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QuestionEdit

Hey, I'm having an issue with this quest, in the offices level, both of the cell doors have broken locks, anyone know a way around this situation? Thanks. BH.44

For afaik, this weapon isn't related to any quest since I just got this gun with without a special quest. Maybe you're just looking into the wrong spot. The only locked door I came across was a 'very easy' one, which should open right away, unless you forced it... ~ Flightmare 22:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
There was a Very Hard locked door in that area, but you could walk around it via the room next door :) But yes, not quest-related Dafpants 22:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's a terminal that has a command to "open archive doors" but I had already unlocked both before I backtracked and ran across it, so I don't know what it does. Update to that. In the room behind that circumventable Very Hard door is a Turret Control terminal (Average, iirc), which will unlock the cell doors into the archives.

It's in a room that has a glowing one in it. J5689 21:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

The write-up under Locations is a mishmash of extraneous info and insufficient directions. I'm going to rewrite it.

Greta has the repaterEdit

I went to the Underworld museum to get the repeater. But it wasn't there. I got pissed and went to Carol's place to grap a drink. And there it was, Greta whit the Lincoln's repeater equiped on her. I killed her and got the gun, but why in hell did she have the gun in the first place? Can someone pleace tell me why or confirm this.

I have never seen this by my self. But maybe it was because she is a ghoul, and therefor she didn't get killed by the other ferral ghouls. You know, ghouls don't kill ferral ghouls - ferral ghouls don't kill ghouls. So there is the reason why she got the repeater. But why she took it is a mystery.

Lincoln's repeater has sentimetal valueEdit

Abraham Lincoln is an hero and I feel honored to carrie his weapon in every battle I will find myself in. I have sworn to my self that the rifle will always do the right thing in my hands. And I ask you all to think the same. Nowone who blows up Megaton or enslave people can look up at the sky and say that he/she is the right lord of the repeater. Only a true hero can carrie this weapon, and they who use it to evil have destroyd the Lincoln's repeater forever.

said by: Erlend Nicolaisen, a man of good karma and bad english language (because he is from Norway).

Erlend, its a rifle not the holy grail! Honestly your like Nitpicker and Instamash!
WHAT? The mash is truth! look into the light! glow in its warm potatoey goodness!gun_with_utters 00:03, May 17, 2010 (UTC)Gatling Brahmin
Sorry to piss on your flame but I blew up Megaton + regularly enslave people and I own with this rifle.

"You welcome" said by Erlend Nicolaisen a man of good karma and bad english.

Amen man, amen... said by Jericho619 of the Walls of 619

"I used my Lincoln's Repeater to suspend habeus corpus and torture POWs, Lincoln would be proud."

I used the repetater to kill all of the slaves at the Temple of the Union, all the BoS at the citidel, and all the people in vault 101

Outcast115 00:15, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, Lincoln wasn't really an intentional hero. He did what needed to be done. The Fallout equivalent of A.L. would probably be a slaver who freed all the slaves. Therefore, Erland, you are technically wrong. Lincoln's karma would probably be neutral.--Master of cheeZ 05:16, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Damage??Edit

On the page it says it has 50 damage whilst my gun only has 40 and its in 100% condish what is up with that?

You most likely do not have 100 in Small Guns. 82.117.104.6 01:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I have small guns at 100 and with some perks (I think i got some from @Pointlookout ) mine has DMG at probably 75. Most my chinese rifles get 100 DMG at 100%. Pick the right perks and skills and you can get your file pretty darn good. By the way, I play on PS3 so I'm all legit.

BB? Huh? Edit

I don't see how this is a custom BB gun...

It doesn't use the same ammo as the Red Ryder either, it uses .44 rounds, the same as the Scoped Magnum.

I agree, This should go under Custom Hunting Rifles. Its repaired using Hunting Rifles, and whiel I can see it being a modified Magnum, I just think it would be better if it is listed under Custom Hunting Rifles.

