Fixed some grammar, and decided to divide the article up into sections.
--Killchain 23:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
At least somebody cares for the Chosen One. ChicagoWanderer 20:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Time warp Edit
I have yet to encounter the random event of the chosen one going back in time to destroy the water chiop what is it like?
- It's pretty cool, and you get a good weapon with infinite ammo in daylight.--Eden2012 (talk) 00:14, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Chosen One NV oh really? Edit
Okay, someone added to the trivia section that you can meet an npc called the chosen one is BOS power armor...
Is this even true, or did someone just hear this on a forum? Needs verification. 184.108.40.206 06:40, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Nah it's not true. I removed it. --Kris 10:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
In any event, it might be worth listing references to the Chosen One in NV. He's mentioned indirectly by Klamath Bob, Marcus, perhaps others.--OvaltinePatrol 21:06, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
I ran into "the chosen one" by the Goodsprings cemetery. appeared in power armor, no helmet, carrying a Gatling gun. moused over and tried to interact with him and he vanished. has only happened once so far and was on the PC.
^ Sounds like a tremendous load of crap and could likely be disproved by someone looking in GECK.--OvaltinePatrol 07:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
This needs to be looked into more closely, as I just saw this happen as a random encounter(?) in a completely different spot. I was heading into the deathclaw promontory to pick up the power armor, and while heading up the first slope next to the river to fight the first group of deathclaws and an NPC labeled "The Chosen One" appeared next to me (in power armor and with a mini-gun as stated above) and proceeded to destroy everything in his path. It should be noted that I've taken the wasteland wanderer perk, and have the extra traits mod active for this char with destiny's gambler perk. Unfortunately, I reloaded the save immediately prior to this occurring and it was not reproducible. I really wish I had known it was a controversial appearance, as I did not get a screenshot (caught up in the moment) and he disappeared within ~30sec.
-Guest on Feb 2011
I've encountered "The Chosen One" twice now in NV. The first time was just outside of Nipton, and the second time in the river near Cottonwood Cove, both times he was wearing T-45 Power Armor w/o helmet and carrying a minigun. I activated the console a clicked on him, it came up as "The Chosen One", I didn't write the code down however the first two digits were "ff" which I found odd. I am running several mods and am curious if this is actually a part of the vanilla game or not.
Courier 6: 16MAR2011I encountered the Chosen One again, in the Misfit's Tent at Camp Golf, for some reason he appeared and just slaughtered them all. I managed to snap a quick pic of him just as he was disappearing, hopefully this is some proof.
Courier 6: 19MAR2011
Just to verify, for those who are G.E.C.K.-less, this is a complete lie. It's like we have maccyman Jr. here. Move along folks, nothing to see here. Big McLargeHuge 06:02, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Can you verify that this NPC isn't in the game? The fact that i've encountered him numerous times begs to differ, if I knew how to properly use the G.E.C.K. I would attempt to look into, I know the picture I have is terrible quality, but it's the best I could do under the circumstances. Trust me, I have better things to do with my time then fabricate rediculous stories and pictures just to mess with people.
Courier 6: 19MAR2011
No, it doesn't seem yo do... man, either you have a mod YOU installed or you have a mod YOU made.220.127.116.11 15:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
- I play on the 360, and I found a BoS guy named "the Chosen One" in Camp Golf, mowing down NCR soldiers with his minigun. I obviously couldn't have installed any mods. So, maybe it's just some sort of glitch or placeholder or something appearing in the game, but I definitely saw him.--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' YOU. LOSE. 16:05, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
I scoured the geck and found no chosen one. Not a Character, nor a creature, nor any thing else i could find, and i've played the game for over 300 hours, If he "randomly appears" i think i might of found him.
If he was from a mod though, wouldn't the first 2 digits of his reference number reference the mod, rather then being "ff"? If it was a mod it would have the corresponding number in the PRID. But by that same logic, one would think that if it was vanilla the first 2 digits would be "00". So I really don't know what to make of it.
Courier 6: 19MAR2011
Well I have done a entire search of the files for the words "chosen one" (which includes scripts that could possible generate the NPC, just in case they where sneaky) and only one entry came up and that was this note.
Effective immediately, the traditional selection process for overseer is hereby ended. In lieu of a yearly election, a citizen will be chosen one month prior to the start of his or her term with our mainframe's random number generator, ensuring complete impartiality and fairness.
Katherine Stone Overseer
Um, I have seen this guy. Only difference was I was in VATS when he appeared, and I was just shooting at some fiends.
Ive seen "the Chosen one" pop up and murder aton of Rangers out of no where, then vanish....
