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Killing assassinsEdit

Is it possible to kill them before they talk to you, and hence avoid further encounters with them, or are the encounters one off things? Does not initiating dialog stop it besides? Zarts 07:10, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well yeah I did. My first encounter with these bastards, they attacked me on sight as I fast travelled to Snyder Prospector Camp. I was able to take all four of them with a single .308 JSP to each of their skulls from my Sniper Rifle. I haven't seen then since though. I think I was about level 12, on VH/HC. --Hydroforge 07:28, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I've only encountered them once, they caused me to fail a quest by killing a person I was delivering something to from the Van Grafts. Haven't seen them since.-- 18:49, December 11, 2010 (UTC) Lol, that means the assassin's killed a Legion Fumentarii 15:45, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't encountered them in the Mojave since I went to the Fort with Boone and killed Caesar and all the other legionnaires there. MC93 Medic!! 20:27, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think it only happens once, if you kill Vulpes when you get to nipton then it will be staged at a set point, later on if you become vilified by the legion they can appear anywhere, it is not a bad thing to get the encounter anyways as they are carrying alot of gear and can score you a sniper rifle and a hunting rifle right off. The best way to do this is to kill Vuples and then when you get to the bridge in front of wolfhorn ranch there will be 3 caravans, and 4 legionaries waiting in ambush, the legionary assassins will attack from the far right bilboard and if you play your cards right the legionary assassins will kill all the caravans and possibly the ambushing legionaries will die in the battle, either way youl get a ton of gear to keepr sell.

HoldMahBallZ Edit

i got attack by the assasins the same time as a group of vet. rangers attacked me instead of fighting me they killed each other and then i finished of the last half dead vet. ranger.i then looted a 12.7 smg, thermal lance, 2 anti matirial rifles, a ripper, centurian armor , and a light machine gun. they didnt stand a snowballs chance in hell level 30, remnant power garmor/helmet, and the gobi scout rifle with jsp ammo

Cool story bro, but nobody cares.

Needs update Edit

It looks like the last patch has finally managed to solve most problems with these guys (I'm referring to they not reappearing or just not appearing in the first place). I've begun a new gameplay recently, got bad rep with Caesar's Legion and then the guys started to attack. Just a few thoughts of mine:

  • They seem to have spawn points near the Colorado River. I usually get attacked when traveling close to the area (i.e. around Nelson). Logical since they're supposed to cross the Colorado in order to attack you.
  • They're using more advanced armors now: vexillarius' and centurion's to be exact. They've attacked me several times and usually come in groups of five: two with prime legionary armor, one with vexillarius and another two dressed as centurions. I'm not at a high level (first attack was at level 7-8 if I remember correctly).
  • Other weapons not mentioned in the article: hunting rifle and .44 revolver.

Needless to say at low levels they put a pretty tough fight, specially if you haven't picked any companions yet (luckily for me, I had ED-E by my side). I'm not editing the article cuz I suppose it's preferable to have this confirmed by more people Pecadorcillo (Talk) 00:41, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I had the same thing happen to me on the Xbox 360 version, bellow level 10 and unfortunately I am now getting near constantly harassed by these guys. All I have is boon and the Ratslayer at this point, so these guys are becoming a real pain in my ass.

Ran off/disappeared Edit

I ran into them when I was heading out of Red Rock. They destroyed me as I'm lvl 18 and don't have high end weapons right now. Anyway, next I'm near Sunset Sasp. HQ on that Highway trying to get to the Ranger base past Red Rock and they attack again. Well, one guy. No idea what happened. --Pyoobez 09:03, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I experienced something similar near Ranger Station Charlie. I suppose a group of them spawned nearby to attack me but got distracted by some molerats and forgot their previous goal. I could even talk to some of them, getting the usual chat legion characters give to a neutral "dissolute". But when I talked to the leader (always a guy wearing the prime armor and decanus helmet) they somehow remembered who their target was. Notice that I had to talk to him directly, not just approach him or display any kind of weird behaviour in front of him. If you get enough neg rep with the Legion (you usually notice it when every legion guy starts attacking you on sight) that problem is obviously no longer present.
Anyway, sometimes when the guys get distracted, they seem to break formation and start to randomly spread out, so I suppose what happened to you is that the group just spread enough for only one of them to acknowledge your presence (that or the rest got killed by fiends or wild animals) Pecadorcillo (Talk) 21:21, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay these fuckers just don't stop appearing. Is there any way to solve this im getting low on caps cuz I have to repair my armor every time they attack me.

