know weapons, or if you're like this guy and you're a former U.S. Marine. Sigma doesn't write the rules either, the entire community does. If you insist on making a fool of yourself even further, please make a public appeal of this in the forums. If not, drop this topic. -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 01:36, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ban Edit

I didn't want to do this, but you engaged in edit-warring of potentially untrue information even after being warned by several users referencing the rules. I do not care if the rules seem ridiculous to you, I am only here to make sure they are adhered to. You can edit again in 2 hours. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 18:43, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Please just follow the rules. As you can guess, I don't write them. And most of those cultural references are confirmed, or obvious beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm not sure about your Dead Money edit, that sounds extremely likely to me (sharing the same name). Perhaps you could ask another admin. SigmaDelta54 (Talk) 01:34, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
The rule is there because to many gun nuts thinking they know everything, have been proven wrong on what said gun was based on by the developers. The rule in there to prevent dispute and edit warring, so unless you have direct confirmation of which gun or guns (and I say guns, because it has been know if the past that some game weapons have been based on a mix of two real world weapons) the weapon is based on, it stays out of the page. There is no ifs, buts or maybes on this, and the rule wont be changes because we are generally fed up of the arguments caused by the inclusion in the page. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 01:54, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
By the simple fact of experience, this is why the rule only exists for guns in the first place. Because experience has shown us that such disputes, prior to the rule, became disruptive to the wiki and the majority of the time found to be incorrect. Where as other cultural reference have not proven to cause the same level of dispute or disruption, if they ever did then the rules for them would be re-evaluated also. We do not create rules around here for the sake of having rules, rules and policies here is created out the need to have a governing rule when an issue arises. This particular issue has been debated many times in the past since the rule was created, always with the same arguments for the inclusion and always with the same outcome - no proof, then no inclusion. P.S. Sawyer still answers questions on his formspring, and since he himself is a gun nut and oversaw the guns in FNV, will be able to confirm any questions on the subject. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 02:15, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

You might also want to read this comment from Sawyer, [1] User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 02:34, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Questioning The Rules. Edit

I've noticed you have been asking many an admin for answers about wiki regulations. Here is a link to a bureaucrat. I guess you could say one with some of the highest power here. --The Old World Relics 02:05, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, sir. Feels good to be moving up in the chain. Bearded Hoplite 02:10, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Answer to you question Edit

I will attempt to answer your question, if you will. The reason the "No real world weapon policy" is in place is because of community consensus. This is a wiki, and as such, things are done here with community consensus. The community in the past has decided that the only real world weapon references that are to be allowed are those that can either be backed up with a direct quote from a developer or the are named as the real world weapon. Once the community decides an issue like that it becomes policy and is enforced. If you want real world weapon references on the pages, then you would need to get community consensus to overturn the existing policy. Regardless of how you personally feel about the policy, a majority of editors would need to agree with you before the policy is overturned. That's how this wiki works. If you desire real world weapon references without dev confirmation on the pages, you will need to build that consensus, in the correct forum, rather than arguing individually on others' talk pages. You can either accept this wiki's previously considered decisions or you can attempt to change them in the correct fashion. Those are the two choices you have at your disposal. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg

This sums this argument up. Gunny is former U.S. Marine and knows where you are coming from. There are simply no other ways to make this more simple than it is. No one user makes the rules, you can preach to Jspoel all you want, he's gonna tell you the same thing. Build a bridge and get over it. -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 02:15, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, point me in the direction of the forums, please. I could also do without the attitude and condensending remarks from you, Tocinoman Bearded Hoplite 02:27, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, well I could do without you trying to disturb the peace on the wiki, but we can't all get what we want, now can we? -- Bacon-Man Talk to me goose! 02:32, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

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