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Order Up is a side quest in Fallout 4 that takes place at Drumlin Diner. Trudy, the owner of the diner, can be heard arguing with Wolfgang over Trudy's son Patrick's debt. For all available options, talk to Wolfgang to begin the quest.

Quick walkthrough Edit

Side quest: Order Up
Talk to Wolfgang
Kill Trudy
Intimidate Wolfgang to leave.
Talk to Wolfgang
Talk to Trudy
Talk to Trudy
Reward: 150 XP
100/125/150/200 caps
Reward: 150 XP
140 caps
Convince Trudy to pay Wolfgang
Kill Wolfgang
Talk to Wolfgang
Talk to Trudy
Reward: 150 XP
100/125/150/200 caps
Reward: 150 XP
100/125/150/200 caps

Detailed walkthrough Edit

When the Sole Survivor discovers Drumlin Diner, they will hear an argument between Trudy and Wolfgang. The player can:

  1. Enter the diner and talk to Trudy. All conversation options result in her offering money for the player to kill Wolfgang. The player can ask for extra, accept, or refuse.
  2. Talk to Wolfgang. He and Simone will initially draw their weapons, but it is possible to ask what's going on.
  • It is possible to threaten him to lower his gun, then subsequently extort him for money, with a third check to get him to run off entirely. If the intimidation fails at any point, he and Simone will turn hostile. If they are killed, Trudy will reward the player. Until the third Charisma check, it is possible to ask what's going on, offer help, or make a sarcastic remark.

If Wolfgang isn't hostile or hasn't been driven off, he will ask for help, with either talking some sense into Trudy or taking her down.

  • The player can ask about Trudy. Wolfgang explains how he got her son Patrick hooked on Jet. The player can agree that they should pay what he owes, that Wolfgang's a scumbag for making him an addict, or that they're both in the wrong. The conversation returns to his offer.

The default payout is 100 caps, but the player can haggle for 125, 150, or as high as 200 (unless they hustled him earlier), to agree to talk to Trudy or join them in the attack, the latter of which turns Trudy and Patrick hostile.

Talking to Trudy after Wolfgang results in her refusing to pay up. The conversation can take one of a few turns:

  1. The player can offer to help her instead, in which case she'll offer 100 caps to kill Wolfgang. This can be haggled up to 125, 150, or as high as 200. Refusal to help Trudy turns her hostile.
  2. She can also be convinced or threatened to pay up. If the "end peacefully" option fails, the quest defaults to her offer to kill Wolfgang. If the "Threaten" option fails, she will turn hostile. If either option succeeds, the standoff comes to an end.

By this point, talk to whoever is still alive to complete the quest:

  • If Trudy is killed, Wolfgang takes over behind the counter and becomes available as a chems merchant.
  • If Wolfgang is killed or driven off, Trudy remains and becomes available as a general goods merchant.
  • If Trudy is convinced to pay up, she remains behind the counter while Wolfgang leans up against the wall outside. Both become available as merchants.

Quest stages Edit

StageStatusDescription
20 Talk with Wolfgang or Trudy
70 Talk with Trudy - Spoke to Wolfgang first
75 Kill Wolfgang - Spoke with Trudy first
1000 Talk with Wolfgang - Trudy and Patrick dead
2000 Talk with Trudy - Wolfgang and Simone dead
2100 Talk with Trudy - Wolfgang and Simone ran away
3000 Talk with Wolfgang - Convinced Trudy to pay debt
6000Quest finishedIcon checkQuest failed - everyone dead
6100Quest finishedIcon checkQuest failed - everyone hostile
7000Quest finishedIcon checkQuest complete

Companion reactions Edit

Talk to Wolfgang

  • Cait loves intimidating Wolfgang into lowering his gun. Danse, Hancock, MacCready, Preston, Strong, and X6-88 like this, everyone else dislikes it.
  • Codsworth, Curie, Deacon, Nick, Piper, and Strong like offering help. Preston and X6 dislike this, everyone else has no opinion.
  • The sarcastic option, stating "This world can bite my ass," yields likes from Cait and MacCready, dislikes from Codsworth, Curie, Danse, and Preston, and no reaction from anyone else.
  • Asking payment from Wolfgang after his money was demanded earlier elicits dislikes from Codsworth, Curie, Danse, Piper, and Preston. X6 likes doing this, however, and none of them react to asking for money if it was not demanded earlier. Deacon and Strong will always dislike under all circumstances, whereas Cait, Hancock, MacCready, and Nick will always have no response.
  • Inquiring about Trudy leads to three more choices. Virtually everyone dislikes saying "They should pay," even Cait and MacCready. X6 has no reaction. "You're both wrong" elicits likes from only Cait, Nick, Piper, and Preston, no reaction from the others. Everyone except Curie, Hancock and X6 will like calling him a scumbag. Curie dislikes the comment, Hancock and X6 have no reaction.
  • Everyone except Strong and X6 dislike "Join the attack." Strong and X6 like this approach. Codsworth, Curie, Deacon, Piper, and Preston like "Talk to Trudy," whereas Cait, Danse, MacCready, and Strong dislike this approach. Hancock and X6 have no reactions.

