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JHP?

What does JHP stand for? Mr. Teatime 12:24, 11 Feb 2005 (GMT)

It stands for "Jacketed Hollow Point". Good for hunting or killing soft (unarmored) targets due to the bullet expanding ("flowering") upon impact, causing much wider wound tracts than the calibre might normally.--Fez 07:44, 16 Mar 2005 (GMT)

F3 - No Options

In Fallout 3, aside from the Rock-It Launcher, there is only one kind of ammo per gun, correct? NightChime 01:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Correct. Ausir 02:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it in Fallout 3 an option to unload ammo?

The ammo only gets unloaded from a weapon when you sell it. I don't know of any other way to unload it. --MadDawg2552 20:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Ammo is not normally loaded in a weapon. It's kind of tricky. Let's say you have 120 rounds of 10mm ammunition, and your 10mm pistol has a 12 round magazine. It will show up as 12/108 on your HUD. However, the ammunition is not "attached" to the weapon, but it takes count of how many rounds you've shot. So if you fire 3 rounds, your magazine will have 7 rounds left (9/108) but in your inventory it will show up as having 117 rounds of ammunition. This persists even if you switch weapons. However, I've yet to see experimentation - what happens if you drop the ammo and pick it back up, or the gun, or so on. PlasmaFox 20:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Charon's Shotgun

Charon's Shotgun doesn't use the normal shotgun shells. It uses an npc specific version (still called "Shotgun Shells", Editor ID "AmmoShotgunShellRobot"). The Form ID for that ammo is 0004C5F9. Not sure what to do with that info though.Fiddlesoup 01:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Too bad really, I miss AP rounds. And I think Charon's ammo is special because he's really using a modified Lincoln's rifle. AshRandom (Talk) 02:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The ammo of all follower weapons is "special" (except for Butch's, interestingly). I'm suspecting it's related either to the weapons being different to their base counterparts or, more likely, to the mechanism which gives them unlimited ammo.

Butch generates new 10mm ammo if you take the ammo he comes with away and as I said, he's the only one who uses "regular" ammo for his weapon. // Porter21 ^{U | T} 02:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

maybe they were trying to keep us from using followers like ammo dispensers... AshRandom (Talk) 02:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably, although you'd have to be very desperate to try that. Butch generates ammo one bullet at a time when he's shooting, i.e. he has never more than one bullet in his inventory (at least that's how it was when I tested it). You'd have to take his ammo, make him attack something and take his ammo one bullet at a time while he's fighting. // Porter21 ^{U | T} 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Clips vs Magazines

Clip vs. magazine

Pictures

Thanks for the picture, but I got a more Fallout-friendly way to describe it. Image preserved here. PlasmaFox 01:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I edited the one picture to zoom in on it.

Threw an outline on the "banana clip" AshRandom (Talk) 02:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help! I'm glad there's another person who is completely anal about petty little differences like I tend to be. PlasmaFox 02:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't suppose you could upload a picture of scoped.44 / blackhawk being reloaded with a full moon clip / speed-loader clip, I could put it side by side with the Mauser stripper clip. AshRandom (Talk) 02:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, but what I could do is show the .32 pistol (which is also a revolver) being loaded with a moon clip. It's break-open action so it's easier to view.

Good enough AshRandom (Talk) 02:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, the reloading of the .32 was too fast to capture via screenshot. Here's the .44. Media:Moonclip.jpg PlasmaFox 02:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, you better not steal my whiskey. PlasmaFox 02:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I was wrong, those aren't moon clips - they're "speedloaders". PlasmaFox 03:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

This isn't really relative to the discussion or the article, but it's a humorous anecdote that I would like to relate. During basic training, our Drill Sergeant once said to us, "If you call a magazine a clip, I'm going to shove them both up your ass so you can feel the difference." --MadDawg2552 20:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

That's awesome. PlasmaFox 20:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for including this section - I just wish more folks would read it. Very annoying to read the silly kids writing about "clips".... --64.58.0.90 23:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Krag