Does the Gunslinger perk affect this weapon at all? It would seem like I get much better VATS targeting from a regular hunting rifle than I do this gun at a distance, but maybe I just haven't been in a good test situation. Nurotic257 20:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Commando Perk affects it, its a rifle. And yes, its a skin of the BB gun.
Did you critical maybe? Idk, just asking... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs   21:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

might have been the psycho wore off

my reservist rifle is def getting a lot of non critical 1-hit kills... can't get any with the lincoln... still testing

sniper rifle sure seems to be armor piercing, can anyone verify?

The weapon is a mix between the BB gun and the hunting rifle.

NOT a Red Ryder referenceEdit

This weapon is not a reference to the Red Ryder BB gun. The only thing it shares is lever action, which was listed at the bottom of the article. This is an actual weapon, not an offshoot of the BB Gun. Fourthgeartapped 03:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

.44 Magnum ConversionEdit

For the record, a .44 Magnum in an original brass-framed Henry rifle would result in a catastrophic failure. There are modern reproductions in rather interesting calibers, including .44 Magnum, but an original would be a very, very bad platform for conversion.

Not to say it's a problem in the game, but I don't anyone trying it. I had a repro blow itself apart with a .44 mag and almost blind the shooter.

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-Mike F

Glowing One Edit

I just retrieved this weapon today with my level 6 character, and was pleasantly surprised that I did not encounter a Glowing One upstairs. Possibly his spawning is dependent on level? It'd be great if someone could confirm 71.245.173.203 21:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)egger

I retrieved it at level 7 I believe, and I did not encounter one either. Just Feral Ghouls. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs   20:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
At Level 16, I ran into several Glowing Ones, but they are no big deal with any kind of advanced weaponry and Skills/Perks -- one-hit kills with my favorite, the A3-21's Plasma Rifle.
Two thing the a3-21 plasma rifle is aswoem and the thing is its the diffculty level that matters im one the level as i post this comment. To change the difficulty press start, setting, gameplay, diiculty, and thats that (XBOX 360)
I was level 10-12 (dont quite remember) and using very easy difficulty and i saw and killed the Glowing One ghoul. I was level 12 and the Glowing One's head was the first I blew off with it. It made me happy.
Level 1-12 you will only encounter Ferals. 12-14 you may encounter Glowing Ones and mostly ferals. 14+ You will encounter Ferals, Glowing ones AND Reavers. I dont know if DLC affects this.
Without Broken Steel, Reavers will not show up, no matter your level.

I was level 6 and didn't have to fight anything. Ghoul mask ftw!

Looks Nancy Edit

Too bright and sunny for my tastes. The light wooden butt is one thing, but the bright gold on it is too far. I re-textured so it doesn't look like such faggotry in the hands of our manly (or, for the females...I don't know. [Insert adjective here]) characters. Go to my user page to see it! - WeHeartKatamari 03:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to be bling, you know? Hehe. Personally, I sold it off and use the Blackhawk. --DarkJeff 21:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Why? This has more damage...And I believe it has better accuracy in V.A.T.S and less spread in real-time shooting. I think You just lost out, my friend - WeHeartKatamari 01:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the Blackhawk does more damage (55), and unlike the leaver-action Lincoln, a six-shooter lets you unload on targets in real time.--AshRandom 01:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, why does it matter what does more damage? Why not just use the gun you like, rather than the one that's the best? The thing is, it's -supposed- to look that way. It was designed especially for Abraham Lincoln, remember that. Would you go to a museum and draw a mustache on the Mona Lisa because you think Da Vinci should have painted a dude? Oh, and don't say "yes" just to be cute, because that's the wrong answer. PlasmaFox 18:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes (You know I'm saying that just to be cute, you know? Nah. Not really, I'm saying it cause I like the idea of the Mona Lisa with a mustache)

The gun has better effect in vats then the blackhawk. And when I got the perk "Comando" who make my Vats mode to hurry up, then I think that this gun is much better then the blackhawk

