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Why on earth!!!

Unless he's infiltrating some sort of high-tech vault,Or it's the only clothes he can affordLOL

If anybody finds out please tell me because im BAFFLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Tommygunner32 21:48, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Simple, it continues the tradition, Fallout Wiki Dweller started with one, the Chosen One whore the same suit, the Lone wander had one from the last remaining Vault in DC, and the Courier has one from the Last functioning vault in Nevada. (Troper of the Wastelands 17:50, August 6, 2011 (UTC))

Probably because the Courier's own clothing was damaged in the firefight that ended with his apparent death, or because it was damaged when Mitchell was patching him up. Since Mitchell /was/ a Vault Dweller, he probably had the suit laying around and had no use for it.

Ok, I guess that's a good explanation but still why not some normal clothes you know.Tommygunner32 14:32, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

probably thought it would be funny to give the brain damaged guy the silly clothes, same reason I throw pies and the downy kids at the play parkMr Habberdasher 16:47, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

except that neither one of you examples is brain damaged, one's been shot, and the other has a genetic mutation (actually both probly do), anyway, be careful wat you say about or do to ppl with downsyndrome or that dumb violent b**** Sarah Palin will shoot you from her helicopter D-= Andrew-108 12:56, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

changing

i hope this character is more flexible than in the last game, i would like to c the ability to become a ghoul plzUrdnotgrunt 05:38, March 20, 2010 (UTC)Urdnotgrunt

How is he more akin to the previous characters? Just curious. Jack the drifter Vance 03:00, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

He/she may be realated, seeing as the Lone dude/dudett had nothing to do with the vault dweller and/or the chosen one, who were reatated. Or the fact that he/she may meet people (supermutant/talking head/whatever) either of the the first two PC's met or he/she goes places (vaults/towns) where either of the firstt two may have been.

JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"

Ghoul background ??

I just read a website and apparently THIS has been comfirmed:(This is an extract out of the page i read)

Similar to Dragon Age: Origins, at character creation the player can select from different background stories. The first few hours of the game are different depending on which background you choose, and you get some unique perks based on your background when the main game begins.

One background story is shown, Chinese Agent. The background story takes place before the bombs fell. The player is part of a team of Crimson Dragoons infilitrating Hoover Dam. You manage to sneak through the Americans' defenses, set explosives, and head to an extraction point, but your escape is cut off by American soldiers in Power Armor. The player and other survivors of the Crimson Dragoons take refuge in a cave in the canyons, where they commit hari kari with cyanide capsules. The player about to do the same when the bombs fall. The background story ends an indeterminate time later, when the player exits the cave, removes his helmet, and sees his ghoulish reflection in the waters of the Colorado River.

The background story segues into character creation. The player can customize the appearance of the ghoul, and you see you start the game with two unique perks. One, similar to the Ghoul Mask in Fallout 3, makes Feral Ghouls non-aggro. The other makes the player immune to radiation sickness and allows the player to discharge accumulated radiation in a blast similar to a Glowing Ghoul, healing the player and any mutants while damaging all non-mutants in range.

By default, the Chinese Agent has the skills Sneak, Small Arms, and Explosives tagged and SPECIAL stats set, although the player can modify their tagged skills and stats if they don't like the template. - Tommygunner32 - _talk 17:29, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

This is not true. This is a hoax. Magazine reviews say that there is only one storyTezzla 18:07, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Complete bullshit. Jackass2009 04:19, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, total bollocks. RadRuler 00:18, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

But it really sucks that they could have put an option to make the Courier a ghoul (You're not from a Vault), but it would have made the game easier (Feral Ghouls would not attack you and RADIATION WOULD ACTUALLY HEAL YOU, which would make Rad-X and Rad-Away completly f#%king useless). - Texas Ranger 02:16, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

G.E.C.K

what if he was transporting a G.E.C.K? and was "killed" because of that

Then good riddance to that GECK. A GECK would need more than an NCR battalion or hundreds of Caesar's men to move safely. No one would be stupid enough to give a single man a GECK. Nitty ^Tok. 12:13, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Not quite. An army like that is a huge and noticable target, and it would be clear that they have something important. One lone person, theoritically, is a lot harder to find, clearly doesn't need as many resources as an army, and I don't think it would be out of the ordinary to find individual people with packages. Obviously, the people after the package knew what they were looking for, which probably means that there's some kind of traitor in the ranks of whoever gave the Courier the packages. Konork 02:49, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, considering you'll probably kill armies of mutants, raiders, etc. (if you're combat oriented), i think the guy who gave you the package made the right decision.

Tycho Fallout 1 refrance

"A man in dusty leather armor with a trenchcoat and gas mask". That's Tychos description from Fallout 1 He's also said to be wearing goggles in the fallout bible. Before you think I'm grasping at straws His family originates from Nevada and he actually mentions Vegas a few times. Maybe The Courier is a Desert Ranger.

