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GURPS? Edit

Are those Mr. Handy stats using GURPS Robots? They look familiar...208.49.131.4 20:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they're from the original Fallout design document, from back when it was still based on GURPS. See: Mr. Handy design document for the full GURPS stats. Ausir 22:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Handy Mk. II Edit

Do we have any explanation as to why a house cleaning robot had a flamethrower and buzz saw, I mean if it was in an auto-shop or maybe carpentry.

but if it had three manipulators that would make perfect sense, but then all it would do is clobber you to death.

Gooey Twist Edit

When I shoot Wadsworth or Mister Buckingham with the special plasma rifle and turn them into goo they seem to make a weird position when I load a previous save. The combat inhibitor is open the eyes floating in mid air and on a regular basis its thruster seems to go through the middle of the body armour. If I kill it it turns to regular shape. Tested with plasma rifle works, tested with laser pistol does not work, unknown with tesla cannon

type II stats?Edit

what happened to the stats for the type two? it had all the electrical stats and the wieght and everything like the type one, now its gone, what happened to it?Katikar 15:02, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistency Edit

Looks like despite the robot having been developed by General Atomics according to previous games, it is now identified as a RobCo product in FNV. Maybe it was a joint project by the two companies, like Liberty Prime? Ausir(talk) 12:00, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

condensation collectors Edit

The Mr handy robots Wadsworth and Godfrey both can provide you with water using their condensation collectors. Should this be mentioned as a feature of the Mr Handy robots?

FO3/FNV changes? Edit

Does anyone know the reason for the voice change from FO3 to FNV? Going from Stephen Russel's impeccable British to the (imo) odd tinny voice is a bit of a downgrade... Should I assume it's a contract/cost issue, or is it based more on a 'return' to FO/FO2 (haven't played those so I wouldn't know)? Flagcaptured 17:29, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah...Fallout 3's Mister Handys and Gutsys had waayyy better voices than the New Vegas ones...the Mister Gutsy doesn't even sound gutsy anymore... --Bottletopman 23:48, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

comparison pictures Edit

Might it be a good idea to include images of Mister Gutsy and Mister Orderly for comparison? As well as links to each, respectively? PaulReverend (talk) 13:11, September 14, 2016 (UTC)

Oxhorn video Edit

So, this video has brought a fair bit of attention to the page (which may do us some favors in the long term). When you watch it (be warned it is 20 minutes) it does point out some continuity issues as to who created the Mister Handy.

Do we have the sources to confirm or deny a collaboration between RobCo and General Atomics, or are we satisfied that this a solo project by General Atomics, with continuity issues in Fallout 3/NV or do we have another option? Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 00:03, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

I mean, what options do we have exactly? Just declare that the plaque is non-canon? Can we even do that? Paladin117>>iff bored; 00:09, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

If the plaque is the inconsistency, I don't see why we couldn't do that. Maybe an "Inconsistent with timeline" template would do the trick.

I can think of reasons as to why this could be legitimate though, mergers, acquisitions, enhancement work done by RoboCo in later models, so I'm not completely comfortable writing it off completely. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 06:36, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

Not sure Fallout 1, 2 and 4 seem to pin them as GA products. Codsworth constantly praises GA, and the Galleria uses Handies exclusively. NV suggests otherwise, with the plaque, and Handies working in Robco facilities (H&H Tools, Repconn). I wouldnt suggest explaining it as a joint effort unless that is explicitly sugested in a game. I'm thinking that we just explain it as an inconsistency. Skysteam (talk) 13:30, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

I think that the argument that RobCo did not exist when the Handy was created counters any argument about RobCo's involvement in its creation. Therefore I think the page should say that it was created by GA. But that does not mean that RobCo was never involved at all. RobCo may have later acquired parts of the rights, have improved the designs, and/or have separately created the Gutsy model. That last bit is a lot of speculation, of course, but it looks like RobCo was involved somewhere.
To conclude, I think the page should read something like "The Mr Handy was created by General Atomics, possibly with the involvement of RobCo." And then the background section gives more details about the confusion, referring to the many contradicting pieces of evidence. Maybe we can even give it its own (sub)section.
- FDekker talk 20:42, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Well, saying it's 'possibly' with RobCo's assistance is incorrect as we have the plaque and Curie's dialogue saying RobCo was definitely involved. And honestly the only source for Mister Handy's creation date is a design document written for GURPs. So, I'm honestly wondering which version weighs more here. Paladin117>>iff bored; 00:37, October 27, 2017 (UTC)
Good point, I didn't weigh in the validity of the creation date.
It looks like whatever we choose, we're wrong. There's always going to be some inconsistency. Maybe we should ask the developers directly?
(Alternatively) we could go for "Handy was created by General Atomics and/or RobCo", but that feels really sloppy.
- FDekker talk 00:49, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

I was actually wondering the same thing after watching the video, I think we need to Hire Oxhorn to be our in house detective, he does a really good job with most of the content he produces. However, I'm not sure if it should say GA and/or Robco, because there are Robco and GA made Mister Handy's in the game. If they created the first Mister Handy before Robco was around, then "Created by General Atomics, also manufactured by Robco." might be a better way to phrase it. Rebel427 ~ I'll be your huckleberry 02:26, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

But we don't know if RobCo does any manufacturing. It could just be software they do, or maybe they consult. We don't know. Paladin117>>iff bored; 02:38, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