Not There?!? Edit

I don't know what went wrong, but it just wasn't there for me! Possible bug (I play on 360) Fett 1138 (HoloNet Transceiver) 04:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I have heard that residents of Underworld may sometimes have this weapon. You should check them. Ohno21212 17:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Opinions Edit

  • This is easily the best medium-to-long range Small Guns rifle in Fallout 3 as it combines very high accuracy, high damage, a large magazine, low AP requirements and good durability.
  • Be aware that it uses the .44 Round, Magnum ammo instead of the .32 caliber round used by standard hunting rifles. Ammo will be harder to come by.button_bold.png
  • I would recommend avoiding the temptation to sell this gun (to the liberated slaves for a meager 100 caps), as it is one of the best you come across, able to get non V.A.T.S. headshots easily from across the map. - JCH
  • The scarcity of the ammo keeps me from using it as a main weapon, but the power and of it means I'll use it when out the the wasteland where long sight lines mean I can't use the other AR's with decent accuracy. Defiantly one of the top three weapons in the game.


I have a question regarding the aim of this weapon; the weapon seems to never hit where i am it; it seems :to hit down and to the left in the exactly same way every time making it useless as a freehand sniping :weapon. i have a similar problems with several other snipeing weapons other than the blackhawk. i have :confirmed this by comparing where i am and the bullet hole forms. can i have confirmation of this form :others--99.16.64.88 06:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you have a twitch, so that whenever you shoot you're arm moves so quickly you don't know its moved at all.

Both the sniper rifle and the gauss rifle have a slight in-game twitch in the small time frame between when you click and the bullet comes out. This may be true for other weapons. (Why are you using this weapon freehand anyways? It's main advantage is it's long-range accuracy in VATS, in real time the lever action slows down it's DPS considerably, and it has no scope for far shots that use it's accuracy.)

Unique WeaponEdit

Am I the only one who thinks maybe this weapon should be considered totally unique? It uses .44 rounds and is different from Hunting Rifles and BB Guns. I understand the point about the lever action, but we don't compare every weapon that uses a clip magazine with each other. It is also arguably a hunting rifle as that repairs it. I think it should just be a class of weapon where there is only one available like the Gauss Rifle. --173.24.160.179 22:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Due to Point Lookout bringing in Lever Action Rifles i'd say its a Unique Lever Action Rifle. However it does still use .44 Ammo where as Lever Action/Back Water Rifle use 10mm. So I guess what I'm Saying is this weapon might as well be it OWN Unique weapon. --IDespiseI 19:54, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Reloading Edit

I'm no guns expert, and I'm perplexed by exactly WHAT we're doing when we reload this tinhg. To me, it appears we twist the muzzle, polish it, and load the next round into the chamber. What exatly is going on, especially at the front of the gun? 68.41.145.24 19:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

whats happening i believe is that there is, under the barrel a tube in which the bullets are placed. so ::you twist the barrel to access this tube and the "polishing" is when you place each bullet individually ::in the tube; the lever pushes the bullets from this tube into the chamber. --64.92.0.94 21:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

NO way is that tiny tube holding .44 magnum rounds

We're not talking about bullets the size of Nuka-Cola bottles, here. ".44" means 44/100ths of an inch. In other words, the bullets are less than half an inch wide. They really aren't that huge. And as far as I know (could be VERY wrong here), all lever-action firearms use a tube-type magazine that rides parallel to the barrel and beneath it. 12.204.48.130 08:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well in real life a henry repeater actually fire .44 rimfire rounds so yea.

Winchester 1895

winchester 1895

yes, you are wrong look no farther than the Winchester 1895 which uses a box magazine Outcast115 00:46, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


Mmm, The term repeater refers to the action in which the weapon works, not where the ammunition is located. This action being the lever loads the round from the magazine into the barrel and cocks the weapon in the process ~ basically a manual version of semi-auto' guns today (s' far as I know) -- Daedalus

WHat a gunEdit

I was wandering in the underworld museum. And this ugly ghoul asks me to kill a ghoul girl. So I went to the place where this ghoul girl was. And I shoots her whit the 10 mm pistol. But she did'nt die. And then she draws out the licoln's repeater. Died after three shots. Ohh My GOD. I want that gun. But them my bro said that this gun shouldn't be there. Where is the licoln's repeater ment to be?