Asylum again, I found him again and went into the GECK thingy real quick to get his ID: "The Chosen One" (ff0012f0). I can't take screenshots because I'm an idiot, but last time I saw him, I swear to God he had no facial and was bald. When I saw him again, he had the same armor and chaingun, but had short brown hair and a beard. Kinda odd, but maybe worth mentioning? Also, I think it might be tied in with a mod, as he came up right after this mod I have(Dice of Destiny or something) rolled the dice, then he appears out of nowhere and kills some ants. That's all. TheLycanAsylum
I think I know what this is, I think it may be the double slash perk randomly spawning the guy with the sword in a vault suit as a guy with power armor and a gatling gun. If you have the more perks or whatever installed and have that perk that might be what it is..maybe. I saw him too, appeared from no where upon fast traveling near enemies, then vanished, it very, very clearly said "The Chosen One" and I'm nearly certain he spawns from the double slash perk from the more perks series of mods, ESPECIALLY after what lycan said because die of destiny comes from the same series of mods.
Source of canon gender Edit
I noticed that the article states the Chosen One is canonically male. Is this mentioned in Fallout: New Vegas or another source? Sith Alchemy 101 12:10, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- It's heavily implied by Bruce Issac's description of Mr. Bishop which lines up nicely with one of the possible end slides in Fallout 2. A female Chosen One could not have fathered the Bishop child.--OvaltinePatrol 07:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
But this is only implied, not stated as fact and all the direct mentions of the Chosen One completely lack gender pronouns. It's more likely to simply be a reference to one of the endings of Fallout 2 as it does not state who fathered the son. It's possible this Mr. Bishop just happens to like exploring or slightly less likely, the female Chosen one had sex with Mr. Bishop after the events of Fallout 2. I just think every mention of "he" or "his" in reference to the Chosen One should be deleted and returned to gender neutral words. I'll do it myself if nobody convinces me otherwise within a few days. --Alexmikli 00:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC) IO went ahead and did it anyway, sorry if this offends anyone but I think this merits more discussion before we say the Chosen's gender is firmly canon. If a future editor feels it's necessary they may revert my changes, but I'd advise against until it's discussed.--Alexmikli 00:34, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Recently someone edited the article saying the Chosen one may be female due to Cassidy marrying a tribal. While Cass says that's true, I believe she said "from the east". Could be wrong though.--Alexmikli 20:32, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
Could be a thing hidden in a mod. Has this happened on console? Matt of the wastes 09:08, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Sigh..It seems like someone just freaking did the whole "he's totally a guy no question's asked" mass edit again..Can't we use the damn talk page?--18.104.22.168 04:23, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Can we have a rollback to the gender neutral variant? It's not like Obsidian has said "yeah it's a guy"
- Yes, they did. By estabilishing canon endings for New Reno, including the bit about a tribal Mr Bishop, they have confirmed several facts - including the one about the Chosen One being canonically male, because he's the only timeframe that can court and bed any of the Bishop ladies. Tagaziel (call!) 05:54, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
It feels like more of a joke reference to the ending though. He didn't say a "Yeah this tribal dude who saved the entire world screwed his daughter." and "Mr. Bishop is a total tribal and likes exploring." what he -did- say is that "This dude screwed his daughter" and "Mr. Bishop likes exploring.". Then you take in the excessively gender neutral story Marcus gives you, and it seems like they're -hinting- that the Chosen one is male, but definitely not comfirming it. Fallout Wiki Dweller; is labeled male because of the memoirs and many people mentioning him by name(well, by tital) and a freaking statue of him, while the Chosen One is labeled a male because of a passing reference to one of many endgame scenarios. I personally think the Chosen One is male, but I don't see concrete evidence nor Bethesda/Obsidian saying it is a guy (And really, Bethesda shouldn't confirm anything about Fallout 2 because they didn't make it) --Alexmikli 05:18, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
The "Bishop Child" ending is neither proven nor refuted in New Vegas. It simply states that the Bishop family is still in control and there is a "Mr. Bishop" in a position of power in New Reno. This does not mean the "Bishop Child" is the only explanation, and therefore does not establish the gender of the Chosen One as necessarily male. Also, good show to the guy who posted above me. I don't like people assuming canon because of one extremely vague and non-specific reference and, clearly, the fact that they just want it that way.
Can we TALK about this instead of just changing it? This is getting a bit ridiculous.
Summation of my (and others') argument on this: "Why does the Mr. Bishop of FO:NV have to be the son of the Chosen One? Women can have only one son and from one specific person only?"
- The mention to Bishop's knowledge of the wastes is a clear reference to the FO2 ending with the Bishop child. Anyway, see: Talk:Mr. Bishop. Ausir(talk) 23:44, April
25, 2011 (UTC)
- While I support making the article gender neutral, I don't like people having an edit war over this, it's ..pretty silly. I was the one who originally tried to make the article gender neutral since the Chosen One was originally sexed as male, but if someone keeps reverting your edit over and over again, go to the talk page that's what it's for. --Alexmikli 01:18, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
Bishops wife in Fallout 2 was a complete ho, and so was his daughter. His daughter would apparantly have sex with anyone according to Mrs. Bishop, and so would she for that matter. There's nothing to say that this kid isn't from one of their MANY other "suitors". I mean, talk to Father Tully.