Me personaly, I'm pretty dissapointed there weren't any references to some 'Old Man Tycho', or even any evidence that the Dessert Rangers existed pre Ranger Treaty outside of a reference or two during Honest Hearts

Speculation

As a story writer, I can assume few things about this man, I doubt he'll know who shot him or what happened, probably suffer from an anesmatic attack which is when the character customization will come in, being able to choose a new name and stats, and probably later in the game he'll remember, based on karmic choices what happened and who he used to be (with some solid definitions) just wanted to leave this here, and see if anyone would agree, or back this up with info Zachariah Zuan 18:03, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I can guarantee it's not going to be that. For one, character creation happens in Mitchell's office. Two, Obsidian's not going to do the typical "amnesiac hero". Three, what kind of writing do you do? _Tagaziel ^(call!) 20:02, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

mostly works, fantasy, stuff like fallout, mostly fanfics, I just know how characters evolve how they work, I've gotten to the point that I can tell what a characters like by looking at em (/boast) but yeah I don't see any other way to pick a new name, and stats unless he somehow forgot his name Zachariah Zuan 21:16, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Strelok forgot his name. He was even on a quest to kill himself, because he didn't know who he was. Nitty ^Tok. 21:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I have a hard time taking you seriously, Zachariah. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 22:10, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh? well thats okay, btw to make things clear i'm not like a successful writer, just fanfics and stuff, but I do see this as the only was making a new name'd fit in if not, i'd like to see what they do...hoping you can change your name. well one thing is certain, if you make a black character your dad won't be weird Zachariah Zuan 22:18, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I see another way the new name would fit: it's a game, and you get to name your own character. Seriously, if they go with the "amnesiac with a past" cliche, I will eat my PS3 controller. And who lets an amnesiac name themself, anyways? And if he could only remember his name but was otherwise amnesiac, you still shouldn't be able to name him since he's got his own backstory. QED, not amnesia. RadRuler 13:16, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well there's always the simple answer that the good doctor asks. "What's your name" at which point you will name him her as you chose.
JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 14:17, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Rad Ruler, the old amnesiac cliché as been done a million times before. The creators of the game simply want you to become the character and for you to choose his/her future and not his past. Dynamite14

customization?

One line on this page says this about the courier:

The Courier is more customizable than the Lone Wanderer from Fallout 3, and is more akin to the Chosen One and the Vault Dweller. It is possible to edit the Courier's age as well as their appearance and gender.

I would like to know what is behind this fact. The Lone wanderer could also be customized in terms of gender, age and appearance. What is it that makes the courier more customizable? Is this line info that has been given out by the developer?, is there any more information availlable about customizaten. Because so far I don't see how the courier would be more customizable.

Heineheine 10:50, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

No, the Lone Wanderer's age was fixed, you couldn't alter it, it changed during the story thats it Zachariah Zuan 11:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Of course it changed. But as far as I know you could change the wanderer's appearance age. If you made him look older he would get more wrinkles and grey hair, right?87.211.193.250 13:40, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. Ausir^(talk) 13:46, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Actually he has a point. By using the player.agerace console command you could force the game to make you an old man or a child if you so desire. While this isn't canonical, perhaps this is what he was referring to? TestECull

I sincerely hope that the Courier will have a customisable body type - whilst it is prefereable to be athletic in any environment, I don't think it would represent the diversity of a real wastelander well (Gizmo, anyone?) DharmaBloodyDharma 11:38, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

If Obsidian doesn't code this in just wait for some body replacer mods and choose whichever one fits your desired look best. That's what I do. TestECull

The only way to make the Lone Wanderer not 19 was by using the console or a mod. The age is actually customizable normally in New Vegas, as mentioned in Game Informer's first preview of it. FinalWish 20:54, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ghoul Maybe?

If anyone finds out if you can start the game as a ghoul or become a ghoul with enough rads or somethin, please post any articles that prove you can or suggest you can in this section

(I dont have an account but I've been observing the site for years)

Observer Eyebot (98.247.10.62 01:57, August 23, 2010 (UTC))

If that's an option, they're keeping it secret. The demo players have made no mention of it, so therefore it must not be an option in the demo. This means that it's either not an option at all, or they intentionally omitted it from the demo version to keep it secret. I'd say the first option is most likely by a wide margin. --Kris mailbox 02:10, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I still believe that It would make a good Trait, since they are bringing those back. You would be safe from fearals and immune to radiation. On the downside however, you'd have a big deduction from your charisma when talking to non-ghouls. It would be kinda like in TES:IV where your race affected your interactions with others. I guess it could also be a higher level perk, since the anti-rad part is kind of a game changer in a nuclear apocolypse...--Billytheboy 22:29, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

it would be nice to play as one, gives you a new outlook, you would be treated just as bad, brotherhood might just shoot you on site...etc--Silverfox6000 23:56, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I can guarantee there will be no such option to be a ghoul. In all the past games radiation has played a massive role, the biggest example being Vault 87, in which it is purely impossible to get inside the front door without console commands. Even WITH the commands, there's still no way in seeing as you weren't intended to be immune to radiation and thus able to approach the front door. Through pure deductive reasoning one can assume that there will be a quest or level in which you'll need to find a way to bypass radiation in some way shape or form, and being a ghoul will completely destroy that element. Same if you needed to grab something at the end of a long hallway filled with glowing ones. It would completely destroy all fun or challenge if you just waltz right through them. Of course you'll be able to change whether or not you're Negro or Asian, but it's more than safe to say that you won't be a ghoul... 208.118.27.217 19:15, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry boys, but in one of the recent reveiws they said there would be no ghoul charecters... --Billytheboy 13:10, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Courier's Background

