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Hi guys,
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- Hello. I'd like to know if this community might be interested in testing out the new VisualEditor option. You may have read some details about how it works on the Community Central forum and on the Help page. You can also check out the feature on the Community Test Wikia.
- We'd be interested in enabling it here as soon as next Thursday or Friday, once the option to upload images and add videos has been released. Please let me know if this community might be interested, and if you have any questions or concerns please don't be shy. Thanks! -BertH (help forum | blog) 00:25, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if as many people as possible can try it out and leave your impressions here. On this timescale we don't have time for our usual voting process, but if we have some sort of early consensus view that would be great.
I've already asked which editor would be default, and if we can control that. Agent c (talk) 01:08, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
Opinions[]
It looks great, and certainly outperforms the old visual-editor. But i never use the old visual editor because i dislike it so much compared to the classic source-style. The new version is competition for the source, but i still prefer the source. Main reasons: a) I'm used to the old: old has certainties about how to find all stuff and the power of habbit b) It seems easier to edit pages that already exist in the old source editing (for example, links to other pages aren't displayed with the [ [] ] while editing an existing page. For making new pages, I'd prefer the new one, but for what we now do most, i'd prefer to keep the old since we can still see how stuff looks if we press "preview" in the source mode.
Well, that just my 2 cents on my first impressions and experiment on the testwiki that runs the new stuff. I may test some more later on, but now it's too late. -- Greets 01:22, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
Although I don't do tons of editing, I will say that I like our current editor much better. It doesn't look as nice, but it is a lot easier to use with less navigation through menus. Which is much more time effective. I would like to hear what Jspoel has to say on the matter, since he does a lot of editing. --MountHail (talk) 01:38, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
The feature seems interesting and I can understand it being useful for newer, less skilled users. My main concern is that, according to the forum, the current version of the VisualEditor does not allow people to switch between it and source mode. That could definitely be a concern for more veteran editors on here who prefer it. Paladin117>>iff bored; 01:52, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
- I'm ok with giving it a try. I know Wikia has spent a great amount of time and effort in this "Darwin" project, it's only fair we lend a hand in testing it I think. As far as I can see it's a considerable upgrade of the old visual editor, without the annoyances (see Community Central forum for the features). And it's clearly still in further development with some interesting options I'd like to try (how will infoboxes look and work etc, image manipulation etc.) To be honest, I'm rather fond of the source mode editor and have my doubts the new visual editor will be an improvement to work with, but we'll see. Keep in mind that when the VisualEditor is enabled, the source mode will also still be available in the dropdown menu, so there should be no risk. Jspoel 15:55, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Are you sure source mode will still be usable? Because in that forum it specifically lists "Switching to source mode (and back) during your edit" under the "What it doesn't do yet" list. Paladin117>>iff bored; 16:10, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Above the line "Using VisualEditor, you can:" in Community Central forum it reads source mode is still available. Jspoel 16:19, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
- I have been waiting to see this. I've played with the new visual editor at Wikpedia a bit and like it. It looks like the new one here is similar. There's a few basic ticks we need to cross off the list though:
- There must be a way for users who desire to use the basic editor to continue using that. I can't images how much harder it would be to create templates in the new visual editor when you're using a mix of html, wikimarkup and javascript. Either a user selectable option in user preferences, or at the very least, a gadget you can choose to enable.
- I have no problem, and would probably suggest, that anons and new users have the new visual editor as their default editor. It is simply a much easier editor to use when you do not know any wikimarkup at all. When users attain a better understanding of wikimarkup and html, they can then switch if they desire (and the option is availble).
- I have not checked to see if the new visual editor leaves a bunch of html artifacts like the old one did. It is quite possible that editors using basic may have to clean up some of these artifacts the visual editor leaves, as they may only be visible in source (or even html source). Just saying, it may create a burden. No sure, haven't checked it enough to know.
- I'm perfectly fine with trying this out for Wikia. Even a short term trail if it does not include a way to switch editors. If no way to switch editors is available, this should be a short duration test and we go back to the basic editor after a predetermined time. The Gunny 18:25, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
- I have been waiting to see this. I've played with the new visual editor at Wikpedia a bit and like it. It looks like the new one here is similar. There's a few basic ticks we need to cross off the list though:
- Above the line "Using VisualEditor, you can:" in Community Central forum it reads source mode is still available. Jspoel 16:19, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Are you sure source mode will still be usable? Because in that forum it specifically lists "Switching to source mode (and back) during your edit" under the "What it doesn't do yet" list. Paladin117>>iff bored; 16:10, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
Update from wikia
- Thanks for considering! As you may have noted from some of the information I linked to, the main "Edit" button will lead to the new VisualEditor. The current Wikia editing experience will still be available from the "Classic editor" option on the "Edit" drop menu. For most communities that means source mode and the older visual mode, but for Fallout it would just be source mode. We're also working on a way to edit source while using the new VisualEditor, which should be available in a few weeks (the "Classic editor" option will remain even after that, though). There is also an individual user preference to disable VisualEditor (currently separate from the existing "disable visual editing" preference). Let me know if you have any other questions. -BertH @Wikia (help forum | blog) 17:27, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
I think this solves our bigger issues. Agent c (talk) 17:44, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
I just gave this a try in 3 different browsers (Safari, Chrome and Opera) and in all 3 cases the response of clicking the 'edit' button is significantly slower than with the classic editor. Not only that, the CC wiki seems to be much slower to navigate than it normally is. After switching back to Nukapedia, everything sped up again. I can see where this may be useful for less experienced editors (and even that is a stretch, as I began editing on the Elder Scrolls wiki and found the current visual editor horrendously confusing), but it can not come at the expense of site functionality. Regardless of whether or not it is implemented I don't think I will be using it. ōrdō āb chao 00:15, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
The problem with the Visual editor in the past is that it significantly reduces site performance and increases loading times on pages substantially. Until we have definitive proof that this new visual editor has fixed both problems, I am strongly opposed to implementation of the new visual editor. However once those issues are out of the way, as long as the source mode is still an option for the more experience editors (which it seems to be based on what I've read here) I'm not opposed to having it become the default for new and anonymous users. ---bleep196- (talk) 02:05, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
- As I stated above, Community Central's performance seemed to be noticeably slower after the implementation of the new visual editor. Whether this was an isolated incident or not I don't know. Can anyone test this to see if they have a similar result? ōrdō āb chao 04:08, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
Wikia has stated that this will become mandatory across all wikis. I say we just bite the bullet and get it implemented here so we can learn how to adapt with it and so we can send our feedback in earlier rather than later when feedback might no longer matter. Some Assembly Required! 16:31, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
- Mandatory? Are they serious?Have they forgotten what happened last time? They lost several wikis, among them WOW and The Vault. From what I'm hearing they have improved it significantly, but unless they have fully tested it and resolved the performance issues, then they just force it down everyone's throats there is going to be a rather large outcry. ---bleep196- (talk) 21:50, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Relax. Visual Editor won't be mandatory, it will be WikiFeature which can be switched on and off. Fluid Layout (variable screenwidth) though will. We'll be getting a wider screen on PC, small on mobile, for example. Jspoel 21:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry - I should have clarified. I meant mandatory as in it will be implemented here and we won't have the option to disable it entirely like we did before. J is right though in that it can be turned on/off through the Admin tools. (For now) Some Assembly Required! 22:05, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Relax. Visual Editor won't be mandatory, it will be WikiFeature which can be switched on and off. Fluid Layout (variable screenwidth) though will. We'll be getting a wider screen on PC, small on mobile, for example. Jspoel 21:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)