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Yesterday night I was at chat talking with some users but then the topic derailed into disturbing subjects, and I decided to sit that one out until the topic reverted to something more appropriate. I decided to not complain by fear of causing even more animosity against me in chat, since my reputation is already damaged enough because of the slander campaign brought against me a key people in this wikia.

While I was sitting the topic out by not manifesting myself, the administrator Limmie Girl came in and sent me a threatening and provoking private message trying to get me to do something that would give her cause to harass me or even ban me. I decided to not let myself be trapped in the ambush and instead opted to ignore the bait. However, that caused Limmie Girl to become frustrated and so she kicked me even without cause. There were plenty of people on the chat that witnessed this and they may be able to confirm if they weren't already swindled by Tociono Man and Limmie Girl to "see" things the way it is most convincing to them. Maybe if the logs are shown as well. You will see that I did noting to provoke that punishment, I didn't say anything at all and I was just staying silent and waiting for the topic to return to something that was not inappropriate.

This is blatant power abuse of her administrative rights. She had no grounds to exert her powers on me that time, and only did it to continue the bullying against me. Just like the page Tocino Man made to mock me and all the hurtful jokes people say about me in chat and around the wikia, and how Limmie Girl is always leading the lynch mob and then posing as the good girl in this who only wants to make amends, but then even explicitly abusing her powers that were given to her by the community just to get a kick out of me (no pun was intended).

All I want is to stop being the butt of every joke in the chat and the wikia, to stop being a pariah that nobody wants to have anything with, and to revert the animosity I have with the other members of the wikia. Every other time I tried to bring to light what is happening on the wikia I was mocked and silenced, but I hope now the wikia will not choose to turn a blind eye to this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corniolio (talkcontribs) 16:48, September 14, 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

I can say you annoy Limmiegirl by saying Limmie Girl (as she told you before). Energy X 16:49, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Having been on a hiatus from the Fallout Wiki due to work i was able to find the time to drop into the chat room and as fate would have it i arrived just before this little ordeal, now from what ive seen you seem to be nothing more but an instigator Cornelio, me and Hawk were having a little chat amongst each other as pals, yes we were saying some bizzare stuff but thats what me and Hawk do for lols, but when Limmie joined you began to say things such as being harassed and apologised for no reasons at all, quite frankly if you will begin to act in these fashions then the chat room is not a place for you to be in, we have done nothing wrong to you, we have been very kind towards you yet you act as if this is a school play ground and we are bullying you, if thats your attitude then don't bother joining the chat room, simple as that.AaaaaTheNemesisx 16:57, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Please provide the content of this Private Message, a screenshot or, if you do not have either of the original sources, a summary of the conversation. Without any of this you are making accusations based upon withdrawn evidence, as such your claims would be null and void. I also point out that in the event the actions of one administrative staff member are deemed unacceptable or questionable it should be brought to the attention of a fellow Administrator, Moderator or B'Crat and not to the wide audience of the forums. Neko-signature Gothic NekoNeko's Haunt 16:58, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Corn, I think I've been more than fair to you in the past. However I'm not seeing a lot here that gives me cause to investigate. You don't even mention what the messages allegedly said. Can you tell us the time of the alleged kick so we an confirm this in the log? I'm more inclined to believe Nem, here in sayng you did participate in a discussion beforehand, espcieally as he isn't as regular as he used to be. Agent c (talk) 18:23, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

It seems like you've had problems with this in the past. Typically a user isn't brought in to this sort of trouble unless they are indeed trouble. Like Neko said, don't bring this to the fora, you can always tell an admin like myself, or a bureaucrat. This will just bring about unnecessary comments and problems. Like Jake pointed out, perhaps chat isn't the place for you, and you should stay away.--Bunny2Bubble 18:29, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit. If you cannot meet this, you better hope someone else can, otherwise this claim is baseless. --Skire (talk) 18:43, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention that this is a serious accusation you are bringing up. If not properly evidenced by either screenshots of the PM or reliable witnesses, it can well be considered defamation. Think about it. --C'n-Frankie -ArroyoTalk 18:54, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think we all need to hold back on further comment... Hopefully Gunny will have the logs when he wakes up. Either Corn said nothing or he did say something first. Either way, we'll know what this is, and what action to take at that point. However Corn, if there's something you've left out, maybe something that you did say in main chat first, now is the time to tell us before this goes further, as a less than truthful accusation will not be taken well. The same goes for Limmie, if there is something that did happen, we need to know now before this goes further. Agent c (talk) 19:26, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