Are we absolutely insignificant? Do we have no past? I haven't gone through most quests but people just seem to not care at all about our past. Or is it meant to be something like our reputation is gained through our actions, starting out as just a nobody? Eydryan 22:13, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Courier isn't from the Mojave Wasteland, (s)he's from the Core Region. Still, the Courier does show knowledge of some things that would be expected of someone from out that way, such as recognizing a performer from New Reno. --Kris 23:16, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

This also gives us players much more say in the background of the Courier rather than having it written for us already like the Lone Wanderer. Plus it is very much implied that this is our first trip to New Vegas.

In my head, I can't shake the notion that the Courier is the Lone Wanderer. Both of their titles suggest the holder is partial to traveling. The Lone Wanderer's story in Fallout 3 begins from birth and ends in 2277 when (s)he is 19, while the Courier's story in New Vegas begins four years later, and the youngest age a player can choose for the Courier places him/her in his/her mid-20s. Further, House says that the platinum chip was rediscovered out East, so it may be possible that the Courier carried it all the way from the DC area to the Mojave. I don't think the two are supposed to be thought of as one and the same as a matter of canon, but I think the Courier was crafted so as not to disprove that belief if the player wishes to think so.71.63.129.124 03:21, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that Obsidian would link Fallout 3 with New Vegas, I mean how the hell would they be able to link the two? I would love that to be real but the Wanderer would have to leave the DC area behind completely and before they even think about that they have to settle some canon (although its pretty obvious that they aren't going to choose the destruction of "Lyons' Brotherhood of Steel". -Tomo Stryker

I think the Courier and the Prisoner from Van Buren are one of the same. The Courier has been to the same places the Prisoner has been, the Courier has to be older since he is well traveled and helping in the Divide. This could be were he got affiliated with the NCR, whom in VB was having difficulties obtain supplies. Every thing fits..the BOS, the Legion(and in VB, there was a NCR-Legion battle over the Hoover Dam), COS and so on. The only thing would be when the NCR arrived in the Mojave. They just have never made VB officially canon because they have used so much of it in 3 and FONV and I'm sure they will use some of it in 4.--Wert1978 (talk) 21:12, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Is it really "The Courier"?

Why are people calling the character "The Courier"? I realize Hellboy voices it as such, but the technical description seems to be Courier Six, could there be a balance between the two, or could the latter be substituted?

Courier Six is referenced only once. --Kris 23:14, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Courier 1

I've just finished the game and i was annoyed at not finding out who Courier 1 is (the guy who cancelled on his courier job after seeing your name). Have i missed something? 90.220.86.168 18:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Same here. The Mr. House ending says that he takes unusual "pride" in his "choice of lieutenants" so I wondered if the implication was that the Courier is a descendant of Mr. House. But it may just be that the courier who cancelled is a figure from your past. I also only found one other dead courier (the one who was delivering fuzzy dice), I assume all five are out there somewhere? 20:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

No, only one courier body exists (courier 5) and so you can only find mojave express order 5 and 6. I think the lieutenant thing is just referencing that he's proud of his choice of instrument ie the player. But i really did expect it to be wrapped up. Maybe it is someone from your past and the hub. I just don't know why they would give you that piece of information and then just ignore it.--90.220.86.168 10:01, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this is something they're saving for a DLC, though it is a really annoying loose thread to be left hanging in the regular game.

courier one is ulysses

Ulysses would be Courier Seven since he ended up not taking a package. Charlie1121 22:08, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

ulysses was the one who canceled after seeing your name, saying to let you have it. he was cut from the game but initially intended to be a companion. he now appears only in dlc, being only mentioned in the first 3 and we finally get to see him in the upcoming one. he probably won't be too similar to the version that never made it in tho

The 'assassin' Benny?

Assassin? He's a killer, not an assassin.--90.220.86.168 22:06, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

yeah but, noone died 82.112.139.161 16:43, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

An assassin is someone who kills someone for a political reason a specific target/for a specific reason, usually compensation. Political status can be irrelevant.

Confirm Tagged Combat Skills determines Weapon given?

An anon took out a small part dealing with the weapon that Mitchell gives the courier:

and a Laser pistol, Straight razor, Dynamite, and/or a 9mm pistol

Is it the case that tagged skills determine which weapon is given (I got the 9mm and haven't played as a different character yet). If so, can we put that section back in? Monkoii 16:17, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

If there is a difference then certain weapons must take precedence. I had both Guns and Energy Weapons as Tag Skills and I was giving a 9mm Pistol to start with.