They even appear in ncr territory yesterday i was finishing the helios 1 mission and they appeared at the top of the tower.

This is how it's supposed to be, I think. They didn't appear before the last patch (or stopped appearing after their first attack) due to coding errors. Now that's been fixed. Looks like getting the big factions angry early on the game has become quite dangerous (as it should be). Besides, they also provide you with two awesome centurion helmets each time :) PS: the issue at Helios 1 tower may had happened cuz they have a spawn point near that area, almost in the southernmost point of the dry lake (filled with fire ants), they usually appear there when you're heading north from Novac, but maybe they can also see you if you get to a nearby high visible spot, such as that tower Pecadorcillo (Talk) 23:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, since the latest patch I've been getting a group about every time I use fast travel. Their strength is a bit over the top at level 40 with the Honest Hearts and Dead Money DLC, too. Definitely doesn't seem right, these guys make Deathclaws look like chumps.

Oh yeah! Edit

Every time i run into a squad of the fuckers they have Vexillarus with both carbine types. I should start making a tally of how many vexilla kill!

Disguise? Edit

I put on some legion armour and they seem to leave me alone. The leader still runs up to me and tells me to defend myself, but does not attack. If this can be confirmed by other players, perhaps it should be put on the main page as a tip?--Uzetaab 01:49, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nonsensical leveled lists Edit

Two of the assassins seem to have borked leveled lists regarding armor, which was immediately apparent once I was ambushed by the assassins, two of which were sporting Centurion armors at level 7. :/

I checked the lists and it appears that both VEFR02LegionThugLeaderCM "Legionary Assassin" & VEFR02LegionThug02CM "Legionary Assassin" have Centurion Armor listed at levels 1-14 and weaker versions of legion armor at levels 15 onwards (Veteran and Praetorian, respectively). Needless to say, that doesn't make any sense (since the list should go the other way around, i.e. weaker -> stronger, not vice versa) and could be seen as an oversight.

In addition, one of the assassins uses LLCLCenturionMeleeWeapons leveled list (which means that they have a 66% chance of wielding a Super Sledge and 33% of melting your face with a thermic lance as soon as lvl 1).

Insolentius 17:50, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

This seems to be true. They stopped wearing centurion armors when I reached ~ level 15, then one of then starts using a praetorian armor and the other a typical veteran armor. They're still extremely dangerous though, and in certain ambush spots, if you don't have ED-E with you they'll probably start kicking your ass before you even notice. There's a specially violent spawn point, under the bridge inmediately south of Grub n' Gulp rest stop... if you approach the place from the north it's very possible that Fitz may also engage them, which usually leads to him getting brutally killed. Well, to be fair, at level 25+ anything that manages to get between them and their objective is pretty likely to get butchered -- Pecadorcillo (Talk) 23:00, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yavorovich 07:38, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

My first playthrough. Latest Steam patch. Legions is already hate me, I already level 11 (I use leveled down mod to earn only 50% of XP - just my prefers, nothing else...). First meet Assassins when going from Techatticup Mine to Nelson - they where on the hill if looks from mine entrance to Nilson direction. I was at level 9. Two assassins wears strong armor (Centurion and something else) with strong weapons. But two others was undressed - no armor, no dress - just shorts! The second time I meet Assassins (at level 11) - before the bridge near Grup n' Gulp Rest Stop. The same situation - two with no armors and weak weapons, and other two have good armor and strong weapon (one with Super Sledge Hammer!). In both cases they didn't speak with me at all and was passive for me - not red. I just go to them and spend for 20 secs after they start to attack me. HOW TO FIX THIS ISSUE? As mentioned before - at level 15 they will change their items list, but what to do before that? Its not the problem to kill them, but looting overpowered items is not what I'm looking (I like smooth game, with slow power increasing - not to earn one of the best gun at the start...) So for now I just kill Assassin and leave loot on their bodies. If someone make a mod-fix for Assassins - please put the message hear. Thanks.

