NCR War confirmed!
The war with NCR was confirmed by J.E. Sawyer in a GameTrailer TV interview. 70.126.216.230 02:48, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Proof: http://www.spike.com/full-episode/god-of-war-ghost-of/39026
Around the 10:30 mark.
Thank you.
70.126.216.230 03:20, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
NMA
  Hey, Ausir, it is canon for NMA contest purposes!--dotz 19:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed. Well, there is no better source for canon info on the BOS, is there? :) Ausir 20:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ausir, does it matter whether that sentence is there or not? The one about Knights Templar? Cause with it, it seems to be a run-on sentence. Without it, it's a bit more focused. -- (User:Middle Man 12:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC))
- They do compare themselves to Knights Templar in Fallout 1, so I think it's better not to remove it. Ausir 13:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- They also refer to themselves as a "knightly order" in Fallout 3 - might sound a little better than "techno-religious organization", at any rate. -- 24.94.62.71 02:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- They do compare themselves to Knights Templar in Fallout 1, so I think it's better not to remove it. Ausir 13:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ausir, does it matter whether that sentence is there or not? The one about Knights Templar? Cause with it, it seems to be a run-on sentence. Without it, it's a bit more focused. -- (User:Middle Man 12:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC))
I find it kind of annoying that the people of the capital wasteland are protected by lyons detachment and yet very few people do anything for them. Yes apparently the casualty rate is horrendous but it has its perks.Bethesda should but in something like some 10 people sign up because its kind of annoying hearing them b**** and moan about not having enough supplies even after i brought them 15 perfect power armor suits 15 laser rifles 15 assualt rifles and enough food and water for months. ughhhh i needed to rant.
Fallout 3 BOS structure and ranks
It seems that the roles of the Knights have changed in FO3 - they appear to be be simply less advanced soldiers rather than manufacturers with the Scribes maintaining and constructing all the gear. I'm also not sure where the sub-ranks (Knight Captain, Knight Sergeant) fit in - to say nothing of 'Star Paladin'. And is the ARM SC Cross' Super Sledge or some other icon of the BOS? --Trithemius 23:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, either the ranks of the BOS as a whole changed by 2277, or the Capital Wasteland BOS uses a different rank system from the Lost Hills one. Ausir 23:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I think some ranks just got new functions because the DC-BOS doesn't have enough troops. Kamuikaze 18:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
- If that's the case, then the distinction between the two different ranking systems should be addressed 16:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
How clubby is the Capital Brotherhood?
If the PC kills, say, one of the lone sentries stationed next to the reflecting pool in the Mall, and there are no other BoS NPCs in visual range, will this still render the entire faction hostile to the PC? 68.209.248.80 07:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
No, the entire faction will not turn hostile, only BOS NPCs that detect your murderous actions will turn hostile. --DynamicEcho 08:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The BoS and MEGATON theft
It gets worse than hostile...If you kill BoS to kit out Charon in their bright new armour and another one sees you and you then go home, he/she will follow you back to Megaton and take all your stuff. Everytime I kill the BoS I loose my stuff in Magaton from my Lockers. XBOX360.....Another guy reported getting home in time to see a BoS leaving his house. Shite! I paid Moira Brown enough to have it kitted out, and spent enough time arranging all my loot.To get it all stolen, hundreds of items is a bit much! I going to war with the Bos next. --ThousandHoursFalloutThreeUK 06:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Decline
It wasn't indicated in any game and the simple fact BoS is no longer the sole custodian of advanced technology dpesn't mean they declined. 91.122.0.254 17:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Comparisons in Popular Media
on the talk page it notes that the Brotherhood is close to certain Warhammer 40k soldiers, but I thought the classic comparison was to The Mobile Infantry of Heinlein's Starship Troopers.. which is, AFAIK, the progenitor of the sci-fi trend towards Power Armor-like constructions.
should this be noted or is it a bit too much like trivia?
