Forum:What's your most hated creature in FNV?

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Other than Deathclaws, MOTHERFREAKING CAZADORS, I was doing the Charleston Cave quest when my team (me,Rex,Lily) were attacked by 5 cazadors and 2 young cazadors. We all died. D:

Cazadors, I can't f***ing stand those things. Easy enough to kill once you get decent weapons, but they inflict major damage and venom. Plus they usually found in groups.

Favorite weapons to dispatch them:

Gun: Hunting shotgun w/ choke and ext. mag

Melee: Fire Axe

Mcvtec 10:01, December 13 2010 (UTC)

my most hated foe, similarly, cazadors, or most annoying would be bloatflys, without vats both are hard to hit and you end up wasting ammo, conveniently enough ED-E and Boone usually get there attention so they ignore me for the 10 seconds it takes for them to knock out ED-E/Boone, only hard place ive found is outside the brewers bootleg shack or w/e it is, if i reload a save there for some reason i aggro every cazador within a 20 mile radius (it seems) and i end up being mobbed. Sounga 20:25, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

My Most hated would be a tie between cazadors and giant rad scorpions, but mostly Giant Rad Scorpions, just like fallout 3, except they are not as prevalent in FNV. But they are a bitch to kill. I prefer deathclaws over them sons of b*****s. --XxWillSxX 22:24, December 13, 2010 (UTC)XxWillSxX

Cazadors as well. Not because they're hard to fight, but because they just aren't fun to kill. They move so fast and erratically it makes them hard to shoot with anything other than spray and pray or shotguns. --Pongsifu 22:27, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Cazadores---Mended Flesh- 23:14, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

depends on my mood, I'll use Mercy at range if I'm really pissed off at them, but the riot shot gun or LMG also work pretty well. if all else fails, the all-american will do just fine.

Cazadores all the way. Lenov 02:20, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

definetely those god forsaken cazadors. yeah deathclaws are brutal as well, and will merc ur ass in 2-3 hits. but if ur a decent shot with the anti-material rifle you can pick those bastards off with headshots from a relatively safe distance. but cazadors on the other hand, are quick and nimble, and even when they dont know your there, and you try to snipe its still a mother to try and hit just one, and if you do, then you got the whole damn nest on you lickety split. and then you have to worry about have enough antivenom just to ensure you dont die from the poison. dont know how many time ive survived a nest attack just to die from being poisoned. yeah cazadors are assholes

Seventh-ing the Cazador hate --Voltaic Volition 09:58, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Eighth to hate the Cazadores. Good call Pongsifu with the dull killing process. The stage in Bleed Me Dry where you have to go after the Cazador eggs is the worst ever. Don11122

ninth Cazadors i usually use a flamer or incinerator that kills them fairly well, I think Deathclaws are more deadly than in fallout 3, faster and stronger and take more to kill. Sopcannon

Guys what are your favorite weapons to get rid of these things? Mcvtec 15:10, December 16 2010 (UTC)

miniguns stuff like that where u dont have to be accurate when you aim, easiest for guns chars for me. Sounga 22:27, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Riot shotgun seems pretty effective for them, but since the marksman carbine is my favorite weapon, I tend to use that. I just don't bother using the scope against Cazadores. --Pongsifu 22:30, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

