Talk:Timeline

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I've added all events that happen a fixed number of days after the beginning of the game to the timeline. Ausir 12:29, 28 May 2005 (CEST)

New Plague outbreak problem - no date for this event at Denver design document.

• At the Quest section (page 65) - Recover Plague outbreak is journal entry: I found some evidence of a plague outbreak in Denver shortly before the War.
• War was beginned in 2066 (China invaded Alaska).

(more details: Sawyer (when interviewed by you) connected Denver outbreak with Black Ghosts, similar incursion was described at Hoover Dam design document).

I suggest to change a date for plague outbreak in Denver (2066 recommended, see: China) --dotz 14:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I remember a while ago there being certain other 'footnote' historical references (such as PotUS telling everyone to get fluffed about the Oil reserves, and a couple days later getting pwned by congress when he was impeached for jaywalking. Was there a de-flavouring of the page or a lack of credability for the refrences? --Frostedfire 02:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The jaywalking part is still there: Timeline#2075. However, this is all from the Sierra Depot GNN Transcript holodisk, which was declared as non-canon by Chris Avellone, as it contradicted the official timeline (the person who wrote it for FO2 didn't bother checking it against the timeline from FO1 design documents), so the official word is that it was modified by bored SAD soldiers. Ausir 02:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 Date of Enclave's discovery of Mariposa 2 Civil Rights 3 MacCready becoming mayor of Little Lamplight 4 Game icons 5 Thirteen commonwealths 6 References and notes 7 Outcasts 8 thats the 17th century... 9 Amata

[edit] Date of Enclave's discovery of Mariposa

In Fallout 2 President Richardson says the Enclave found Mariposa "about 70 years ago", which places its discovery in around 2172. 89.110.20.58 19:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Civil Rights

If I am correct, the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. This means, that, in the Fallout time line, African Americans never received equal rights to whites. Is this addressed anywhere in any game? 69.235.46.104 00:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It was not addressed in any game, but it certainly is possible (or maybe they did, but much later). Ausir 01:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be an area of question, but I don't think it would matter anymore though. Anyone else have an interpenetration on this little conundrum? 69.235.46.104 06:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I always imagined that Civil Rights passed easily, maybe even probably before 1964. It would be a way to reasonably keep the 1950s society going, if African Americans have no reason to organize and protest, no reason to militarize to get rights, ect. then one part of the 1960s cultural revolution would have not have happened. 98.235.86.209 02:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] MacCready becoming mayor of Little Lamplight

Seems we have a bit of contradicting info here.

The official guide states: "He has served as the mayor of Little Lamplight for two years (since he was 10)" and as Fallout 3 starts in 2277 this would mean he became mayor in 2275. However, the timeline states he became mayor in 2274, citing his dialogue in the game. Can somebody verfiy the latter? // Porter21 ^{U | T} 21:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Looked it up, he indeed states he has been mayor for three years at the time of FO3 so I guess that's what canonical. // Porter21 ^{U | T} 21:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I generally consider the guide canon only when it doesn't contradict the game itself (since, while co-written by the devs, it's based on an early build of the game, and has some other mistakes here and there). Of course, it could also mean that McCready can't count properly. :) Ausir 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty plausible Ausir. Seeing as how the only knowledge they have is from what they scavenge from outside, the old books, and what ever is passed down.--JimmyBassatti 21:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Game icons

Please don't add the game icons to the timeline. I was the one who started adding them a long time ago, but now I feel that they're cluttering the page too much and they're unnecessary - the references are enough. Also, why did you add {{Sources}} to the top of the article? Which facts do you think need verification? Adding it to the top of the timeline is not helpful, if you think some facts are wrong, just mention it on the talk page. Ausir 19:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

As it stands the Timeline is unclear. The canonicity of certain details are questionable or simply missing. Every single piece of information should be able to be referenced to a specific game or document; the {{Sources}} is the most applicable code I could find. Ugly references included in-timeline should be cleaned up with <ref></ref> codes. The mini icons are a convenient way to identify quickly which game or document each specific point derives from. This is helpful for those who are building mods or using it at as a reference and wish to discount Fallout Bible or Van Buren timeline references. ABCoLD 19:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

While there are elements of the Fallout Bible which are not considered canon (or at least not entirely), particularly Chris Avellone's Q&A sessions, the Fallout Bible timeline is based on Fallout 1 and 2 design documents, particularly on Scott Campbell and Brian Freyermuth's FO1 timeline and is definitely canon, referenced numerous times by Bethesda as well (and from what I gather from my discussions with the developers, they do consider it canon). There is no reason to discount it, since without it, there wouldn't even be a timeline page.