  • In the museum history offices in a display case. the first video on the Lincoln's repeater page has an excellent guide on how to get it. But if Greta has it, you'll have to get it from her.

--W00ty32 05:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Why are you so damn illiterate?

Re: Reloading Edit

The repeater has a tubular magazine. This means the cartridges are stored in a tube underslung parallel to the barrel. When reloading, the animation shows the character twisting open the cap, quickly dropping cartridges into the tube, and recocking the weapon. Mingodave 13:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Much obliged Detroit Matt 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

RepairingEdit

Anyone having any issues repairing this with Hunting Rifles after the patch/new DLC? Mr. Sully 04:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

  • If it crashes, you should use the npc regularly, but I wouldn't know, I don't have the new DLC. Nysmus 05:54, 9 May 2009 (EST)

Regarding this gun.Edit

This is NOT a BB gun, but rather a lever-action old style rifle used as a practice rifle at times, but mostly an ornamental gun, you can tell by the iron sight near the back, and the gold plated back end of the barrel. While I agree with WeHeartKatamari, that it IS too bling-blingy, you should consider how is it rust free, compared to the other guns. Also, this shouldn't be unique because what is the base gun? Is there a gun that looks exactly like this, but weaker stats? No, there isn't. Thats why its not unique, there is no original weapon. Well anyway, this is an amazing gun, with amazing damage and looks. What awe-struck me the most is the accuracy, there is no bend at all! I killed a super-mutant brute in one shot, when it was like, what, 100 yards away? Nysmus 06:03, 9 May 2009 (EST)

"Thats why its not unique, there is no original weapon." Doesn't that make it even MORE unique than the supposed unique guns in the game? Mr. Sully 02:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


Unique Lever Rifle?Edit

Isn't this a unique lever rifle? They share the same inventory icon, use the same ammo, and behave similarly. They do have a different skin, which is probably why the article says this gun doesn't have a base item. *edit* Huh, there is no mention of a lever rifle on this site. Someone with GECK should probably add that.24.141.60.184 08:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you using a mod? There is no weapon called "Lever Rifle" in base FO3. There is the BB Gun though, maybe that's what you mean. -- Porter21 (talk) 18:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
A mod called "Weapon Mod Kits" introduces generic lever rifles. That's what he may be seeing. But it's definitely not a Vanilla item. --MadCat221 18:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Ahh that's it then, sorry that was the only mod I was running at the time and I thought it was just the kits.24.141.60.184 19:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

it cant be a unique BB gun because it uses bullets not BB's. Lincolns repeater is pretty much was a unique hunting rifle now its a unique lever rifle --Kirby888 15:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't you get it! It's a Lever-action rifle that uses .44 Rounds and is repaired with Hunting rifles! 68.192.9.90 03:35, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

moved from articleEdit

TipsEdit

LocationEdit

MuseumOfHistoryLowerHalls

The Offices.

MuseumOfHistoryArchives

The ruined archives.

MuseumOfHistoryDisplayCase

The display case.

Lincoln's repeater is located, in perfect condition, inside of a display case in the top floor of the Museum of American History offices. Because it takes some effort to find, below are step-by-step directions. Of course, there is a lot more loot to be had along the way, Ghouls to kill, terminals to hack, etc. This is simply concise directions to the Repeater.

  • Enter the door of the Museum, go around the desk, and into the main chamber of the Museum.
  • Turn left/west past a burning barrel to another barrel by two wooden doors.
  • Go up the stairs and through the center doors.
  • Go to the door to the Offices in the back-left corner of the room.
  • Go up more stairs to a hallway and turn left and then right.
  • Go through the room with bars on it to a large, 2-story room with a staircase.
  • Turn right and go up the stairs.
  • Turn left and go through the hole in the wall into a room.
  • Cross the room to the doorway with the clock on the wall to the right.
  • To the left, just before the door, is the display case up against the left wall.

