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Pinnacle Highrise[]
Can someone check the bottom entrance of this location - for me (PC) it says "Pinnacle Highrise"?
If verified, can someone add a redirect page?
-- I've checked just now and I can confirm it does indeed list "Pinnacle highrise" when viewed from the outside of the bottom (6th) floor, but only from that location. However the 21st floor (highest entrance, unless a third entrance exists that requires the jetpack to access or something) definitely says "Ruined skyscraper". I'll leave it open to discussion on which name should be used for the article and which name is a redirect, because I'm honestly not sure on the general rule in this situation. --Thegreatdookutree (talk) 17:11, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
-- I don't really have an opinion on which should be the original and which should be the redirect. But as long as someone else sees the same disparity in names as I do, then at least it's confirmed and someone can sort it out :) Thanks. Mctaff350 (talk) 03:51, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
Nowhere in the building's local map it says "pinnacle highrise", it only says "Ruined skyscraper" on all floors so this is the correct name (changed to it, idk how to change the link). The discrepancy comes from the fact that it is actually a conjoined location - 2 different skyscrapers are connected via a skyway that you are walking through internally (without a loading screen) on the 11 floor. So 11&21 floors - part of the building that's entered from the highway on the 21 floor (ruined skyscraper door), 6&11 floors - part of the building entered from the rooftop of another building on the 6th floor (pinnacle highrise door). 19:35, February 24, 2016 (UTC)
- I see this still hasn't been done. One possible reason is that originally the article was properly named "Ruined skyscraper" but it was renamed to this in December. So (I think) to rename this properly back, we would first need to mark Ruined skyscraper for deletion, then rename this page normally. I've run into this before with other articles. Theoretically you could copy/paste, but you would lose page history. Is there some other reason it still has this name? If not, I will go ahead and do that. -- DeJuanNOnley (talk) 22:40, May 17, 2016 (UTC)
- Update: I marked the old page for deletion to allow proper renaming. Hopefully an admin will read this topic and agree that the original name was correct. -- DeJuanNOnley (talk) 00:41, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Two towers?[]
The description says there are two towers and seems to incorrectly indicate there is actually an interior named "Pinnacle Highrise" (no such interior exists in the game). There are only two exterior doors to this location, one of which does not connect to anything and the other connects to Fallen skybridge. Does anyone have any idea what this refers to? As far as I can tell it is bogus information. You could argue that the Fallen Skybridge connects to an incomplete tower and maybe this was originally supposed to be called Pinnacle Highrise (though again no such phrase exists anywhere in the game aside from on the aforementioned door). Can someone please verify what this phrase refers to? I vote it be deleted. -- DeJuanNOnley (talk) 00:50, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
@DejuanNOnley: Regarding the name (Pinnacle Highrise vs Ruined Skyscraper).
As I have not played for quite some time and this was a fair while ago I could be wrong,but I believe that the confusion is about was that the listed name when the door is moused over is different depending on which door you accessed. When Mctaff350 posted here about seeing a different name I will admit I was definitely confused to say the least but attempted to clarify the situation by verifying it ingame. To quote my response:
"I've checked just now and I can confirm it does indeed list "Pinnacle highrise" when viewed from the outside of the bottom (6th) floor, but only from that location. However the 21st floor (highest entrance, unless a third entrance exists that requires the jetpack to access or something) definitely says "Ruined skyscraper". I'll leave it open to discussion on which name should be used for the article and which name is a redirect, because I'm honestly not sure on the general rule in this situation."
Now it's entirely possible that the developers became aware of the weird inconsistency with the naming and fixed it who knows how long ago. It's also possible that it was an issue with a specific build or for certain people only, or maybe someone at some point had a bugfix mod installed which "corrected" (either accurately or mistakenly) the name. At this point I don't have a clue and I don't currently have the game installed so I'd REALLY rather not choke my bandwidth (and everyone else I share with) by downloading the entire game AND patching it etc just to check if it was (and/or still is) either "two towers connected", "two doors with vastly different interior names listed despite being the same building", or something else.
Now, I know that being the original person to add the location to the Wiki doesn't give me a single iota of authority. However I'd like to request that someone who DOES makes a decision as to what the name will stay as since the amount times I've seen the page deleted and redirected to the new name only to have someone else revert it has started to get a bit silly. I don't even want to call it an "edit war" really because there isn't any hostility or intent to disrupt anything, it just looks like everyone's genuinely confused at this point what the building is, and what it actually is called.
--Thegreatdookutree (talk) 14:18, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
- I really didn't expect to get into a discussion regarding the article name here; this post was solely in regards to the "two towers" phrase. But in answer to your question, no, as of the latest patch, the cell is still named Ruined Skyscraper and it is still a single cell and there is only interior. Nothing has changed. It is two separate buildings when viewed from the outside, so that kind of explains this phrase, but it is poorly worded (door names are not the same as cell names and articles should reflect actual in-game cell names). This is a discussion I've had with admins before and every time I've been told a location article should match the in-game location name. And the in-game name is clearly "Ruined Skyscraper" as of 1.5. One misnamed door should not have caused this much wiki confusion; my guess is the reason for the edit war is actually the game guide which also lists it incorrectly, but the wiki articles should match the in-game name regardless of what the game guide says (another topic which has been discussed to death). -- DeJuanNOnley (talk) 15:25, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Ah, now that does clarify it a bit, though I agree that it's very poorly worded and definitely sounds weird the way it's written. I've just pulled out my copy of the Vault Dweller's Survival Guide and p491 refers to it as "PINNACLE HIGH-RISE (RUINED SKYSCRAPER) (INTERIOR)" but it's listed as one of the Fallen Skybridge secondary locations and looks more like a placeholder, it's also referred to individually as BOTH "Pinnacle High-Rise" and "Ruined Skyscraper" in different paragraphs for the other secondary locations in the area. In addition, the only name given to it in the entire book that I can see is the name mentioned on p491 which is used to label "fig 15.07B" (which is actually the map for the interior cells and as you have confirmed the interior cells are only known as "Ruined Skyscraper).
I definitely agree that the in-game location should be used as regardless of the "official" status of the guide, it's not published by Bethesda themselves and PrimaGuides (and other "official" guides) are known to frequently be wrong, make assumptions so they can avoid leaving something incomplete, or to be using information that's changed upon release. I'd upload a scan or something of the specific page if it might be of use in sorting this out but I don't really know what the wiki's policy on that sort of thing is.
I kinda feel like they chose one name but then chose another name shortly before release and didn't rename everything properly, leaving that one door named "Pinnacle High-Rise" by accident. --Thegreatdookutree (talk) 17:43, May 21, 2016 (UTC)