I really hated Cazadors until I've discovered that the simple laser pistol + energy weapons skill in 25 + fast shot trait make them go down fast. And I'm mean really fast! And this is before the latest patch (1.2), now is even faster. LOL I'm starting to hate Lakelurks, sure they are easy to kill IF you don't let them use their sonic attack. Man, this thing hurts bad! Brfritos 18:19, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Cazadors are a great addition to the game. They are very fast, deliver huge amounts of damage plus envenomate you and often sense you coming up on them due to their high perception. This makes fighting them, even at Level 30, a challenge. There is no fun in simply being able to blow away every critter you come across, where is the fun in that hmm? As well, the Deathclaws are much nastier than the Captial Wasteland variety and again, more challenging = more fun! Captain Taipan 10:26, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Deathclaws and Radscorpions are more of a threat than Cazadores, but notice how nobody mentioned them? It isn't because they are hard (they actually aren't all that tough), it is because they are boring and annoying. Mantises are pretty boring too, it is just lame shooting a stupid mantis. Just as boring as it was in Fallout and Fallout 2. --Pongsifu 05:33, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Taipan, its one thing for a game to be challenging and fun but its another thing to be killed constantly to the point, to the point you absolutely detest the game. Cazadors are extremely fucking annoying and quite frankly, I wish there was a patch which removes them from the game. THere are points in New Vegas where I desperately try to avoid area with Cazadors but they always find me, even with a follower, they still kill me ( followers are completely useless in New Vegas, they constantly get knocked out). I appreciate a challenge and dont mind dieing in NV but killed repeatitly by fucking insects. No thanks.86.164.81.148 18:34, December 18, 2010 (UTC) Sec 19

Did you try lowering the difficulty setting? Is not a shame thing to do, did you know? Brfritos 05:24, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

if you have ED-E, and know they're ahead of you, i find it best to pick them off singly, with the sniper rifle. if i get caught by surprise, amidst a bunch of them, i grap my 10mmSMG, with the extended clip. and spray like a madman, while running backwards.173.171.31.92 21:30, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

For me, it's gotta be Anontrolls, my best weapon? The Rollback Pistol.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 21:34, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree that the Cazadores are great because they add an element of panic hahaha I love feeling scared for my life! It makes you feel like you're there fighting these things and that sort of realism is what Ive come to expect from these games. As for killing them my Plasma Defender is pretty boss :) For a Non-energy weapons character a Weapon with high DPS like the Assault Carbine is pretty fun, or if you want to keep your distance but still want a challenge try a scoped weapon like the Gauss Rifle or Sniper Rifle. The Anti-Material Rifle is pretty good for this. It forces you to be quick because they move so fast which I like cause i am HORRIBLE at aiming with scoped weapons hahaha It is worth mentioning that when in V.A.T.S. you should try to cripple their wings. It makes them much easier to kill because their less of a threat when they cant fly. Cazadores ARE NOT INVINCIBLE do not let them get the best of you they can be killed just as easily as any other enemy, beast, or insect in the game. I understand that when youre a lower level and do not have the best armor and weapons that they are very hard to kill but it is not impossible. When they bring up their stinger the expose their belly for a second making them more vulnerable because you have a greater chance of scoring a direct hit in V.A.T.S. to pretty much any of their body parts. As for the whole not dying thing its not a bad idea to hotkey Antivenom, Stimpaks, Super Stims, and Doctors Bags as their attacks will poison, cripple you, and drain your Health quickly. Also I cant stress enough the importance of having a high Damage Threshold, and that rings true for pretty much every enemy you face. Personally I feel that Cazadores are much easier to face than a Deathclaw hahaha. I didnt mean for this to become a speech but oh well. Id love to hear any other ideas, tips or flaws in my combat strategy for fighting Cazadores! :) Fisto! The Relentless 02:39, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Death claws- fucking unstoppable. Especially in groups. They seem to have a natural resistance to just about everything you throw at them. Your best bet to killing them is to climb your way into an area they can't reach and pick them off slowly, or lob grenades and other explosives to cripple their legs. Oh, and if you guys want to see a fuckton of deathclaws (20+):

Head to the far bottom right corner of the map, across the river. At the shore, you should see a bay with a bunch of of lurks swimming around. Go to the shoreline and from there, head north along the cost. Keep working yourself eastward as you go, and when you get about halfway to the dam, you'll find a pathway that leads to a clearing in the rocks. In there, you'll find a couple of deathclaws. Kill them off and head immediately to your right. You'll come across a big clearing where a crapload of deathclaws are, including alpha males and deathclaw mothers. Try not to die... Oh, and if this is listed somewhere, please delete this. --Viper720666 22:38, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

1st off , it IS listed as an unmarked Deathclaw sanctuary BUT its not commonly known so i think that should stay. 2nd. Although Cazadores are highly annoying and dangerous in large groups , i still crap myself more when i see a group of Deathclaws running at me so i'm gonna say Deathclaws are tougher but i hate Cazadores more. 94.6.150.102 00:17, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

@ Viper720666 thanks for the location of the Deathclaw group.