I made some changes to their leveled lists (so that they start off with weaker armor and slowly move onto stronger versions as my character levels up (their level multipliers are 0.90/1.00/1.10). I also changed their weapon lists which makes them improve their loadouts on levels 10-18-25 instead of 8-15-23 (with some minor modifications for each of the assassin type (as per my own take on the balance)). These changes can be done easily by using FNVEdit (their FormIDs are listed on their wiki page).
As for the Super Sledges and Thermic Lances on one of the assassins, you could either edit the weapon conditions at specific level thresholds (meaning, at lower levels, he'd wield a SS with extremely poor condition etc.) or simply add different melee weapons (this is going to change the melee weapon loadout of the actual Centurions as well).
Insolentius 14:06, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
Could you upload your changes somewhere? I have experience with using FNVEdit (each yime I add MOD - I check compatibility and make changes if needed) but now I could make incorrect edit since I still on first playthrough and dont familiar with whole equipment. Thanks.
Yavorovich 16:52, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded the .esp to the NVNexus site. Here's the link Feel free to further modify the lists if my take on the balance doesn't suit you.
Insolentius 22:27, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice thank you for the fix.

Frequent Attacks Edit

For some reason i get these guys appearing EVERY 1-2 fast travels. Its useful for weapon and armor repairs, and XP. But i can no longer fast travel to a location with NPCs present or else they will die. Is that suppose to happen? I dont remember it being this frequent on my other playthroughs--Mr.Orange 10:19, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed the attack frequency getting out of hand too since the last patch. Before, it would only happened once, which was apparently a bug. Now it seems to happen constantly and frankly it's annoying. One always has a sniper rifle and another has a brush gun. Even with me wearing power armor they're a pain to get rid of. Rooker75 08:18, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Noticed the same thing here. They attack me after almost every fast travel and when walking around I am attacked by them every few in game hours. Just got attacked twice in less than 24 in game hours. :P Gary 42 14:04, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Every. Frigging. Day. Even 2 or 3 waves of them. In McCarran. In the Strip. In Vikki and Vance. In the frigging Fort. In the Hidden Valley Bunker. I don't get it. -The Polar Bear lives 03:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

I started fast traveling to farm their equipment. They seem to reliably spawn near these locations: South of Chance's Map, South of Highway 95 Viper's encampment, Northeast or Northwest of Jack Rabbit springs, South side of overpass Southwest of Grub n' Gulp. They killed off the vendors at Grub n Gulp, so I loaded a save just before and then traveled to Cassidy Caravan wreckage so they would attack me instead of the vendors. GRPeng 20:15, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

  • I just need to confirm this with others, When you fast travel to Ranger Station Charlie, do the assassins appear to the west? Right near some radioactive barrels? This seems to be the case every time I travel there.

Once I kill them all, I also go inside the station to sleep for exactly 24 hours. Once I go back outside, they reappear once more. It keeps happening until I kill them and just fast travel afterwords instead of sleeping inside the Station. So far it has only happened on xbox 360, I've played multiple files with this scenario and it's all the same. It's a good way to obtain loot, most of them have Marksman Carbines and Brush guns at my level (35) so this could be an exploit, granted you have you no problem fighting them all every time.

  • I only get them every 2 or 3 days, but for some reason, they keep doing the first message you get over and over again from the Decanus. Is that supposed to be done? --NuclearAnamoly 00:51, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

On the PC, when it has been long enough and I fast travel to RS Charlie I am facing West at the entry. They spawn behind barrels across the road to the East Northeast. This feedback is nice. It seems to be that they will spawn any time you fast travel into the area around the Legion Raid Camp: Broc flower cave, Ranger Station Charlie, Highway 95 Viper's encampment, Snyder Prospector Camp, and Wolfhorn Ranch. Traveling to the Legion Raid Camp will not cause them to spawn there but leaving the area in any direction will. When I fast travel to Snyder Prospector Camp, the Decanus spawns a few seconds later in the opposite direction of where I was facing after fast travel, just to the North behind the rock. Even at 100 Stealth, crouching, and using a Stealth Boy, the Decanus will trigger Caution mode and said "show yourself and I might let you live." So out of mutual courtesy I reverse pickpocketed an Incendary grenade when it went back to Hidden. About it being an exploit, very much so if you have done Dead Money and use chips for 55 Weapon repair kits. A few waves of assassins can get you weapons worth 60k of caps. GRPeng 19:51, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Trying to avoid NPC deaths? Try fighting first Edit

I like to fast travel to RepConn HQ, face towards NCR Ranger Safehouse, wait 3 hours, they pop up, 25mmHE & 5mmAP + ED-E blue Laser = 900 dollars in stuff, then I run around...I'd try to go ahead n wipe em out, then go running around Grab Gulp and Npc areas.