I've noticed no-one has mentioned the unarmed weapon recieved when you tag it. I picked unarmed for my last character build and got boxing gloves from Doc Mitchell. I can confirm i get them like that, but people are saying you get none for unarmed it may be my game is buggy. Can anyone else confirm what they get? 80.192.68.220 17:47, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

you get boxing gloves if you tag unarmed, unless you also tagged melee in which case you only get melee's straight razer, you get dynamite if you tag explosive unless you also tagged guns or energywep, you get laser pistol if you tagged energywep unless you also tagged guns, you get a 9mm if you tagged guns, you get extra bobbypins for lockpick. don't think tagging medicine or survival do anything.

Scar

In the notes section:

The Courier was shot in the head, a scar is visible over his/her right eye. This can best be seen during the character creation section at the start of the game.

I have to ask: Um, where? Or is it just obscenely subtle? I looked on my character after reading this, tried changing my hairstyle in case the hair was covering it, nothing. I even tried starting a new game, to see if it really was more visible, but I couldn't see a scar on a male or female character.

--82.13.26.196 18:36, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm wondering about that myself. The scar in Fallout 3: Point Lookout was glaringly obvious (it even kept you from where headgear) but I can't see this scar in New Vegas at all.

Theres a mod that make the graphics brighter and a little better and there is a line that might be a winkle or a scar above one eye but its not the kind of scar a bullet would leave, more like a knife scar if any kind of scar. Lools most like a winkle except its only on one side. --GrimmShadows 23:21, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't someone edit it out then, so as to avoid confusion? Or atleast say that it doesn't look like a bullet scar? AR700SAW 22:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Edit: Thanks to whoever did that AR700SAW 23:00, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

not sure if we can see it(haven't looked myself) but some in game characters definitely can and some dialog comments on it(Ex legate if you speech check him into leaving the dam and retreating back to legion terrotory) so we definitely do have the scar.67.86.151.244 17:59, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Voice

I have noticed that when I give a heavy punch in the game, my Courier's battle cries sound a bit weaker than the Lone Wanderer's. I thought it might have something to do with the fact that my Courier's age is at the minimum level. If I were to make an older Courier, would his cries be stronger? If so, is that worth mentioning in the article?

That's because Bethesda (or obsidian) was too cheap to get more voice actors, so they used the same guy who voices other npcs, Yuri Lowenthal --For NCR 15:05, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia

The notes say the Courier is the first protagonist that can be openly homosexual or bisexual, but the Chosen One could end up married to someone of the same gender in Modoc and a female Chosen One could hire female prostitutes in New Reno or seduce Mr.Bishop's wife.--OvaltinePatrol 07:41, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Redundancies

The items Doc Mitchell will give you are mentioned both in the notes and the background section of this article. I removed the mention from the notes. It's been undone, maybe this was overlooked. Re-editing. 18:07, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Unarmed

Thanks to whoever said Unarmed doesn't give Boxing Gloves, I just assumed it did since it was already on this Wiki. AR700SAW 18:12, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and also, I didn't realise it was mentioned twice, sorry about that Metalfrenchtoast. AR700SAW 18:34, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Doc DOES give Boxing Gloves, provided you've Unarmed tagged.

Damn this is getting confusing, can someone else confirm that you do get them/ don't get them? (Not that I don't believe you, but the more people saying one thing the more reassuring it is that it's right) AR700SAW 07:47, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ok I did some testing based on a hunch:

1. Test 1: Tag Lockpick, Science, Unarmed: got boxing gloves.
2. Test 2: Tag Lockpick, Melee Weapons, Unarmed: no boxing gloves.
3. Test 3: Tag Lockpick, Energy Weapons, Unarmed: got boxing gloves.

Conclusion: you only lose out on boxing gloves if you tag BOTH melee and unarmed. Anyone else care to verify? --Kris 08:36, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Actualy, When i tagged unarmed I got Boxing tape.--Radiated Raider 17:01, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I got gloves

Changed the bit about the Courier's age

I'm not sure how one would verify that precisely, but the Courier states... well, heavily implies... that he fathered a child 17 years ago. He couldn't have been much *younger* than 12, I mean, biologically speaking. So he must be at least in his late 20s, being very generous and assuming he was both fertile and sexually active at the (unusual but not impossible) age of 12 or so. It's speculation based on simple sums and general biological trends, but I don't know if there's any other way to verify such a thing. Icecrystal2k 01:05, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

In that case, the male character must be at least 29 years old... -Guest

He could have been 15/16, you can't get more 'sexually active' than a 16-year-old it seems. So I'd estimate around 33, as any younger than 15 is unlikely.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 17:32, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

There is no set age for the courier, as the Ladykiller option is entirely optional and does not constitute valid evidence towards his age. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 18:20, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood the discussion with the Lonesome Drifter. After checking the age of the Lonesome Drifter, the courier states that he (or, bizarrely, she) is not his father. It seems fairly clear that the father is the Mysterious Stranger.

Tags is right. This could have been a joke, or just for this specific trait, or just something to give people a mind fuck. Don't read to much into it because it will probably have nothing to do with the true origins of the Courier. Sombar1

Needs cleanup on the first paragraph of background.

Some things that mention in the article that the courier is not a blank slate is untrue. Having a high intelligence can make Cass ask her if she even knows what a fish is, and the dialogue with the lonesome drifter is flavor text and can go either way. --Spysix 09:25, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

For reals. I was able to "discern several facts" such as my character is a lesbian, knows damn well what a fish is, and thinks the Legion are a bunch of big jerks. Just because a speech option is there doesn't make it canon. It's called giving the players a choice.