I guess we could add the icons for Van Buren and Fallout Tactics in order to indicate their non-canon or semi-canon status, but I'd leave the canon sources (including the FOB timeline) without any - only for sources for which we have canonicity warnings in other articles.

Any information that is not referenced is most likely from the Fallout Bible timeline. Ausir 19:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. I would like to leave the {{Sources}} in place though until each entry in the timeline has an appropriate <ref></ref> code. Otherwise it's difficult for new people, or those not fully versed in every facet of Fallout, to be confused as to the source of various claims or statements. ABCoLD 19:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the {{Cleanup}} tag I added is more appropriate. Ausir 19:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thirteen commonwealths

The thing about the division of the country into thirteen commonwealths is something that Leon Boyarsky came up during the development of FO1 and what was behind the idea of the original picture with the flag, so I restored it and changed the ref accordingly. I kept your change of 14 stars to 13 stars, since, while based on a mistake that Chris Avellone made by JE Sawyer and Tramell Isaac later corrected, I guess it is the only version of the flag seen fully in a game, so it's canon now. Still consistent with 13 commonwealths, though, as the middle flag might stand for the Columbia commonwealth that includes the nation's capital. Ausir 23:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't dispute that 13 commonwealths existed, or anything of that sort. I was simply pointing out that the fact that 13 stars are on the flag doesn't mean that there are 13 superstates. It's like stating that because we have three types of Whopper Hamburgers that there are X number of cows. I'd prefer it if the confusion about superstates be kept on the United States page. As it is the timeline seems to mistakenly suggest that the existence of the 13 superstates was definitively proven in the exhibit. (As it stands Bethesda could simply decide that the nation liked the Cowpens flag enough to continue to use it. This seems to be the case, but again is a matter of discussion for the United States page. :) ABCoLD 23:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The timeline diverged some time after WW2, so they couldn't have "continued to use" the Cowpens flag. And Leon Boyarsky did say that the flag was changed because of the reorganization of the country into 13 superstates. I don't see why the flag would be changed first and country reorganized to match it second.

This is not canon, of course, but I tend to think that Richard Nixon won the 1960 election in the Fallout universe and was the one to reorganize the country. Would have been pretty funny to see a big Nixon Memorial in Washington, DC in FO3. :) Ausir 23:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Ausir is right. The Thirteen Commonwealths approach has been STATED by a FALLOUT DEVELOPER to be the one they used when creating the USA in the Fallout world. Your doubts are irrelevant - the devs have spoken, and this is the way it is. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 23:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Admittedly, the 13-star flag being used in the Museum of Technology could have simply been a mistake by the designers, who intended to have the commonwealths and new flag introduced later but forgot to make the Virgo II flag a 50-star one, and just used the only US flag texture they had. I'd assume that it's not a mistake for now, but I'll check with the devs to be sure. Ausir 23:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] References and notes

R & N section is messed up...--Cc123 05:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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2272: Three Dog starts GNR. Is there any concrete evidence to this? All he says is that "even if you disregarded everything I said in the past five years" and that could mean anything; since he's talking about the Enclave, it could mark that he started preaching anti-Eden propaganda in that year.--Amitakartok 20:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outcasts

uhm, something random here i've seen that after talking to some of the people from the citadel in fallout 3 (namely scribe bowditch) that the outcasts left the capital wasteland brotherhood of steel at 2276 so maybe someone can like put it in the timeline if they want 67.122.137.53 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)--67.122.137.53 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] thats the 17th century...

seriously someone needs to change that. 1697 is not the 15th century, its the 17th. i tried editing it but the page is locked -Snufleufugus

Thanks

[edit] Amata

I do not think Amata was born in the same year like the player char. On his 10th birthday she still was 9 or younger because she did not wear a pip boy.

On the other hand, isn't it mentioned that they've been friends since they were born? And do I remember completely wrong when I say that some of the others at Vault Dweller's age doesn't have a Pip-Boy either? -=KAG=-^{The VaultNO} 01:21, November 29, 2009 (UTC)