What do we really know?Edit

Game Claim Source Notes
The Mr. Handy was brought to the market by General Atomics International in 2037. Mr. Handy design document How accurate do we consider this source?
RobCo was founded in 2042. RobCo Industries
FO3 Deputy Steel is a RobCo Industry Mister Gutsy robot. Fallout 3 Official Strategy Guide Mr. Gutsies were commissioned in 2077, according to a loading screen.
FO3 Liberty Prime was the first joint project between GA and RobCo. Citadel terminal entries It is unknown when the project exactly started, but since it was created to be used in the Sino-American War it probably started not much sooner than 2066.
FNV There are Mr. Handies patrolling outside the REPCONN headquarters; REPCONN was taken over by RobCo at some point. This is nothing special in and of itself, but raises the question why they didn't use protectrons.
FNV RobCo were responsible for the decision to add many arms to the Mr. Handy. "The 'Hand' in 'Handy'" tour message The plaque does not reveal how involved they were, but does imply that RobCo created the Mr. Handy.
FO4 Codsworth implies that he was made by GA. Codsworth says: "Surely you don't think a little radiation could deter the pride of General Atomics International?" He does not indicate by whom he was manufactured or designed.
FO4 The General Atomics Galleria is "staffed entirely by the General Atomics line of robots". Dialogue with Greeter. Both Mr. Handies and Mr. Gutsies are found here.
FO4 Mr. Handies were manufactured in the General Atomics factory. Not necessarily all Mr. Handies were manufactured here.
FO4 GA were operating underneath the RobCo sales & service center, but were eventually replaced by the military's own workforces. RobCo sales & service center terminal entries Perhaps the building was not a RobCo store before GA were fired by the military.
FO4 Curie, a Ms. Nanny, is RobCo techology. Curie says: "I am the top of the line of RobCo technology. I assure you I am capable of this." A Ms. Nanny is not a Mr. Handy.
FO4 The creator of White, Greene, and Brown is Doctor Edward Gray, who was a senior engineer at RobCo. Supervisor White says: "We are capable of complex analysis and decision-making, a testament to the genius of our creator, Doctor Edward Gray." Edward Gray may have only been responsible for their specific personalities, rather than the robots themselves.

Above is a list with all claims (and sources!) I could find on the source of the Mr. Handy. It includes all claims from Oxhorn's video. Please add new claims if you find them.
- FDekker talk 04:36, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

This says to me that RobCo were certainly involved in Mr Handy, at least as we know them. General atomics invented them, RobCo made design changes that certainly stuck. To say they are the work of one firm or the other would've incorrect, as it is clear both had a hand in them.
I say we don't get hung up on the dates here. The first Handy was made before RobCo existed, but clearly there is evidence of RobCo working on the Handy line.
The date is about as relevant in this discussion as the date of Interplay's winding up and their effect on New Vegas. They may not have existed when NV was made, but their ideas and concepts for VB made it into NV. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 06:59, October 27, 2017 (UTC)
You are right, there is no way around RobCo having been involved with the design/production/engineering of the Mr. Handy. But the dates might show that RobCo only entered the project after the initial release of the Mr. Handy. Then again, I believe that their involvement was substantial enough to claim that the Mr. Handy is a product of both.
That is, I fully agree with what you said.
- FDekker talk 14:57, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

I think it is confusing to say that the Mr. Handy was the result of a "joint project". I would interpret this as RobCo and GA sitting around a table and working on it together, while in reality it was a lot more complex than that, with RobCo joining the project later on. Or perhaps RobCo's involvement counts as a second, individual project, such that they never worked on it at the same time, but incrementally improved each other? But I'd describe that as a "join project" again.
To me it looks like "joint project" is the best solution we have. Which is funny, because that's what we started with.
- FDekker talk 14:57, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

Undoubtly there was contributions by both companies. I suggest we only put information that we are 100% sure of. Something along the lines of "The Mr. Handy was initially created by General Atomics (reference link about Robco not being created yet). Robco was known to have contributed to the design (reference link to plaque, and other Robco involvement info), but the exact relationship between the two companies is unknown". Just spitballing, hoping something sticks. Skysteam (talk)

I think skystream has hit the nail on the head here. I'm going to work on a sandbox re-write and see if I can come up with a solid re-write that fits with the facts at hand. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 17:12, October 27, 2017 (UTC)
best I can come up with. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 18:45, October 27, 2017 (UTC)
Looks good, but I think some references are in order.
- FDekker talk 19:25, October 27, 2017 (UTC)
I agree, looks good. Just needs some references. Skysteam (talk)
Update: LGTM
- FDekker talk 20:02, November 1, 2017 (UTC)

Final affirmationEdit

With the final references in place, are we happy with what we have now per my sandbox? If so I'll transfer over. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 20:16, November 1, 2017 (UTC)

I'd just add a references to the proof of their creation by GA, and the creation date. Other than that, it looks good. Skysteam (talk) 15:16, November 2, 2017 (UTC)
What Skysteam said. Make sure there is one reference for the GA part and one for the RobCo part. You can never be too certain (or maybe you can).
- FDekker talk 15:25, November 2, 2017 (UTC)

The conclusion is that Oxhorn is not qualified to be making lore videos because he makes false claims in his videos and when these are brought to light he refuses to correct his mistakes. --75.128.131.188 05:29, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

That is not the conclusion. Oxhorn's video is not used as a reference, so the correctness of his video is irrelevant. His video is (was) only important to us because it highlighted a good point that we had not thoroughly considered.
- FDekker talk 10:13, December 30, 2017 (UTC)