Often I like to go out Deathclaw hunting, and at times I wish I could completely disable perception for more of a challenge. Another way to make it a challenge is to use a weak rifle and wittle down their health from afar.

@ Jasper42 I don't know what Anontrolls are, or what the rollback pistol is.

When it comes to Casadors, at least they usually have poison glands that are quite valuable. Mcvtec 09:24 AM, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cazadors are the worst. Deathclaws hit you backwards giving you a chance to shoot them or heal but cazadors poison you so that even after the battle you can die plus the're hard to kill/even hit for a low level character.--UserofMagnum 18:36, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cazadores and Deathclaws. Tezzla Cannon 18:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

I just remembered Fire geckos :( Basically anything that poisons you is my most hated foe.--UserofMagnum 18:49, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

It used to be Cazadors until I discovered the Laser RCW - now my most hated creature is: Mr House - LOLP3dantic

Since Dead Money, every thing in That expansion is evil. especialliy the things that blow ur head up, but especially the ones that dont break.

The Alien Blaster solves the Deathclaw problem quite nicely. The big problem I have with that is that whatever Alien Power Cells you find on the Alien Captain are all you get if you are a Xbox/PS3 player as we don't have access to console commands to produce more. XavierGTR 12:50, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

I usually only use the Alien Blaster as a last resort, but it is nice to have as early on as possible to deal with tough creatures that would otherwise devistate you until better weapons and armor are found. Mcvtec 22:48, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Cazadors and Deathclaws I argee that i'm glad they are in it it adds a great sense of dread I use the all american to take them out. Knight Captain Kerr 14:17, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

I love the regal, majestic deathclaw. If you have a decent ability to lead the shots of a slow moving plasma gun, I find the Q-35 Matter Modulator works wonders against deathclaws, as I took down all of Quarry Junction with it from a distance and I have a mediocre Engergy Weapon skill level. GONZO - the editor formerly known as Butcher Pete 01:11, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

I hate golden geckos because if you kill them with melee they give you like 50-80 rads 01:45, January 5, 2011 (UTC)Evilkord

I hate Cazadors the most because they can take a .50 cal from the AM rifle and still keep flying. that and they can wipe you out pretty pronto. Oh yeah and all that nasty poison with the stingin sound...

I actually quite like Deathclaws - worthy opponents. Gunner Bill 16:22, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Cazadors, 'nuff said. God's in his Heaven... All's right with the world 16:27, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Cazadors, not that i have problem killin em, but i HATE that stupid "BUG" on followers,, everytime they apply poison on em it stacks & they have mostly low poison resistance, when u use stimpak to heal em they die because system at a time of use of stimpack does whole dmg - f.e. 5x poison = death while use of stimpack so almost every fight with em im saving / loading like idiot maybe even 8 times till noone dies.. other thing i hate is that stupid auto running/engage of followers,, just yesterday i saved quicksave and 2 secs after that notice rex died... after that i loaded, quick to pBOY and tele somewhere so "he will not die" died anyway but now even autosave was ... so i wasted hour looking into how to use console to ress him,, as for their tactics i told both to stay close and attack only if i attack 1st,, but looks like that doesnt work at all.. both rex, veronica went after deathclaws what i didnt even had on my radar, and was far away from me...