- I removed the reference to Warhammer. The fanboys on this Wiki need to stop thinking that every little coincidental similarity to their favorite video game/anime/movie was done intentionally. "Gruff space marines with cool tech" is a concept hardly unique to Warhammer.
- It would be fine to note as trivia that the "original" powered armor concept came from the old Starship Troopers novel as long as the author doesn't imply the developers intentionally made the connection to the BoS. Powered armor is such a finely ingrained concept in modern pop culture that it would be illogical to assume a conscious nod to the book. ~ Unsigned 15 May 2009
Of note: an early sixties comic titled Strange Adventures once ran a series of stories based around a group called "the Atomic Knights," composed of a small band of radiation deflecting armor clad survivors battling ignorance, post-atomic squalor and weird radiation-induced monsters to rebuild the American way of life. Could this be considered partial inspiration for the Brotherhood of Steel, or at least credit as a side note? (Comic Descriptor: http://conelrad.com/books/flyleaf.php?id=230_0_1_0_M )(List of episodes and descriptions: http://darkmark6.tripod.com/atomicind.htm ) signed: 71.234.58.118 01:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- i seriously doubt that it was any sort of reference, but there are certain similarity between them, but more with the adeptus machnicus than the space marines, its very similar, a techno-religious group devoted to the recovery of ancient pre-[insert calamity here] and guarding the secrets of these technologies from the ignorant tribals, and preferring to keep as much technology as they can for themselves. again there are similarity's, but the likeliness that they are actual intentional references is slim to none. its not hard to see were people are coming from, but its just unlikely, has anyone bothered to ask however's idea fallout was?--Katikar 14:36, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
extermination of the bos *SPOLIERS
if you choose (*spolier*) to blow the citedal in broken steel ending,wich i did already, is it poissoable to finish of the bos for good or is that a not going to happen. it should be poissable since the brotherhood dont respawn in the wasteland or at least i dont think they do. do they?
- The Pentagon may be destroyed but that doesn't mean every member of the DC BoS was in it. For that matter, at least the Midwest and California BoS are still out there with possibly other chapters in North America we haven't heard about yet. Also, we will have to wait for Fallout 4 (if that ever happens) to see if the Pentagon's destruction is made canon.
Inconsistency!
If the brotherhood ended up in the Capital Wasteland just a year before your birth, how is it that Star Paladin Cross talks about aiding your father in the wasteland? If the Brotherhood had previously assisted with Project Purity they would have had to been there for longer than a year or this is merely an inconsistency in the story. While its wholly possible in video game reasoning that the Brotherhood showed up, immediately hooked up with James, Dr. Li, and friends, then James knocked up Catherine right away, and the larger part of Project Purity was completed in about a year, then sure, w/e, but still pretty ridiculous.
By the time your outside they've been there for 20 years and it is never implied that the brotherhood of steel helped project purity originally, only during your involvement.
Hey, BoS arrived in CW in 2255, They are at the Citadel, they would PROBABLY notice a purifier being build across a body of water. You were born three years after the arrival of the BoS, and from there, they abandoned Proj. Purity after your birth, around the early 2260's (2261/2262)
Main article logo
I have noticed that the logo/emblem used at the top portion of the page is the non-canon, fallout tactics version, with the large gear on the right side. I was wondering if someone would kindly flip it, such that it reflects fallout 1, 2, and 3, as opposed to Tactics. That is all.
- Thanks, one user changed it some time ago and I didn't notice until now. Fixed. Ausir(talk) 10:40, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Not canon?
