The oncoming storm…
No, no one is saying that you, the Enclave, launched the first salvo of nuclear armaments. What we said is that you had helped both create and flourish the path of paranoia and self-destruction of the world, for your own personal gains. The United States Foreign policy which you helped create (as the Éminence grise of America), with its non-negotiation and overall hostile mentality with the world would help lead to the Abandonment UN when the UN needed the support most. As a result of this mentality one by one its member nations withdrew from the United Nations causing the commencement of the Resource Wars.
With this limited nuclear war the world had seen the future of its policies. However at this point, the nations that weren't collapsing inward in civil war were falling apart on their own economic collapse. The United States was one of the few nations that had some semblance of chance to change the fate of the world. This hope was dashed when the President of the United States walked out on the 2074 Resource treaty negotiations, the last political way of resolving the Resource crisis without total global war.
Yes, it is true that China launched first. Whether that was out of spite or some last-ditch effort to cripple their enemy and retake their country is a matter lost to history. However the United States did launch a retaliatory strike in return.
Unfortunately however powerful it may have been, it defiantly wasn't for tactical purposes either.
You may have survived it with foresight but defiantly not wisdom.
Wisdom means: insight, common sense, sound judgment. And if your group had any semblance of that they would've made it their mission to avoid nuclear war at all cost.
The Obliteration of Ideas and Colonization
As we said before, and is still completely true, you CAN'T destroy and Idea with violence. There is no doubt that you Failed in your goal of obliterating communism. You cannot forcibly change someone's mind, trying to is both futile and scoff able.
No one is saying you should regret having a large enough population to colonize, but you should regret your actions to the local populace. The fact is that you've been committing no less than what is considered crimes against humanity. This Must Stop! for the rebuilding of America to truly begin.
You are not alone!!! Stop saying you are!!!!
No one is saying you shouldn't save yourselves; this was a quip about you not realizing that you don't give the thought that ANY other group would, could, should, have done, and will do the same. It's true no one has extended an olive branch of peace toward you, but have you not done the same? No. Have you tried at all to even develop any communications toward another group? Yes, actually, but what did you do with it? You bought slaves! Yet another action against the Constitution of the United States.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
SECTION 2.Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
The bottom line is that if you even bothered to extend an olive branch to the communities of the wastes you wouldn't meet with anywhere near the hostility you currently receive.
We did not say Nuclear Armageddon was glorifiable, we asked which, if any victory you had. There is no evidence that China claimed the "ultimate victory" you say they have claimed. As we said above, the truth has been lost to history. It is true that "the best defense is a good offense." And America's military was up to the challenge, but IF there truly was a defense, any defense, against the nuclear holocaust, than it failed!
Of course there are variables, what is life without change? Without evolution?! The term "pure human" is not a reality, constant evolution and change made us what we are today. And after the Great War it was only natural for life to evolve to be more resistant to the Irradiated Particles left behind. Here’s an example of Lt. Col. Dr. Curling’s dialogue:
Now in regards to the Forced Evolutionary Virus, you are also very correct in that the populace did get exposed to A mutated form of FEV…
however it didn't destroy them it inoculated them from its full mutative effects, thus saving them from future mutation at the hands of the base virus, and giving them a basic immunity to future strains. Charles Curling did confirm this but he was, and you are wrong about them not being Human. Here’s that dialogue:
The Rebuilding and the Uncooperative
The only group that has been consistently uncooperative is you the Enclave. As your history has proven you haven't been very negotiable. You never even tried to open true diplomatic dialogue with any other groups. How can anyone listen to what isn't said?! Or cooperate with ones who try to exterminate them?!
Of course people changed, everyone changed to survive in a world after the bombs destroyed civilization. Yes! Everyone, even you the Enclave, have changed due to the “post-apocalyptic hell” which ravaged the world.
Are you implying you can't rebuild with your selves? Or around those who want nothing to do with you? Do you even practice what you preach?! If you're the continuation of the United States government, as you claim to be, then what happened to the tenets of the constitution? The Declaration of Independence? Or The Gettysburg Address?
Of course the advanced civilizations of the world would hunt down and imprison you. You tried to commit Global Genocide!!! And, you did commit crimes against humanity!! Can you really not understand why they would shoot you on sight if you refused to surrender peaceably?!
The real Responsible ones!
The NCR congress has never and will never give dictations to the Enclave. If you still believe they have done so please give ONE example of an act of the NCR congress directing Enclave actions. If you cannot find any examples, then please Stop Lying to yourself and others!
No, you didn't decide for your Navarro base to be overrun by the NCR, why in the world would you suggest that you would have decided that? The NCR overran Navarro because of the devastated Enclave leadership.