After you confront Benny you get the mark of Caesar, which will stop this until you piss off the legion next time. (Lvl 18,Hard, HardcoreMode)

No more legion assassins? Edit

I notice when I was wearing an NCR armor and they never appeared from their usual spawning spot, but if I wear any non faction armor, they appear almost immediately!

A very good observation. If I wore NCR or Legion armor, the assassin squad would not appear after I fast traveled into a spawn area. Legion armor does mean that any NCR friendly faction will attack if they are close enough. A caravan at the Grub n' Gulp would not stop attacking me when they noticed me wearing Legion armor even if I changed to NCR. I had to run away and wait until their disposition reset before I could buy again. GRPeng 22:28, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

I only encounter Four, not Five. Edit

Can anybody else see how many assassins appear? I've counted 4 every time I get attacked. A Vexillarius, Veteran, Vet Decanus, and Praetorian. I'm level 35 and pretty vilified. --Felix BrehhUser Avatar talk 22:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Never been more than 4. This is on xbox. My brother is playing on PS3, he has encountered assassins three times. 4 guys each time.-- 13:10, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it's time to fix the error on the page then. The other guy must have run into a non-assassin and thought he was part of the group.

No legion assassin Edit

I have never encountered them before is there any reason why? I have killed all of Fort and am vilified by them.


Just a bug, you can add it to the bug section if you want, in case others are having the same problem. --Felix BrehhUser Avatar talk 01:13, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I have the same problem, i have completed the game countless times and i was NCR 3 times, still i have never ran into any (nor have i gotten the NCR emergency radio).

What platform and version? As noted in other sections, you will not get assassins if you are wearing faction clothing/armor. I got the radio my first time through without even trying for it. I was working on reducing the number of open quests at McCarran and the Ranger Stations before starting Dead Money and someone trotted up and gave it to me. GRPeng 04:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Frequently annoying attacks Edit

Okay, can we at least get a patch to reduce or even better, a patch to just stop them coming all together? They now attack frequently and it's really starting to become a nuisance. Avoiding them is out of the question, and i'm afraid to o any of the quests if they're outside in the Mojave in case any NPCs die. This is on the 360, does anyone else have this problem? It's so annoying that i have stopped playing the game for a while now as no new patch or update stops them.

I'm having the same problem. They attack me every few in-game hours, causing me to just scream "SERIOUSLY?!" again an again and again... We do really need a patch. I can't go anywhere without them screwing things up. Willbiteu 02:20, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I play on the PC. They spawn when you travel adjacent to specific map squares after 24 in game hours. My experience is they will not spawn if you are wearing faction clothes/armor. GRPeng 16:46, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I love it, these assassin battles are like I'm fighting a war! If anything, I wish the NCR hit team did the same for my legion characters! Stem09 03:42, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Great Source of Income, if you can take them Edit

You should clear a couple thousand caps easy when you take on these guys and kill them quickly (and loot all their good weapons and maybe armor). The catch is you need to be on good defensive terrain.

Once I was taking out some Deathclaws north of New Vegas. Got a couple. Just as I finished checking the entrance, a Legion hit team shows up. Took out two of them with my AMR, the rest didn't get good shots as I'm half in this hole. Whipped out my SMG and hosed them down.