The family section on the Chosen One is wrong.The elder is his grandmother and the vault dweller his great grandfather. ~some guy~
Why does it seem almost like the people not outright saying the chosen one was male are acting like the people that believe the canon chosen one to be male are sexist or something? Maybe I'm just insane but I swear I caught a whiff of that in here, definitely no place for that in a discussion that's supposed to be on neutral grounds. It seems like there's a concrete amount of proof that the Chosen One in Fallout 2 as far as canon is concerned was male and despite the game giving you the option to be female, that in no way means that in canon any of said previous facts were change, unless you're a believer of the infinite worlds theory (I totally am, that's a quantum physics thing not a fallout thing), what that means is black isle was nice and gave you the choice as far as the game was concerned. I think if the page is going to stay neutral, we shouldn't be dragging "male vs female" bias into it from "either" side thanks, when someone gets all pissy about a white wash "the chosen one must be a guy" thing, I respect your reasons for getting pissy, just not the way you defended them, use facts, not "let's be fair and gender neutral", facts are better for everyone. --22.214.171.124 09:57, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I know this is an old conversation, but does it really matter for the sake of the article that the Chosen One is "canonically" male? (And I use the term lightly, considering it appears that people are only using the reference to the Bishop ending in NV as evidence, and that they all ignore Marcus using gender neutral language in reference to the CO in the same game.) The fact that you can play as a female Chosen One should be reason enough for gender neutral pronouns. --Kafeij (talk) 08:27, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
Bishop Son and gender (yet again) Edit
Let's put the gender argument aside for a minute. Can we seriously be sure that the Chosen One is the father of Mr. Bishop? In New Vegas, we're told that a "tribal" fathered Mr. Bishop. Fair enough, it's a clear reference to one of the endings of Fallout 2, and consequently suggests that the Chosen One was male.
The reason I'm calling it into doubt is that through the rest of the game, Obsidian take some effort to keep the Chosen One's gender unconfirmed. Klamath Bob vaguely refers to a tribal who stirred the place up. Marcus's dialogue actually comes across as somewhat clunky in an attempt to keep the Chosen One's gender neutral, using phrases like "the tribal" and "my friend". Why would they bother to do this if they wanted to confirm the Chosen One as male?
And yes, this was the case in Fallout 2 when referring to the Vault Dweller as well, but we can be more certain of the Vault Dweller's gender because of things like the statue in NCR and Tandi, who actually met him, refers to him directly as male.
Before you all get on my case over this, hear me out. Because of the reasons above, I think we should change the Chosen One article back to gender neutral and under the family section Mr. Bishop should be listed as "possible son" or something. Mr. Bishop having a tribal father in New Vegas feels more like an in-joke or reference to the potential Fallout 2 ending than an outright confirmation of both Bishop's father and the Chosen One's gender. I'm not gonna change the article to gender neutral unless enough people agree with me here, mainly because it's not worth another edit war. So, uh, yeah. Debate or something, I guess.
126.96.36.199 13:41, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
Just seems weird that people are rushing to say the Chosen One was canonically male when the only evidence we have is an in-joke from a line of dialogue in New Vegas. I'd say a Player Character's gender is a pretty big deal, so we'd need more proof like we had with the Vault Dweller before making a conclusion.
Impregnating Ms. Bishop also forces more of a set personality on the Chosen One as well as a gender. Like, all the people who refer to the Chosen One in New Vegas do so really vaguely - the only things we know for sure is that the Chosen One blew up the Enclave, "stirred up" Klamath (which could mean anything) and shot Roses' Deathclaw in the eye. I played as a male in Fallout 2, but I never impregnated Ms. Bishop (probably because she got caught in crossfire after the entire Shark Club went crazy at me). 188.8.131.52 21:27, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
- You are in no position to decide what is an in-joke and what is not. Tagaziel (call!) 06:40, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
But you are? Nobody is, except the developers. Someone should ask them about it sometime to clear the issue up. 184.108.40.206 15:58, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
- This has been changed and reverted by people too many times at this point with regards to his gender. I highly doubt the nod to the Bishop child in NV is just an in-joke, as it wouldn't make sense to include an ending in dialogue that never actually happened in terms of canon. I think it was summed up nicely here, in the few bottom points.
- We work in the fact of the series, facts that come from established canon. Are we to ignore this obvious reference? Furthermore, on the page for the Bishop family, it is stated:
By 2256, the Chosen One's bastard child, Mr. Bishop, by this point only thirteen years old, assumes control over the family, and eventually leads it to victory over the other families in New Reno.”