Speaking of lesbians, the first note is also wrong. Female players in FO3 could hire Nova. Since FO2, players have had the choice to sleep with NPCs of either gender, and FO1 didn't have any sex at all as far as I know. I don't think this really belongs on this page.

In Fallout 1 you could have sex. There's a quest in junktown. You gotta save a hooker and if you success, she'll sleep with you

Scar over the eye

I can only see what looks like a small scar on the male head, not the female, which makes me think it is just how the forehead texture happened to be. Also, the section says it is usually only visible with mods, and mods aren't even to be mentioned.

Should this section be removed? --Pongsifu 12:08, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Removed. Again. Thanks.--Gothemasticator 14:24, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Certain edit

I disagree with the assertion that the above edit was a "helpful organization of material". All it does is remove an entire paragraph about a loose plot thread and integrate it into the above paragraph in far less detail (and as far as I know such information is not documented in such detail elsewhere on the wiki, and even if it were this page would be a far more appropriate place for it), and then move some content into a needless subsection containing only a list consisting of two items. I see no advantage to having the information as it is, in fact the wording is unclear and parts of it are factually incorrect. --Flower of Pock-Lips 22:59, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to expand the current organization. However, the current organization is far easier to understand than the previous version. There is no need to have a separate paragraph about a single loose end, especially if its filled with speculation, rather than facts. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 23:23, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

The paragraph about the loose plot thread is not filled with speculation at all, the only speculation within is that expressed by an in-game character (and thus permitted on the mainspace of the wiki), not to mention the fact that the same statement exists in paraphrased form in the original "reorganised" version of the section. --Flower of Pock-Lips 23:40, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

The helpful organization mainly lies in separating the character creation options into their own section, in my eyes. This keeps the background section from becoming cluttered with "ifs" and "maybes."--Gothemasticator 00:48, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Box Art Clothing

What is the gear the courier wears on the box ( trench coat, gas mask) and can you get it in game?

      The armor on the box is called the NCR Ranger combat armor and is worn by veteran rangers. EDIT: The page lists locations it can be found.

can the couriers hair and facial hair be changed cuz ive plyed thru mosy of the game and i cant fing a way to change it. in fallout 3 u could find a barber or mister handy wold do it for you. plz tell me if u can and where and how to. thank you

To change hair, do this: go to free side and go to the king and start the GI Blues quest and then when you complete it the king will offer you a favor. Choose to join the kings then go to the back of the kings school and talk to sergio. Zig338 17:26, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Crazy?

Anyone think the courier might have some psychological problems dealing with death? somewhat like Craig Boone. I mean stand between the graves at Matthews' Farm and you hear a jumble of voices? JUST SAYING IT'S POSSIBLE!

It's also possible that the voices are really there.--Gothemasticator 02:32, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think the voices could be coming from people that have been buried alive (unlikely but also possible) User:ValoR

ghost voices are a wild wasteland thing. in all cemeteries. nobody is burred alive and whispering to you :P 67.86.151.244 18:06, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Elder?

if you defeat the current bos bunker without blowing it up and you do it stealth fully and use the turrets to wipe out the first floor paladins and other members then finish off everyone down stairs without losing reputation if u were made paladin you technically are the elder as u may loot his robe and you would be promoted in the event that all other members were assassinated by "unknown reasons" the only part that sucks is if you told veronica to join the followers you cant invite her in the bunker

Nope. (Troper of the Wastelands 05:14, August 7, 2011 (UTC))

I have one question.

How the Hell is "Enjoy your stay" a better quote to have on the article than "You're unusual, I'll say that"? Mitchell does say that he/she is unusual if you put a lot of points in to agility. Almighty Higgey 06:29, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

He will only say that if you put points into agility. "Enjoy your stay" caters to all characters no matter what their build. Kastera ^(talk) 23:50, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

As is it from the playing cards, like pretty much all the other playing card character's quotes.Wyrmalla 18:47, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Brain? (Spoilers for Old World Blues)

Is it worth noting that the Courier's brain is apparently independent from him/her and can think for itself? I think it's something to put down. --Captain tweed 20:18, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

So what's the Courier's body thinking with then? 0.o

Well, if you'd played Old World Blues, as the topic of this says you should have, you'd know that throughout most of the addon, the Courier literally does not have a brain. Instead, he/she has some sort of computer to do what brains do. And th brain is quite definitely independent, as you can literally talk to it. It's quite opinionated. --Captain tweed 18:35, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

His body is 'thinking' due to Tesla Coils the Think Tank put in his head after removing his brain. Although, this is true for ALL Lobotomites in Old World Blues. However, it doesn't seem as if their brains also remain independent after removal and it is stated that The Courier's ability to function completely normally is a result of his brain injury from the events at the beginning of the game.The Montreal Screwjob 23:58, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

So is it worth putting on the page or not? --Captain tweed 11:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, no it's not needed on this page.The Montreal Screwjob 03:08, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

The Courier as the alluded Legion Spy?