Another time, I just arrived at the Grub and Gulp when a legion hit team showed up, slaughtered just about EVERYBODY including a Brahmin, various merchants and prospectors sleeping, AND the two proprietors. Kschang 01:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

The overpass south of the G&G is sort of a known spawn point. If you fast travel to Cassidy Caravan wreckage, legion team will usually move away from the G&G so you can avoid their deaths. I like to carry a half dozen raider corpses about 20 yards south of the electrical tower so they will be busy fighting each other after fast travel. That way I can pick them off with CCOSSR. GRPeng 02:26, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
Typical hit team loadout for a level 40+ character (they do scale, right?)
  • Brush gun and ammo with ripper
  • super sledge and 12.7mm SMG
  • high end energy weapon (plasma defender, tri-beam laser rifle, etc.)
  • Marksman Carbine
  • grenades, mines, etc.

Even with barter in the 30-40's you should still clear over 2000 caps. Kschang 18:55, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Annoyance Edit

Everytime I fast travel somewhere, they're there waiting to attack. It happens like every 5 minutes. Is there a way to prevent them from coming? -- 22:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wear a faction armor, just not something that will cause the NCR to attack you or you could have both sides attacking. It is not every five minutes, it is 24 hours in game. My experience is they only spawn around four or five cells, these are the ones I remember right off (and might not be exact): between Grub n Gulp and Cassidy Caravan wreckage, Chance's Map and Bonnie Springs, El Dorado Gas & Service and Boulder City, Ranger Station Charlie and Legion Raid Camp, Jack Rabbit Springs and Emergency Service Railyard. The last two might be considered one location, I did not experiment enough to be sure. GRPeng 02:39, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

They won't give me a break. Edit

I encounter a group of legionary assassins like literally every ten minutes, which is especially annoying, since it's a newly created character and a majority of them is heavily armored. Is it some kind of bug or are they intended to harass low level players with sledge hammers and centurion armors and that the next group of assassins starts running as soon as I managed to get rid of the last one?

I'm not asking for an advice how to beat them, since I'm able to handle it by myself, but I'm highly confused if they're supposed to encounter you that frequently and if you're supposed to be able to loot weapons like sledgehammers from their corpses as a low level player? They've never spoken a single word to me by the way, although I'm currently encountering the 5th group in 40 minutes.

  • //edit: Just got my first thermal lance, sniper rifle and super sledgehammer before reaching level 10. ...

Patch this garbage. Edit

Okay really? It took them patch 1.4 to fix the Julie Farkas-NCR alliance thing, but they still can't fix the frequent attacks that make the game annoying? They probably won't anyway.

Its part of the game silly!--James9883 (talk) 03:33, October 4, 2013 (UTC)james9883

This is NOT a part of the game! When I first played, early in the patches, the legion assassins were slightly tough but not unmanageable. Now replaying and they're vastly more difficult. Under level 10 and being hit by super sledges and thermal lances, and none of the guns I have do much damage at all (need to use more armor piercing which are rare so far). None of the merchants at this point in the game have the money to buy some of this stuff. And every single time I go north from Gibson Scrap Yard they spawn, sometimes killing me, sometimes killing merchants then coming for me. I have no doubt here that this is a bug. My advice, find a mod to disable these guys, at least until level 15. --FrustratedVeteran108.225.190.76 07:05, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Easy way to get rid of them in Ranger station Charlie Edit

I encountered these bastards in Ranger station Charlie and I couldn't take them since I wasn't powerful enough yet plus I was a melee character. When I tried to fight them they would always kill my companions. You know you can easily avoid them if you fast travel somewhere else before they talk to you since they are not hostile yet. Even funnier way of getting rid of them is to just get back in to the Ranger station Charlie before they talk to you. When you get out they will be gone, since you have gone to somewhere else according to the game.--Player8 (talk) 15:15, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Not completely true Edit

I think the sentence "If your reputation with Caesar's Legion is vilified, it appears that the dialog with the assassins no longer occurs, even with the Terrifying Presence perk." needs to be reworded since the assassins still initiate dialog with me, even though i have been vilified with Caesar's legion for half the game. So it may happen to some people, but this sentence is written like it'll always happen. {{SUBST:Signature|Kennyannydenny}} 10:12, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Same expiriance i having, been vilified whit my frst character and they initiate dialog evry time. Best way to evade problems whit them is to just sneak atack them from moment you see them, save Steady becouse is real belsing especialy in begining agenst them. Some pleaces near Deadglows are horor for fast travel it hapoen to me assassin attack after loding screan and Deadglows where there in split sec. 11:27, May 11, 2014 (UTC)NEVER BoRN (talk)