Unless it severely contradicts "official" canon, why aren't other fallout games considered canon? On some pages I've even seen Fo3 add-ons not considered "canon"
- On what pages? FO3 add-ons are canon, even if I don't like it in some cases. And some games are not considered canon because the people in charge of the franchise decided not to count them as canon. Ausir(talk) 18:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- yeah, its probably just fallout purist/extremists who don't like Fo3, or at least don't like that Bethesda made it, but do not be mistaken: it IS canon--Katikar 19:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Warhammer 40k
alright I'm putting this down once and for all, although the Space Marines from Warhammer 40k the brotherhood of steel is and was NOT inspired by them there have been a grand multitude of interviews with those involved with the original fallout, if the space marines had inspired the BoS they would have mentioned it, stop putting it in the article the only proof is that they are similar thats it, that is ALL there is, so at the vary least if you are intent on putting it in the article, you start right here in the talk, under this post, and discuss it, untill an argument can be given conclusivly proving that the Space Marines are a direct inspiration for the BoS, it will be continually and conssistantly removed from the articleKatikar 11:53, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
Airships
It's never discussed exactly how the East coast BOS got to the east coast. I mean, they could have walked, but don't you think it's more likely they used airships, like the midwestern? Could the East coast be a part of the division that got separated from what became the midwest?67.221.89.35 16:30, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Brotherhood
I was just wondering what form of government would the BOS be? You know, republic, democratic etc? 86.135.159.59 10:40, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Feudal, at best. The Brotherhood is a military order, ruled by a small circle of elders who are apparently chosen by other elders. It's not democratic, not by a long shot.
Tagaziel (call!) 12:21, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
Weakened
- In Fallout 3, the BoS have been downplayed strength wise, In the old days it spoke of one Paladin being able to wipe out hordes of enemies, now they can handle maybe.. 5 supermutants before dying, you think, any logical reasons? Zachariah Zuan 23:06, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
New BOS not good
I support the Outcasts 100%. If their ideas are not right, then how come in the West, where the BOS has stayed true, they are rapidly rebuilding civilization? For instance, the NCR. The New BOS may be protecting every single illeriterate group of tribesmen, but they are losing men and supplies in the progress. In my opinion, if the BOS stayed true, and protected only the biggest, most techonological advanced cities and towns, the Wasteland would have been long rebuilt by now.
Random person
The brotherhood on the west coast haven't been engaged in a war with a hostile and neverending supply of supermutants.
I Hate the East Coast BoS!
If you hate the Capital Wasteland BoS than you are not alone. I hate them because all of their soldiers treat people like me like shit and claim that they are saving my ass 24/7 when it's me who is actually helping the people in the Wastes instead of sitting around in a nice cushy fort with some fancy weapons.
Dude East Coast BoS are going to be the nicest they get West Coast BoS are major dicks (98.247.10.62 03:46, September 3, 2010 (UTC))
- The East Coast "Brotherhood of Steel" are lead by a pussy who thinks, "Let's stop collecting weapons to destroy our enemies with and let's help a bunch of low-life, bedragled wasters who don't give a flying f%$k about it". In Fallout 3, I destroyed the East Coast BoS because they were not fit to carry the title "Brotherhood of Steel". At least the West Coast BoS knows what the deal is, "We discover tech so we may destroy our enemies and make them run like little girls as we gun them down like filthy dogs!"
Damn it, I wish you help the BoS in New Vegas, but help them like you can help the NCR, Caesar, House, etc. - Texas Ranger 19:12, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
BOS East Coast Strategy
Their military strategy is pathetic. They talk about saving the wasteland they're hardly protecting anything. If they were smart they would station paladins at settlements instead of protecting useless locations(ex: Pennsylvania Ave). Paladins shouldn't be stationed in D.C. It is suicide. They should consistently raid the D.C. ruins. Therefore they will not lose communications with their soldiers and their men will be well supplied. The only place they should fortify is GNR. That's it.
And if they were somewhat half logical, they would aid in the construction of new settlements and hoard roaming wastelanders into them, and fortify it.
I mean come on, their strategy is pure stupidity.
Veronica: So... what do you think of the Brotherhood of Steel? Courier: I heard they can shoot lasers out of their eyes!
Best low intelligence dialogue, ever.--Shadow 21:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Any ways to gain faction rep after "Still in the Dark"
Are there any other ways to gain faction rep after "Still in the Dark"? P.S. I help Hardin become Elder and after waiting 5 in-game days, he still isn't. - Texas Ranger 22:09, November 16, 2010 (UTC)