Now back to the previously written, more verbose directions:

  • The door to the Lower Levels is located to the left of the door to Underworld in the great chamber of the Museum of American History. Fawkes can be found waiting here if the player has progressed far enough in the main quest and has not recruited him yet.
  • The player should head up the stairs to the upper level upon entering the Lower Levels. The ground floor consists only of a cafeteria. The area is inhabited by Feral ghouls and Feral Ghoul Roamers, even glowing ones depending on the player's level and difficulty level. It is worth noting that there is a turret located in a room adjacent to the top of the stairs on the right that will fire upon the player almost immediately. It can be controlled using a nearby terminal. The door to the Museum of History Offices is against the back wall of the upper level, past all the shattered display cases.
  • The Museum of History Offices are also prowled by Feral Ghouls. A player can expect heavy close quarters combat and room-to-room fighting in the area. Various memorabilia relating to Abraham Lincoln can be found in this area; see the article for their exact locations. Through a lightly-locked door of steel bars, there will be an open chamber with a high ceiling: the remains of a library or archives. A ceiling-mounted turret is located in the center of this room, usually occupied by firing on the Feral Ghouls around it. The player can opt to let the turret finish its work before destroying it, but it usually takes quite a while to fell its targets (and the player won't recieve experience). Either way, the staircase in this chamber leads to an upper floor of similar layout to the area below. The Feral Ghouls up here may be wounded or dead due to the turret's attacks, which makes this floor easier to secure. The office in the center of this floor contains the display case that houses Lincoln's Repeater. It is surrounded by Feral Ghouls, so one can expect a fight. The chance to encounter a Glowing one is high, but if the player has already encountered a few on the Lower Levels, there usually won't be another here. Lincoln's Repeater is in the display case at the end of the central room farthest away from the staircase. There is a dead Raider by the display case, which suggests that the player was not the first one to try to retrieve the rifle.

--Kingclyde 23:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Understanding a Weapon's Listed DamageEdit

In the Backwater Rifle article, it is noted that Lincoln's Repeater does more damage than the BR, but according to my gameplay, the BR has a max damage rating of 55. That makes it more powerful than LR. (unsigned comment... please sign with four tildes "~" in the future.)

When you say, "according to my gameplay," you must be referring to the damage displayed on your Pip-Boy screen. This web site does not list damage by checking what is displayed in-game, because that number is modified by many different things, such as your skill, the weapon's condition, and any perks that you may have. In other words, it can be a very different number for different players. The damage numbers listed on this site are taken directly from the GECK, which means they are 100% correct. The GECK allows us to see the actual numbers used by the game engine. The Backwater Rifle does 45 points of damage according to the GECK. Your Pip-Boy may be displaying 55 because of perks that you have (especially the Superior Defender or Ghoul Ecology perks). If you were to equip the Lincoln's repeater in perfect condition, you would find that it does more damage. (I believe the Backwater Rifle has a much higher critical multiplier, however, and it uses much more abundant ammunition, so you should certainly use it if you like it!) 12.204.48.130 08:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

We Want You(r opinion)!Edit

I use a strictly (mostly) vats build, which weapon should i use?--Master of cheeZ 22:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Use the Lincoln's Repeater. It uses less AP than the Back-water rifle. -Anonymous

+ Another reason to use the Lincoln's Repeater instead of Backwater rifle: Get 200 or more Alien Power Cells, trade them to Protector Casdin for 5.56 ammunition. Pickpocket the alien power cells back (by giving one cell to him.) Do this to get like 100K (Yes, 100.000 5.56 ammo) And go to The Pitt, put all the ammo in the ammo press, choose .44 ammo. you get like 9k~ .44 ammo (like unlimited if you shoot much vats and careful.)

There you go; unlimited .44 ammo + easy repairable with hunting rifles. Instead of choosing those hard obtainable Lever-action Rifle's to repair Backwater Rifle.