- If this is written on the page, then it is canonical. It would not have been written there if it was not. Furthermore, On the endings page pertaining to the Bishop Child, it says that Fallout: New Vegas establishes this ending as canon. If this ending is canon, then the Chosen One did indeed impregnate Mrs. Bishop, hence he is male as stated in established canon. I don't really think we should ignore the facts because it is a player character. I do think it is time for some closure on this, I support the side that the Chosen One is to be written as male, and if it does end up being written as male, we should include a note at the top of the page stating that his gender is not to be changed, similar to the note on the .45 pistol page states that similarities to the Colt will be removed. Final thoughts? --Talk 00:38, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
"If this is written on the page, then it is canonical." I'm sorry but this argument does not make sense. This is a matter of debate, so just because someone on your side of the debate edited that page and said "this is canon" does not count as evidence. I also believe that the Fallout 2 endings page needs changing as well. All we know from New Vegas is that the Wright family are powerful by 2281, and that there is a Mr Bishop who likes exploring. If we take the Bishop Child ending to be canon, that would contradict canon with regards to the Wrights. So it is my belief that both the Bishop ending and one of the two Wrights endings are 90% canon, but with some details altered to allow for both families to be in power at the time of New Vegas. And since none of the developers have come out in support of either argument, we cannot assume 100% anything to be canon. So while we can be 90% sure the Chosen One is male, the small possibility that Mrs Bishop slept with someone else is enough for us not to 100% confirm the player's gender. If the Black Isle people announce tomorrow that the Chosen One is male, then we have it as male. --220.127.116.11 12:47, August 21, 2012 (UTC) Joe Peake
You're using a citationless wiki entry as proof? That's meaningless. Frankly, attitudes like that prove that people like you are sexist.
- Now let's not start calling each other sexist. We can disagree on what counts as canon without making judgements about people's prejudices, though I agree that we can't use wiki entries as proof since we don't always cite sources anyway. Also, if you're going to make anonymous edits could you please leave a signature.
--18.104.22.168 02:49, August 22, 2012 (UTC) Joe Peake
Hmmm, that's funny. I didn't see any kind of vote or consensus on whether we should move back to using male pronouns. And it was done without leaving any counter argument to the one myself and some other users posted within the past few days.
I mean, it's not like gender-neutral pronouns discount him from being a guy or anything. This isn't about sexism or any bullshit like that, it's about being certain about what is and what is not canon. And people on this wiki seem far too eager to declare theories as canon without any citation to back them up. Surely it's within the bounds of possibility to contact someone on the dev team of Fallout 2, since it seems to be such an issue to everyone. If one of them were to say 'yes he's a guy' then that's canon. I would absolutely wholeheartedly agree 100% with this edit. But until then we can't use 'oh but someone else on the wiki said so therefore it must be true' as basis of proof.
If they were intending to 100% establish the Chosen One's gender in New Vegas, Marcus would have said he. Because let's face it, no-one uses the word 'they' to describe a friend unless they've got some good reason. --Peakey (talk) 21:56, August 23, 2012 (UTC) Joe Peake
- Which is still your theory. Marcus in general has a pretty weird way of talking, clipped sentences and whatnot, so he's a weak argument. Fact is, Bruce Isaac makes a direct reference to one of the endings in Fallout 2, establishing it as canon. Since the ending requires the Chosen One to be male, it's a pretty clear situation. We don't vote on facts here. Truth isn't decided by consensus. Tagaziel (call!) 06:54, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
- But neither is it decided by you alone. consensus doesn't make something true but at least then we'd get a sense of what position most people would be comfortable with, even if we don't know which is right. If the majority of people felt certain that the Chosen One is male I'd still be arguing for uncertainty but I wouldn't mind you changing it as much. But it's about 50/50, and the gender neutral argument works fine for a male Chosen One anyway. If we had conformation from someone who wrote Fallout 2, that would be enough. But we don't. Bruce Isaac confirms that the Bishops had a son, but he only implies that the father was the Chosen One. Marcus has a 'weird way of talking'? Whatever you think of the quality of his dialogue, fact remains his input is no less credible than Bruce Isaac's. Cass talks about her mother being a tribal who travelled with John Cassidy. That could be construed as evidence of a female Chosen One. I don't think it is, but if someone were to be totally convinced by that then would it be right for them to edit Cass' page and put her as the Chosen One's daughter? We've got to all accept that our interpretations could easily be wrong. Ambiguity and uncertainty is not a bad thing.--Peakey (talk) 13:32, August 24, 2012 (UTC) Joe Peake
- Anyway, let's leave it as it is for now. Having it say 'strongly implies them to be male' is an okay compromise as far as I'm concerned. --Peakey (talk) 13:35, August 24, 2012 (UTC)Joe Peake