It's pointed out that a spy of Ceasar was rumored to be traveling in the guise of a courier -- but that he's not the type to go on with a caravan by Joshua in HH (you can never yourself go on as more than contract work with a caravan as the player). It was assumed that this was about Ulysses, since he's the other notable Courier. However, he states that he has no faith in Ceasar as a ruler. In the original design, it was also implied that Ulysses was going to be the Ceasar-friendly companion, but that could also easily have changed as they re-shaped the story to work around him.

What if the player was the spy, but the brain damage which he assuredly took from being shot in the head made him forget. Ceasar might not recognize him simply because Doc Mitchell implies that he gives you a new face ("does this look right?"). The character can know Latin (high intelligence during the interrogation at Camp Maccaren). The character can mention having traveled to Utah before in HH, and it's also mentioned that the spy was traveling ahead of Ceasar.

This is why we have TV Tropes Wild Mass Guessing. The devs have gone on the record to say that whatever you wanted the Courier's past to be the moment before he/she was shot was up to you. Options in speech about the player's past can be taken. If not, it didn't happen, unless you wanted it to. --Captain tweed 18:38, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I've heared Ulyslees is involved with the Legion, so he may be the courier that was pointed out.

The Legion spy was/ is Ulysses as pointed out by Chris Avellone in an recent interview. Ulysses was meant to be legion sympathetic, you would discover his orginins as a Frumentarii and then be given his companion quest to affect his faction alignment. Wyrmalla 18:45, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

possible sequel to the courier

at the end of new vegas the announcer says that the couriers journeys are not at an end yet hinting at a possible sequel for the courier because just because hes not from a vault doesnt mean he cant be the playable character in fallout 4 which i wouldnt really care if he was in fallout 4 even though he doesnt have a official back story of his life the little informaition you get about him makes him sound like a guy you would want to share a nuka cola with --Corporal grif 10:51, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

He has no backstory, and that is the point. I have clarified this to hundreds, yet no one listens. The Courier's backstory is a blank slate so that you yourself might make it up. It's no that hard really, but people seem incapable of grasping that... Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 10:54, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

i said that he has no back story what im saying is the little you know about him while using dialogue options you can get to know more about him besides what im saying is he could be making a return to the fallout series--Corporal grif 10:56, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, what can be discovered in dialogue is unique to your courier. For example, impregnating a woman in Montana 17 years ago doesn't fit with all couriers, as females cannot, and you need the Ladykiller Perk. What you think is clues to the courier is actually dialogue flavouring for ease of reinforcing and inspiring your own story about your own courier. Anyway, since no other Fallout game has recycled a PC, why would FNV? It doesn't make any sense. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:01, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

okay so he didnt tell issac that he saw him in the sharks club at new reno he didnt tell the happy trails caravan company he hasnt been in utah for a while he didnt tell dean one more drink couldnt hurt hinting that he is a heavy drinker its little informaition but none the less it is imformaition and that is what a wiki is informaition so that is my answer to that--Corporal grif 11:06, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

If you do not say that in the dialogue, then you have not done it, and therefore have not been there. This is, as I have said, simply things there for flavouring, and is entirely optional, something you doesn't seem to be able to comprehend. Nothing is canon about the courier, as there have been no game after FNV, and therefore no information on what has happened or not. No matter if it's on a wikia page or not, they are optional, and may not have happened at all. If they all have happened, you're saying that the courier must have been to such diverse places as Montana and Reno, must be male to impregnate a woman and at least of 35 years of age. Your argument is flawed. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:11, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

How about we stop this argument? It's cluttering the page. 11:12, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

scarface remember the peaceful ending to old world blues remember how everyone was telling docter klien that he need not kill the courier and that they could live in peace an they could be partners well this isnt that ending so its time for your lobotamy scarface--Corporal grif 11:14, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Was that an insult, threat, or simply rambling bullshit? You refuse to accept that you had a faulty idea, so you start with this? Anyway, the peaceful ending in OWB isn't canon either, as there has been no game chronologically after FNV, and therefore has not been confirmed. Please come with a valid argument. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:17, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

its a little fallout humor but besides that point what im saying is is that theorys can be questioned as you questioned me but they can also be proven as i am trying to say so basically im going to state my theory the courier could have a sequel in a fallout game in the future which is what i was originally saying and that is all im going to say no more discussion is in the matter if you agree to this than i wont add anything else to this talk we had and we can pretend this never happened --Corporal grif 11:25, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I did not appreciate that "humour" at all, as a matter of fact, I percieved it as a threat. Moving on from that, yes theories can be challenged, and in my point of view, must be challenged for them to be proven. I am currently challenging your theory of the Courier being in a sequel, as that has never been done before, it makes no real senes as it needless, it messes with out own individual couriers story's, and reusing old characters like that tends to water out the story considerably. I do not agree with your theory at all. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:30, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