Lincoln's Repeater >>> Backwater Rifle. (Yes, I done my research and put many information on this lovely wiki.) - Scyther (writes articles as anonymous)

I don't know... x5 crit multiplier is very, very nice mind you.--Grandmaster Chen 16:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

This gun is so good looking and it makes a lovely sound when fired in VATS. Easily my favourite small gun and 5th favourite ammo weapon!

I dont know what to name it Edit

i carry both the backwater rifle and the lincoln's repeater i us the repeater for tough fights and the backwater for lesser enemies to save .44 calibers and and it is still a good gun even if i have to return to point lookout for lever action rifles to repair it with.

Finances..? Edit

uhm.. in the backwater rifle vs lincolns repeater section theres a mistake. where it talks about critical multiplier it says with better criticals high luck and "finances".. and link leads to the finesse perk page. fix this lol.

You could've fixed it yourself, y'know. ~ HAZMAT82 18:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

My Fave Weapon Edit

This weapon in my opinion is better than the backwater rifle 50 compared to 45 plus no spread.For people who dont like this weapon YOU ARE MISSING A GREAT WEAPON....


I totally agree my favorite weapon to :3

If you don't use V.A.T.S., otherwise the Backwater Rifle is the better gun due to the higher crit rate. With the right perks it critical hits nearly 100% of the time which makes the higher damage of the Repeater moot. --ArmeniusLOD 15:32, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


Yeah,But the Repeater does MORE damage with a sneak critical....

Still, though, .44 ammo is pretty rare.Bllasae 21:49, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

You can make .44 ammo in the Pitt. V.A.T.S. addict 13:26, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

the lincons repeater Edit

that gun is good when fighting anything shooting someone in the head with that, huge explosion in the old noggin if someone has the point lookout dlc make sure you have that gun, it will be very effective on any foe, oh and get a lot of stinpacks if u play hard mode.

Why oh why!!!! Edit

Why does SOME people put the backwater rifle does 2points more damage its wrong check the G.E.C.K.... The actual damage is 45

Glitch? Edit

Sometimes in vats, one 'ping' will be super high and fast. after that, the rest of the queved shots fire almost instantly after each other. the animation for the lever doesn't show, either. It's like my character accidentally chambered several rounds and shot them all at the same time. This happen to anyone else? I'm not complaining, it gets me out of vats faster, but it still is very confusing. I don't have an account so I can't sign this, sorry. Just call me Jericho[RCDF(my starcraft id).

I heard that it does ring, possibly on purpose to distinguish it from the hunting rifle. In vats the lever action usually doesn't show anyway. --XG33Kx 23:13, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Can't Find it Edit

I looked everywhere for it! Killed everyone in the underworld and it isn't where it usually is. Help?

Turns out Clover took it from the case before I noticed.

lincoln actually had a gun like this. its in the museum of american history in D.C. in real life. its not a bb gun, its just a repeater. bb guns werent the only repeaters on the face of this planet.

Oldest Gun in Fallout 3? Edit

If this was Lincoln's rifle, wouldn't that make it the oldest gun in Fallout 3? And still able to kick ass better than some of its younger cousins?Spartan007 09:23, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Emits Musical Ringing Tones? Edit

It says in the wikia page that when used in V.A.T.S. it will "emit muscial ringing tones". The only "muscial" ringing tones I can hear are the normal sounds the Level-Action Rifle makes in VATS, and I've tried many times.. I just don't see it. I am playing on GotY Ed. for 360. Anybody else confirm this, or is it just my game?

Its when its reloading, or pulling back the lever thing, its not neccesarily a musical tone, its sounds like it though. CheezeWEEPツ 21:31, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's due to the time dilation of VATS and the normal "ping" sound it makes when firing/ejecting a round. Corinthian-blue 08:13, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

"Bugged scope auto-aim"Edit

remains accurate at long distances by ignoring the bugged scope auto-aim... bugged how? I couldn't find any other details on this. Slinkygn (talk) 02:37, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

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