Holograms. Don't much care for the idea of invincible enemies. Also, children. :) Minor Edits 03:18, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Cazadors are very annoying. I kill deathclaws with 9mms for fun and with throwing spears. However, i just don't like cazadors. They are too nimble and you have to carry antivenom with you, which isn't a common thing to find. I'd rather fight all the deathclaws in Deathclaw Promontory than fight a pack 5 cazadors.--{{SUBST:User:AFGHAN PSYCHO/Sig}} 03:25, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

I join the anti-cazador party, freakin hard-to-hit-huge-damage-dealers-fast-ass-insects!!! Deathclaws are easy as pie with a .50 cal. seriously just get the AM rifle and kill Deathclaw promontory, also they cannot climb so...they are even easier, my favorite weapon to kill those insect bastards is vance's 9mm SMG with hollow point ammo and try to cripple their antennaes...bad thing is they seem to appear in bigger groups as you level up so that stops working at some point, also the HP ammo is quite rare, i have +100.000.000 caps so i buy all the ammo i can and even with that a group of cazadors burns all my HP ammo.--Nuke-a-Punch 06:25, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Try using a fully modded hunting shotgun. It usually kills them in one shot, and if it doesn't it still knocks them back.--{{SUBST:User:AFGHAN PSYCHO/Sig}} 06:31, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

I was reading this post and it is pretty funny. i thought i was the only person to hate a few of the creatures on here. I hate deathclaws. they are way overpowered. Even with brotherhood headgear, if a pack attack you, like near sloan, u die. u can be 30th level with ed-e and lily/cass/vern and it won't matter. If 6 attack u (especially in hardcore mode), kiss that part of the adventure goodbye. One way to attack Cazadores is to aim for one wing. If u take out one of the wings, they flip over and that gives you and the crew a chance to kill them before they can sting u. I prefer them over claws. claws, u can hit them all day and nothing. giant rads are annoying too. I try to go for the legs or body, nothing else really matters to them and they are so armored no matter what u have it seems to do very little damage.

What are you talking about. Deathclaws were so much tougher in Fallout 3. In New Vegas, there are too many weapons that can one hit Deathclaws. One word, Holorifle.--{{SUBST:User:AFGHAN PSYCHO/Sig}} 19:55, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Deathclaws tougher in F3? nah they where even easier, just got freakin' riot shotgun an killed them all, in NV you need AM rifle and nothing else they are still easy and even more if you're sneaky, they are easy with the right equipment and if they dont caught you off-guard, cazadors are freakin' harder.

You see,the thing is, in Fallout 3, there weren't many scoped weapons. However, in New Vegas, there are many weapons with max zoom and when you sneak attack them, you can continue to because they cant detect you because you are so far away. You don't need a riot shotgun. I started killing them for fun with throwing spears and the Knife Spear clean. There are way too many weapons in New Vegas the kill them easily. One of the most fun ways I've found to kill them is using the Oh Baby. Oh how I love the sound of a Deathclaw's head popping.--{{SUBST:User:AFGHAN PSYCHO/Sig}} 20:27, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

During my early days with FNV i died and cried with many a fellow courier when faced with cazadors, now i either shoot wings from a medium distance or use the Flamer up close and burn them all.--Wastelander007 11:41, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Definetly manny vargas. not sure why.--Icommandoxx 02:50, February 13, 2011 (UTC)icommandoxx

I absolutely agree with the anti-cazadore group, cazadores are a frickin pain in the arse. NOT FUN. You could just get a grenade machine gun and carpet bomb them, or a heavy incineratot, those will do that as well. But really, use VATS. I actually LOVE killing deathclaws ALOT, especially with a hi-power sniper like an AM or YCS/186, and it's REALLY fun obliterating d-claw heads with Oh Baby! Block their leap attack, and then smash them up :D A fully modded minigun with AP ammo is very fun! Just make sure that you tactically reload by unequipping and the re-equipping before you run out of ammo, or just use something else. Also, check this guy out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5NfMGo_M0w&feature=related Kanonamos 07:35, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

SergeantDornan:

This is a very hard tossup between those f***ing Cazadores and damned Deathclaws. Honestly, it is hard as hell to choose which one I hate most of the two. On the one hand, Deathclaws are much less common in NV then they were in Fallout 3. On the other hand, they are much tougher too. I swear, they can take more damage in NV then they could in FO. Cazadores are EVERYWHERE though, and if you want to go expoloring, you WILL run into them at some point; especially if you go into the mountainous areas of the game. If I have to pick just ONE, I would give a very slight edge to the Cazadores. They really piss me off sometimes. All it takes is just a few to take you out, even at level 30.