It was true that there were good people at Navarro,
unfortunately, the threat that the Enclave still posed to the region was too great for the still new & fragile Republic. It was the fear, paranoia, the scientific and tactical disadvantage of the NCR that drove it to sack Navarro. And your actions (id est genocide) and technological knowledge that drove the NCR and the BoS to hunt you down afterward.
If they didn't you would've just started the Genocide all over again.
Therefore, what had happened to the Enclave afterward, was the only logical outcome of your actions.
"Marshal Law" & "Trespassing"
Declaring "Marshal Law" for that long a period of time is no less than incompetence. You cannot simply declare everyone in an entire region a criminal, just because they've been surviving there long before Any, semblance of governance rose to the occasion of governing the region.
It's true, restoring law and order does take priority. However you must actually establish and/or support that regional structure, while, helping the people living there. Instead of your current Modus Operandi: destroying and terrorizing whatever communities and peoples that you find.
Could you really consider them "trespassing" on government property, if after some sort of "Apocalyptic" event, they needed to establish a community there? After all it's only logical that they would settle their community in the most reinforced and defendable structure in the area. For example: Rivet City, Underworld, or the Lincoln Memorial.
Or perhaps Project Purity? Would you truly consider the scientists trespassing, when they take the vacant and structurally sound monument and renovate it for public needs? Id est, restoring potable water to the population.
Therefore simply declaring "martial law" for decades at a time is no less than an excuse for your, "governing body," to do what they want, when they want in the guise of restoring law and order. This is not a how a true government responds to its people resettling a region.
We have not presumed "perfection" in any of this. It is you, The Enclave that have however. You presume that you are the only "true" government, and that there is such a thing as "pure" humans.
It is you that presumed that there wouldn't be consequences when you slaughtered civilians, and tried to commit Global Genocide. (Id est the hunting down of the War Criminals, and those perceived as war criminals.) When your victims were screaming in terror, pain, and loss did you not consider that a cry for help?
Face it; your group ignored the populace after the bombs dropped. You let the situation deteriorate into self-consuming anarchy that effectively razed America. You truly did not try to help anyone anywhere, other than yourselves. Therefore presumption is a flaw of yours The Enclave, not Quaere Verum's.
It's true democracy does require citizens to function. However you're insular policies toward the American people have prevented you from conjoining with the populace. You're correct this "recruitment" is an anomaly, a needed anomaly, a step in the right direction for your policies to change. However, you still don't consider the entirety of the wasteland populace as Americans. This is something that the Fourteenth Amendment demands.
This means all persons born or naturalized in the United States!This includes the Ghouls and the, as you would put it, other "near-human" population. Ghouls are in fact pre-war citizens, therefore you're letting your bigotry cloud the rebuilding of America.
Stiggs and Anna Holt weren't the only people that we know of who wanted to join the Enclave, did you forget about Nathaniel Vargas? What about him? You imprisoned him, the only avid supporter of the Enclave outside of your group, simply because he had nothing to offer your group.
This is not how America was founded. Remember;
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”— The New Colossus
Therefore it's only you the Enclave, that are trying to fool anyone. Citizenship is not a "pseudo-peaceful pipe dream." It is something that all the people must get interested and involved in.
The Golden Rule
You weren't tossed into the wastes. Your first expeditionary forces entered the wasteland in the mid-2230s. And you kept some sort of a presence there since.
Did you forget The Golden rule?
If you don't like how you were treated, then why would you do the same back to them? Out of revenge? Out of spite? Why not show them the alternative, the way people should be treating each other.
Yes you do hate, you were raised to hate. And the cycle of hatred and bigotry needs to stop, for the rebuilding of America to truly begin.
There is no virtue in destroying you the Enclave, just rendering you're ability to commit biological warfare and genocide to nothing. Either by force or by (what is preferred) diplomacy. America was destroyed by people who forgot these tenets, not destroyed by the tenets themselves. The majority of the mainland populace is at a tribal level of warfare and understanding. They commit tribal warfare, not genocide. They didn't even know about total warfare until Caesar taught his legion. Then proceeded to show all of them in his reach.
Yes, you butcher people, not just Americans. You in fact butcher yourselves when you butcher the American populace you call "muties". The victory we seek is the spreading of the truth and the destruction of corruption and bigotry.
The "Burden" of Civility and Law
But the fact is that you are slaughtering the weak, and seized their property. If you followed the laws of the United States, then you know that you can't just seize property.
There are two types of forfeiture cases, criminal and civil. Almost all forfeiture cases practiced before the war were civil.
The "burden" of obligation rests with everyone not just certain groups. America was founded by immigrants, who sought their rights and freedoms. So it appears that the real question is: why won't you follow our constitution and protect them?
The collateral damage you refer to was the result of your policies. The result of your actions and actions alone. One question when you claim collateral damage, are you saying attempted global genocide shouldn't be called "collateral damage?" I believe it is!