This whole section is in no way shape or form relevant to the game at all, that's even stated in the section itself. I'm deleting it, it's useless and pointless. 209.52.202.67 14:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It stays. It doesn't hurt anyone and is useful to educate the uneducated. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 15:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, you're the admin. When people use the phrase "does a bear shit in the woods?" it's meant as a rhetorical question. Just sayin'. 209.52.202.67 17:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow you guys are as bad as the guy sont the /k/ image board at 4chan they get real pissed off when you say "clip" when you're reffering tomagazines. Oh well I guess that's how gun nuts are Lancer AR 06:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. am also gun nut :D

Merge

I think it would be better to merge this with the ammunition article. Ausir 03:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be better to just link this article to the Ammunition one.PlasmaFox 03:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Where in the page should we stick it? It applies to more than just Fallout 3 right? AshRandom (Talk) 04:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

How about a "See also" section at the bottom? PlasmaFox 04:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

F1,2 Ammo

It looked like crap, so I made a table out of it AshRandom (Talk) 04:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Rock-It Launcher

Should we list this alongside the other Fallout 3 weapons? I know, it has no specific ammunition but we could link it to Rock-It Launcher ammunition, perhaps? It isn't even mentioned on the entire page. - Five Dog 20:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

No arguments

Someone tacked a section on the bottom that contradicted everything said in the rest of the article. It was decently written, but it used a wildly incorrect definition of clip to argue against the distinction between clip and magazine. This is an educational article, not a debate forum. --Jackarunda 05:04, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh thank God I'm not the only one who thought that was completely contradictory. I'd delete it, but I don't wanna piss off the admins or anything. --BizarroTedTurner

.357

Am i being blind? Cant find .357 section on here - sort it out?

.357 Magnum section should be there now. ΣΔ 23:55, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Clip vs. magazine

Left: 10-round stripper clip. Right: A speedloader device, sometimes incorrectly called a "moon clip".

The 36-round box magazine of the Xuanlong assault rifle

Although completely irrelevant to the game, this section explains the terminology distinctions between a clip and a magazine to better help the reader distinguish between these two commonly misused terms.

A clip is a device used to load ammunition into a magazine (most commonly an internal magazine). Such devices include the 8-round "en bloc" clip used by the M1 Garand, and the stripper clips used by the SKS carbine (the 'sister' to the more common AK47). However, many people confuse this with a magazine, which is a device that feeds ammunition -and- encloses it. These are, for example, the curved magazine of the AK-47, which military weapon amateurs call a "banana clip", or the magazine of the M16 rifle. A shortened term for magazine, "mag", is also available. It would be immensely incorrect to refer to anything that does not use clips or magazines as having a "clip size".

In Fallout 3, for example, the Chinese pistol is loaded from the top by a stripper clip. It has an internal magazine that holds 10 cartridges. The Chinese assault rifle uses a 24-round (or 36, in the case of the Xuanlong assault rifle) box magazine, the so-called "banana clip" in slang, which is an incorrect term to use.

Energy weapons can be referred to as using cells rather than magazines, as they are a battery of sorts rather than dedicated storing and feeding devices.

Improper use

This error can be easily seen in the G.E.C.K. where you can enter the magazine capacity of a weapon as "Clip rounds". The correct term would be "Magazine capacity" or "Mag capacity". Most likely, the developers just wanted to make it clearer as to what they are talking about as most people are more familiar with the "clip" usage.

In the Operation: Anchorage add-on, one of the Chinese soldiers will yell (with English subtitles) "Empty your clips! No survivors!" upon attack.

Air

I originally took off Air as an ammunition, because the page for air had been deleted 2 different times, and one of the times was by Porter. It is linked to a page that doesn't exsist however, and my edit has been un-done and it is back on the list. Should we keep it on the list though? --Xa3 16:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it should be left up (obviously), for the reason that it was a legitimate ammunition in FOBOS. It's just a very unorthodox kind of ammunition. Kastera ^(talk) 16:14, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

But the page has been created and deleted twice already in the past. --Xa3 16:15, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, I was unaware of that. You say Porter deleted it once? I'm going to go message him and find out why it was deleted. Kastera ^(talk) 16:29, July 1, 2011 (UTC)