Don't get me wrong, I love having them in the game--Deathclaws too, but they are a royal pain in the ass. I often will take long routes to get to places just to avoid the mountains where I know they are at, so I don't have to deal with them. It sure adds to the danger aspect though.

A word about deathclaws--those things are dangerous enough one on one, but get a group of them charging your ass, and it's over. I wandered into the Quarry once on accident, not realizing where I was untill I recognized the sand dunes, and tried to make it through quickly. Didn't work. And I also tried that quest for Red Lucy--I got surrounded very quickly, and poor Veronica didn't stand a damned chance. Deathclaws are more deadly, Cazadores more annoying. They are NV version of Giant Radscorpions. in FO3 those things were hell, it seemd I couldn't go for two mins without running into one of those F***ing things. I am GLAD they are rare in NV!

My most hated enemy in new vegas is fighting primm slim at level 30 after accidentall pulling the triger on luckyFryingpan57 01:55, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

SergeantDornan: I've never tried to destroy Primm Slim before...Thanks for the idea! I hate ropbots, because of FO3. I was never one to carry around EMp type weapons like the pulse grenades, and in NV I don't either...so when I DO run into the rougher ones, it can be a very protracted battle. DEATH TO ALL ROBOTS!! And Mr House :) Dont try attacking primm slim if your at level 20 or 30 and if you do decide to have at least 3 pulse grenades for me at level 30 he took 2 pulse grenades and sied with a pulse shot from the the pulse gunFryingpan57 02:09, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

You people need to try an explosives build, cleanning Quarry Junction is easy-peasy, like Yes-Man says. I have a group of four deathclaws going to attack me - I entered too much inside the Quarry, level 16 courier - and after tossing 5 or 6 grenades their legs were all crippled. I kill them all with Knock-Knock! I'm not joking. Explosives are a powerfull build, but you need to plan a lot what perks you will get, that's why unarmed blends very well with it (better than melee, BTW). Brfritos 09:08, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

SergeantDornan: I actually loved my explosives expert in FO3...I just haven't gotten around to trying one in NV yet. The high priced ammo for grenade rifles, Missile launchers, and even grenades has also been responsible for my lack of motivation to really get into an explosives build. I might have to try one though for my next play through. I am currently making a "big guns" specialist for using gatling lasers and minnie-guns, so maybe I'll give her a high explosives skill as well.

I freaking hate Deathclaws. Their the main reason I haven't gone to Quarry Junction yet, at least not until I get an AMR. I hate the Blind Deathclaws the most. I ran into a pack of them and it didn't matter where I went to try and get away from them, they still found me, despite the fact that their BLIND. I managed to take down ONE of them only because, while in VATS, the Mysterious Stranger perk kicked in(it was hysterical watching a guy in a trenchcoat take down a Deathclaw with a .44mag at close range). I think that the best weapon to take down Deathclaws, especially if their up in your face, is the Gattling Laser with high Energy Weapons and Big Guns skills or the LMG with 5.56mm armor piercing rounds.--Ryker6120:51, February 20, 2011 (UTC)~12:51pm 2/20/2011.

Q-35; Cazadors are my ****ng nemesis; small, fast, poisonous - I take them out from long range by posting Boone on a vantage point and stopping them from getting to him with a Sequoia with hollow point. interestingly Cazo is Italian for fuck.

Automatic rifle is good if you like to get in close, and have Dead Money

Deathclaws give me the most problems...Once I have ED-E and Boone the Cazadors seems easy enough. Deathclaws have given me problems in both NV and 3...Hate them the most.

