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Dead Money

Why does it say he was in DM? Can`t remember anyone metion him there! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notseanconneryandwillsadlyneverbe (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Book of Mormon

I havent played it yet, but I thought the Book he was reading was a bible, not a book of mormon. The Book of Mormon wouldn't have a cross on it as we do not use the cross as one of our symbols, or is a mistake by the developers? 5t3v0 07:16, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, or is it just a part of the trailer? Because if so, then I guess it would be safe to say its a bible 5t3v0 07:17, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

It is a Bible, which I thought was odd. While the Bible is indeed an important part of LDS doctrine, it is the Book of Mormon that makes us Mormons and not just Christians. Perhaps they thought it too controversial to place in game, and didn't want to deal with the repercussions. (i.e. "Mormon propaganda in new Fallout add-on...OH NOES!!!") --~Bana 22:03, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

The book does appear in the game as the item named Scripture, the fact that they call it scripture and not the Bible says something. What the book is, is anyone's guess, but there is no definitive canon source on what it is as of yet. The best solution is to refer to it as it in-game name (ie: scripture), as this can cover the Bible as well as other books, and to save any confusion and/or arguments.

01:59, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, well then that settles it. It was probably just the cross that made it seem like it was a Bible, considering that Mormons have never used the cross as a symbol. --~Bana 22:03, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

This is a mature question. Were Caesar and Joshua Graham lovers?

When I asked Joshua about Caesar with the dialogue option, "I'm guessing you don't like Caesar very much." He said, "Love the sinner, hate the sin. With Caesar, it's often very difficult to see through all that sin to the person inside." The way Caesar and Joshua seemed very touchy about the subject and it's rather odd how Caesar has no heirs. 67.169.175.134 02:07, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well homosexuality and Mormonism is not a new concept. Despite the way things seem now, same-sex attraction and even same-sex relationships occupy a very significant place in Mormon culture. And the fact that a Mormon missionary would help recreate a society notorious for it's "immoral" ways leaves one to think that he must have had some other motive beyond academic interest alone. ~Bana 22:04, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

I also thought their was some other motive for Joshua to help Caesar, and due to the sings that was the only logical motive I can think of. 67.169.175.134 02:07, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

That could explain Caesar's hate towards homosexuality. Most gay-haters are gays with inferiority complex or smth like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.73.233.227 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Bandages Removed!

It says: "If you ask him a "personal" question about his bandages, he says that every day he has to remove the bandages he wore the previous day and put on fresh ones. He mentions the pain he feels when he takes the bandages off, saying it feels the same as when he was set on fire and tossed into the Grand Canyon." And I think: poor guy. --Ranger Breasly 00:07, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Image

There seems to be a bit of a revert war going on with regards to which image we are using on this page with no proper discussion, so I thought I'd centralise things and make it so we can all have a sensible discussion here. The three candidates for image are as follows:

You'll notice I've put them in a gallery format so that we are better-positioned to consider their relative merits. Obviously I am biased - if I could see the advantages of either of the other two images over my preferred one then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all - so feel free to add to the "Why" and "Why not" reasons, and possibly alternative images to the gallery. For posterity I will include the reasons I originally put in the gallery as a permalink [1]. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 20:08, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

The one on the right that Itachou likes. Uniform with most other character articles on the wiki. I also think the left one is the worst of the lot. Great Mara 20:10, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

The infobox image should be in .jpg format, 4x3 dimensions, not include mods and only requires head and shoulders (since the body are pretty much generic models).

20:20, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, the one on the left could also be considered to have that "talking head" style, if you consider that the first time you meet Graham he is reloading his guns while you are in dialogue with him. Out of curiosity, is there any set policy on what kind of image we use in characters' infoboxes? Because sometimes we use concept art, sometimes we use full-body renders, sometimes we use what GhostAvatar describes and sometimes we just use a picture of the character doing something cool. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 20:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Bullshit. The image should be in PNG as JPG is a lossy format.

_Tagaziel ^(call!) 20:25, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

.png's losslessness is only really an advantage for small images like icons, or if you want to use a transparent image. The file size in .jpg images is far better in terms of compression and the amount of loss can be mitigated by a good image editor. Also, can we discuss how much of the character the image should show? Tazagiel originally removed the image on the left in favour of a lower quality image because it showed more of the character, but this contradicts GhostAvatar's statement that it should be head and shoulders only, as well as Tazagiel's later image preference. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 20:32, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘It terms of lossy versus loseless, .jpg files on low compression rate has no discernible difference in quality to the naked eye. However they do have a marked difference in size, resulting in more bandwidth being used by the viewer (ie: download-time). That is why it is the preferred image format, but not the de-facto image format in these cases. 20:37, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't PNG generally favorable to JPG because it is of higher quality? Yuri^{(Leave a message!)} 02:09, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

The quality difference is negligible with a large, well-compressed .jpg file. That's why .jpg files are used for photos. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 02:11, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Overall, all Wiki favors PNG and all sites in general. PNG is the best format that keeps the maximun usable information on the images, unlike any other format like gif, jpeg etc. but this is not an obligation.

For the image of the character in general, the talking head style would be the best because it corresponds perfectly to the Fallout style (and that's usually the format used for other characters), the rest (4:3, 16:9 etc.) is for me completely optional. The use of mod should be banned, they are unofficial and they distorts the original style and quality desired by the developers. Itachou ^[~talk~] 14:09, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

And why, exactly, is that listed as part of the "why nots"? If it is so negligible, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. After all, wikis have an infinite amount of space which can be used to add any sort of content, so .PNG's larger file size doesn't matter in the long run. Yuri^{(Leave a message!)} 14:34, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

The space on the wiki isn't the issue here, it's the loading times of pages. We need to be thinking about readers who don't have high-speed browsers, or use mobile internet. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 14:45, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm Jealous

Of the fact that only the PC players will be able to make a mod to wear Graham's bandages.

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 :::::The space on the wiki isn't the issue here, it's the loading times of pages. We need to be thinking about readers who don't have high-speed browsers, or use mobile internet. --[[User:Lugiatm|Lugiatm]] ([[User talk:Lugiatm|talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Lugiatm|contribs]]) 14:45, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
+== I'm Jealous ==
+Of the fact that only the PC players will be able to make a mod to wear Graham's bandages.