Talk to Trudy

  • Cait, Danse, Hancock, Nick, and Piper hate threatening Trudy into paying up; Codsworth, Curie, Deacon, MacCready, and Preston dislike the threat; only Strong and X6-88 like the threat.
  • Codsworth, Curie, Danse, Nick, Piper, and Preston like a peaceful resolution. Cait, Deacon, Hancock, MacCready, and Strong dislike this approach, X6 doesn't react.
  • Offering help to Trudy leads to her offer to kill Wolfgang. Codsworth, Curie, Deacon, Nick, Piper, and Preston like this choice, Danse and X6 dislike it, everyone else does not react.
  • Cait and X6 like haggling over the cost of Wolfgang's life, Codsworth and Danse hate it, Hancock and MacCready have no reactions, everyone else dislikes it.
  • Cait, Deacon, Hancock, MacCready, Strong, and X6 like agreeing to kill Wolfgang, whereas Codsworth, Curie, Danse, Nick, Piper, and Preston dislike this. These reactions are inverted when refusing to kill him, except for Danse and X6, who don't react to saying "No."
  • Talking to Trudy before Wolfgang yields no affinity changes, even though the dialogue options are similar to speaking to her second. Ultimately these choices lead to her offer to kill Wolfgang, which yield the same reactions as stated.

Notes Edit

  • This quest can also be initiated by talking to Trudy first, although this will only yield the option to kill Wolfgang and Simone. However, she will not turn hostile if the player refuses to kill Wolfgang, unlike if he was spoken to first.
  • If Wolfgang is convinced to turn tail and run off (all three Charisma checks), both he and his partner Simone can be just inside Goodneighbor, though they do not have any unique dialogue and will act as generic NPCs (i.e. they will only say "Yeah?" "Huh?" and "Yes?"). They will not offer merchant services, unlike at Drumlin Diner.
  • To get the most caps out of this quest, the player can threaten Wolfgang up to two times to extort some caps, then go to Trudy and offer help, asking for money 3 times to collect 200, then kill and loot Wolfgang and Simone, selling their gear to Trudy. This will net at least 245, plus whatever their gear sells for. This cannot be done the other way around, as Wolfgang will not raise his offer for help beyond 100 if he is extorted, even with successful Charisma checks.
  • The player can "walk away" from conversations mid-sentence by pressing the left control stick/WASD keys, without committing to help one or the other. In this way, it is possible to threaten Wolfgang with the first two Charisma checks, then exit mid-conversation and go to Trudy and get her to agree to paying up to 200 caps, walk away again, then go back to Wolfgang and tell him to leave with the third Charisma check, which will yield the 200 cap payout from Trudy.
  • It's possible that Wolfgang and Simone may already be in a shootout with Trudy and her son as the player arrives. The event can be seen unfolding from a fairly far distance away. Going into V.A.T.S., Wolfgang and Simone will appear as enemies (RED), while Trudy and her son will be friendlies (HUD color). If the player does nothing, neither will attack and Wolfgang can be heard telling the player to leave, but a companion may start attacking Wolfgang and Simone. After killing Wolfgang and Simone, Trudy can be bartered with, however the quest "Order Up" will never actually start nor finish, thus the player loses out on any affinity changes, increased cap rewards, and experience.

Behind the scenesEdit

The quest is seemingly referring Fallout New Vegas's quest By a Campfire on the Trail, when the Courier first meets Trudy in Goodsprings Saloon during a dispute between her and Jacob, as his gang is eager to capture Ringo and the town as well. The nearly indentical scenario happens again in the Commonwealth Wasteland, where Wolfgang holds up to force Trudy for Patrick's debt over the Jets. Curiously, both Jacob and Wolfgang share the same introductory line of "stop being nice" with Trudy, mockingly referring the same scene in the Mojave Wasteland counterpart.

BugsEdit

  • pcIcon pc ps4Icon ps4 xboxoneIcon xboxone If Wolfgang is killed during the "Talk to Wolfgang" objective at quest stage 3000, the objective will not clear, making the quest impossible to complete. The quest can still be failed by killing Trudy and Patrick.[verified]
  • pcIcon pc xboxoneIcon xboxone If Wolfgang and Simone are killed, their bodies do not disappear. They will appear as you left them, where you left them. But if you check the bodies several game days later, even if they were looted clean and still appear to be naked, NEW loot is back on the bodies. Visited regularly, the bodies can be re-looted several times.

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