well question all you want but if you really want to ask someone about returning to the fallout series ask marcus he can give you all the answers you want just because you are well known doest meen you can treat other peoples theorys like brahmin crap --Corporal grif 11:34, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Marcus has a fixed backstory and a solid reason to be in 2 games, unlike the courier. As the Courier has an entirely free backstory (this is the part you don't seem to grasp), including him in a later game would in some, or even most, ways compromise our own idea of our own courier, and that would counteract roleplaying. And that you're telling me to talk to a fictional character to find answers to my question, as you obviously cannot respond yourself, is quite amusing to say the least. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:39, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

people people lets end this needless flame war and lay down your arms there is no need to argue over someones opinion people have a right to speak thier own mind without being questioned but i do believe you should apolagize that was kind of mean what you said in chat i was there and he was to whaen you were making fun of him --wontbackdown 11:42, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I pity people that doesn't recognise a flamewar from a debate. And as for the chat, we were discussing as well, calling him (you) unreasonable. Ana making a dummy account just for this is pathetic in all honesty.Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:58, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean recognize? And don't you really mean distinguish? Also Courier six has one very important piece of back story, Ulysses, international man of mystery, badass normal[1], All American Face[2], dread-lock courier, 3 0f Clubs, subject of turmoil and controversy, alleged agent of Caesar, standard bearer of the old world [3], knows of him. maybe not as important as hyped.

No, recognize is the American simplification of the word. -- 19:58, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well yes, you are correct, "distinguish" would have been a better word. I apologise for making a single mistake in the entirety of this debate. On another note, your argument isn't solid at all, since we cannot confirm it what so ever, since Lonesome Road is yet to be released. As as far as it goes, that the Courier is known by Ulysses is not a piece of backstory. I'm more inclined towards the theory of Ulysses thinking different of the player depending on the players actions in the game before Lonesome Road, similar to Victor Presper in Van Buren. And by the way, a great way of showing how meagre your intellect really is, is to spout random memes and start with pointing out spelling errors. If I were to do that, I would have to take all day for a single post. See, that is a simple psychological thing, as you start your argument with correcting me, you create a facade of your own superiority, when in fact there is none. Please argue in a decent way, instead of needlessly embarrasing yourself. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 20:01, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, was being condescending for its own sake (its "meager") I see it put in practiced a lot on these talk page flame wars, also those aren't memes, they're overused tropes that are on the verge of becoming discredited tropes, in other words cliches. I don't think I'm better than anyone else. It's just disturbing to watch someone launch huge retaliations over stupid things I might let slip, I'm sorry if I provoked you.(Troper of the Wastelands) probably just a dlc hook~

How about I end this with a summary: the courier has no definite ending, so we may never see him/her again if Bethesda doesn't make his/her story canon. That being said, it's confirmed that the courier returns to the big empty, so that's the best we have currently. If the courier is going to be seen or heard in the possible sequel, he will likely be mentioned to live in Big MT or not heard from again.--For NCR 15:19, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hometown Hero

since its an achievement/trophy for completing lonesome road does that mean hes from the divide?Zoso1219 22:55, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

No. Chris Avellone holds the whole "blank slate" idea for the Courier dearly. EB 22:57, August 19, 2011 (UTC) He Also Said there were three to four points about the courier that were fixed and are definitely known about him so he could be from the divide

Lonesome Road confirms the courier, at one point, called The Divide home and (inadvertently) caused its destruction.67.175.221.254 02:32, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Caravaner Outfit?

I'm not sure about this one. Are you sure the outfit in question isn't a recoloured Settler outfit? Republican_01.NIF and Republican_03.NIF seem identical except for the fact that Republican_03.NIF has gloves. Can anyone confirm if the outfit is actually a recoloured Settler outfit? Darth Dracula 04:18, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Enjoy your stay

Do these words actually appear in game? What is the context? How does it relate tot he Courier other then being on the card? Darth Dracula 17:27, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Your Courier...

I SIDED WITH Yes-Man, Yes, Yes-Man I killed Benny (for his Gun and Tux) I hAVE 31,755 Caps in my locker and all together 65,5423 caps I live in the Lucky 38 and Cass and E-DE are my Companions...

DUDE I killed Caesar, Kimball and House I deserve a Freakin' Medal!

Level 50 without killing a single human, letting my companions do all the work for me, and avoid fights with speech, barter, intelligence, and with several speech perks, Very good karma, Sided with NCR, and attempted to rescue benny--For NCR 15:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

No! All you end up is being a GRUNT. Never more than a grunt.No medals, no honours,just a grunt.Even with medals and honours all the Courier is and can be is a grunt.Never a boss. The one and only thing the Courier has that sets them apart is "The answer to a bang is a bigger bang"( 1000 Hrs Fallout 3).--92.15.7.63 09:26, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

favorite PC?

I want to here what people think. Which character did you enjoy playing as more? The Lone Wanderer or the Courier??? please answer!!

Definitely the Courier. This is because, as others have said, he's a blank slate. I enjoy creating elaborate backgrounds and motivations for my Bethesda characters, and the Courier allows me to do so easily. --Carcerem 18:08, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Lone Wander, the courier was a blank slate yes but he was a courier, Lone Wander had motivation other then revenge and he was much more relateable then the Courier in my opinion, although I do preferre F3 to FNV

I agree, the Lone Wander.--Wert1978 (talk) 03:25, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Courier's Height? Any estimates?