Cazadors and Deathclaws are pretty easy late in the game, What the worse thing is, try keeping your companions alive AND kill the mobs on hardcore mode. Its 100% easier not to bring them along so I take them for the challenge.Kaldhore 22:13, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Also if we are now gonna include Dead money, then it has to be the Ghost People who throw the gas tanks when you are playing hardcore mode and have the trait Small Frame , and very little amount of Doctors bags.Kaldhore 22:21, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Especially early in the game, Cazadors drive me nuts but I love the challenge. A missile launcher (hello Annabelle) is very effective against 'em, depending on the setting. Maybe not so much in a cave environment like Lucky Jim Mines (I think that was it), but outdoors it works well. Even when you don't have a good clear shot, a high explosive missile against a nearby rock or cliff can splash damage 'em pretty good. Any survivors are easy pickins. Also love snipin' 'em at range with my base, but fully-modded (scope/optics/splitter) laser rifle - amazingly effective, even at somewhat lower levels. No love lost for deathclaws either. Especially in bunches and in non-sniping environments. I just found out about that unmarked deathclaw hotbed across the river and will be trying it this afternoon. Thinking of packing power armour, fatman.... the works! Anticipating a brutal fight. TedShred 21:42, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Right dipsh*ts i've just read through this entire page and realized your all dumbf**ks seriously if u have problems wth cazadors i got 2 words 4 u MODIFIED FLAMER ....... Trust me use that mothaf**ker while running backwards and jumping you can take out any amount of f**kin flying radscorpions ( wth a average energy weapons skill and ok armour)And deathclaws are easy to take out all i did was take em out one by one by getting there attention then running like fuck across the ground covered in powder charges and mines while taking the occasional potshot with a high DAM weapon... hope u enjoyed my rant and my tactics are genius so don't knock em lolz - love, Joshorod

Cazadors. I hate them to the point I could puke blood. Zombieninjadavidbowie 22:44, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong with Cazadors guys? Deathclaws have freakin 500 HP!I can kill a cazador in 5 seconds with a caravan shotgun! Deathclaws all the way!!!

Cazadores seem to be the prevailing opinion for most hated Fallout: New Vegas creatures. Pretty much have to be prepared to fight Cazadores, otherwise they'll easily kill you (or almost). But in both FO3 and FO:NV, if I had a choice between fighting 5 Cazadores, 4 Feral Ghoul Reavers, 3 Deathclaws, 2 Albino Radscorpians or a Super Mutant Behemoth I would have to go with 5 Cazadores, or 3 Deathclaws. --Tag! 01:53, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Cazadores aren't a problem after OWB. . .But the creature I really hate, mantis. They just bother me, not hard to kill, or avoid or anything really. I just don't like them. Not sure why. XxSick DemonxX 04:24, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Deathclaws are underpowered by comparison to the way they made the insects in this game; the cazadors can kill you in a snap with their speed, attack and venom, the giant radscorpion is hard to take down and leaves plenty of blood, but at least it's as slow as mallases... NCRFirstReconSniper 00:40, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

write player.placeatme 11324a in console command to meet Goijra-gigant fire gecko with 8000hp then try to stay hidden...

Piece of cake if you can prepare for it: Remnants helmet, gecko backed reinforced metal armor, atomic cocktail, fire ant nectar, med-x, slasher, Whiskey Rose perk, large wasteland tequila, wasteland tequila, whiskey. I called it standing in the middle of NoVac courtyard. Hit it in the head using modded gatling laser loaded with max overcharge, it bent over and covered its eyes. I killed it on Hard without even having to reload and took almost no damage. GRPeng 01:14, September 19, 2011 (UTC) Hmm, not no damage, it took armor down to 20% on Very Hard.

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I tend to just avoid Caz since they kill followers fast and are not really worth fighting with... Deathclaws are too majestic to hate. I would have to say either those nightstalkers for the lethal factor or the bloatfly for just being irritating hard to hit targets.

--TH1RTE3N 19:27, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Cazadores. They have a nasty habit of surrounding you, and poison, and do lots of limb damage. 207.245.200.54 05:32, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

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those damn tunnlers--Gogoloco 21:21, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

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Until now, the cazadores... Usually, I use a modded Laser RCW to dispatch them at close or middle range. For long range I use any scoped gun (mainly Christine's COS silencer rifle or Trail carbine). --Yull 12:50, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

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