Anyone think they know the courier's height? Better yet, anyone actually know? Female and male couriers are roughly the same size, so gender doesn't matter much. Slutcow (talk) 05:32, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Affiliations

Who removed all the optional affiliations? We have optional ones on the Lone Wanderer's page, so why aren't they allowed on the Courier's page? Or was my edit removed simply 'cause I'm not logged in and thus must automatically be a troll, without even reading it and comparing it to other player character pages? 'cause if that's the case, I'm surprised the Wiki gets anything done with user input. I'd say it seems like users don't contribute anything at all, but that's clearly not true 'cause some of the grammar on the pages is horrible, and none of the mods've bothered their asses to fix it. Just seems kinda funny that they'd delete edits BASED ON A FORMAT ALREADY ADOPTED BY THE SITE, but wouldn't bother trying to make the site more presentable. Although it is an easier/cheap way to appear active, I suppose. -- LordSchmee

Hi. Optional affiliations have been removed on both pages, as they are unnecessary. And please do not assume that you are automatically perceived as a "troll" because you are not logged in. You may check the edit history and see who removed those posts and contact them for more information regarding that specific edit, if you wish. And if you see "horrible grammar" on any page you are welcome and encouraged to fix them. --Skire (talk) 16:07, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

The affiliations were on the Lone Wanderer at the exact time I posted my message, even after being removed from the Courier one. Was just expecting some uniformity across the site. There only is 4 main PCs anyway, I figured having a set format wouldn't be too hard to figure out in the first place. As for the troll thing, I've noticed loads of edits which were really badly written, or speculative, but they've been left unchecked by the moderators. On the other hand, a load of reasonable posts that I've made (and some friends, too, not just myself) have been removed almost immediately. So it's clear at least that extra attention is given to guests than to people who are logged in. I admit that's merely speculation but there's not much else it could be down to. Although having said that, the Vault wiki mods are much, much, MUCH better than most other wikis, which I'm thankful for. -- LordSchmee

If you have any specific instances of what you have described you can ask the performer of the action on their talk page about it. And many people of this site are prejudiced against anonymous users, but thankfully not that many admins are. If you see something you disagree with, you may undo it with an explanation in the edit summary. If there are any edits you would like me to review you can link them on my talk page (click on the English flag in my signature), but as of now this conversation no longer belongs on this talk page. Thanks and see you around. --Skire (talk) 17:52, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

The Canon

Well it's been three years since this game came out. Any idea what the verdict was on the *true* intentions of the Courier? Obviously siding with the Legion can be kinda cool, but not TOO rewarding let alone righteous enough to be canonical. Was the promotional artwork of Lonesome Road implying that siding with Mr. House was the way to go since he owes him his life? Was siding NCR meant to be the canon choice since it yields the most rewarding and happiest ending for most of the characters he meets? Was the picture of the Courier wearing the Blackjack Duster at the end to Lonesome Road implying that Yes Man was his one true ally? Suppose we'll only find SOME of this out in Fallout 4? --Christengo (talk) 23:18, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

We have no clues what the canon decisions are. As you said, we won't know until the next game, if at all. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 01:30, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

His/Her, Himself/Herself

Doesn't read well? Her/his is frankly quite worse and looks like crap all around. It's poor writing no matter how you look at it. Great Mara (talk) 17:33, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'd agree, although I'm not in love with always using the singular they... There are certainly times in which the singular they is much better, for example:

“No one in their right mind would do such a thing.”

vs.

“No one in his/her right mind would do such a thing.”

I'm not particularly sure of Wikipedia MoS' stance on singular they, but as far as I'm concerned, "he/she", "his/her" etc. simply looks sloppy. It is better to use "he or she" or "his/her" etc., but nonetheless in moderation... --Skire (talk) 17:43, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

I heard the Courier talk?

I was playing New Vegas, going through the storyline until I had to kill Mr. House. In the resulting battle with his Securitrons in the penthouse, I lost a very large portion of my health. After the battle had subsided, I heard a male voice say: "I could really use some Med-X." Has anyone else heard this? Am I going crazy? --FalloutFreak101 (talk) 21:43, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Check first for the possibility of a mod doing this. --FFIX (talk) 23:59, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I have been playing on XBOX360. FalloutFreak101 (talk) 21:46, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

OK. I am looking at the PC sound resources and would assume that they would be similar for the XBox, but that is not guaranteed. The player character has only a small collection of voice files, and they consist entirely of combat grunts, death screams, and the like. There is no actual dialogue in there. Do you use subtitles, and if so, did any text appear when this line was said? I had considered the possibility that this might be a dialog line for a different character that somehow mistakenly had fired at that point, but I can't find where anyone says a line of text like that. I also thought about the possibility of a companion saying it, but if I remember right, it is not possible to bring companions into that encounter. So unless this is a special effect just for the XBox, I don't know what the source could have been. --FFIX (talk) 23:19, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Birthyear?

When do you Think the courier was born, and how many genirations would be between the courier and Tycho? because I always had this head canon of the courier of being his great great grand son. --66.74.188.229 21:10, September 15, 2013 (UTC)