When I came into chat last night the others remarked that you had just left at the same time. However, your name was still appearing in the side bar for me. When I asked the others if they could see you there, they said that they didn't. I assumed it could be a glitch in the system, that I coming in at the same time as you left somehow left your account open despite your not really being there. So I tried to contact you through PM to see if you were indeed still in chat or if that was just a ghost image caused by a glitch. I have no idea how you interpreted my PM as 'threatening and provoking'. All I wrote to you was: "Corn, are you still on chat? The others are saying that you left already and they can't see you". When you didn't answer, I assumed that you indeed had left, and thought that maybe kicking the ghost the glitch would be solved. I even warned I was going to do that by saying "It seems you're not here after all, so I'll kick you from chat to see if the situation will be fixed". Maybe you took that as a threat, but it wasn't meant as one.

I tried to explain that to you after you came back protesting the kick, but you left quickly after without waiting for the explanation. For what is worth, I'm sorry for whatever major inconvenience my kicking you caused. It wasn't done in order to harass you, so please don't take it as if it were so. Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 20:30, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

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Please note, private messages do not show in a chat log. If Corn has screen shots of private messages, he will need to upload them. I also have a complete log of chat (1.2megs) if needed. I only took shots where there were active comments related to the accusations. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 20:16, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

I see no further cause for action at this point. Corn, if you want to "Sit this one out", then sit it out, don't keep posting. Limmie didn't "bully" you in any way shape or form, the kick was for a chat glitch, as was explained at the time. I think its time for you to reaquant yourself with what is arguably the most important rule on this wiki - assume good faith - if you cannot assume good faith when it comes to Limmiegirl, then I think we're going to have a problem. Agent c (talk) 20:23, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
At this point, I don't know whether you actually believed you're being bullied, or just being plain ridiculous. This is taking away valuable time from actual issues.--Bunny2Bubble 20:33, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you could've interpreted the situation the way you did, Corn. The matter is clear as crystal to me, so perhaps it was extreme ignorance and I'll count it as an honest mistake. The next time a completely baseless accusation of this calibre is brought up, there will be disciplinary action. --Skire (talk) 20:35, September 14, 2012 (UTC)


Ok, I've reviewed the chat logs that have been posted here. If I were there, personally if you would have come back and mouthed off like you did when I was online you would be banned from chat for at least 3 days. You are the instigator in this situation. Limmie tried to explain and you clearly did not want to listen to what she had to say. Fact of the matter here is that you are in the wrong and Limmie did not abuse her powers nor did anyone else "bully" you for no reason. They were responding to your instigating attitude. Next time you are in chat try being more respectful of people's opinions and not be an irritant or instigate arguments. Case closed.--Kingclyde (talk) 00:19, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Please... This keeps happening even though I am only trying to help the community, I am not trying to cause disruption I just want my voice to be heard without being labeled as a troll or wuss by everyone... If this was the wrong way to bring this to light them I am so sorry, but I just can't take this anymore. I used to have fun chatting with people and it was a great way to just pass the time and forget my problems, but ever since this all started I've been turned into a walking joke and everything I do i always the wrongest and everyone mocks me at chat and gang up on me at every comment I make. Even the people I always talked with in chat now makes jokes about me and threats me bad. I was here to speak out against how I was kicked out of chat for no reason and not to cause a fuss, but it seems everyone was swayed by what Limmie girl yet again without even hearing my side properly. I am sorry if opening this forum was wrong! I did it because I saw plenty of times around the wikia administrators saying to people that if they had any complaints about unfair behaviour and treatment they should start a forum... But please don't make this mistake to be an excuse to silence what I have to say yet again! It may be looking like I am overreacting but this has to be taken into consideration with the context of the other instances.

Just to answer to some people who said about the provate message Limmie Girl sent to me, that was what she sent me but what she didn't tell you was the tone of the message, it was clearly threatening and trying to get to me, you have to read it in the context of every other interaction I had with her and some other people in the chat. It may seem like I'm just making things up but that is how bullying is, it is done subtle so as to hit the victim the most and make him look like over sensitive to a third party and this is what is hapenening here, because of the influence of the bullies that are much more popular that me I am discredited and everyone is jumping to conclusions about this fact and about me. Just listen to me without having prejudices and with an open mind please, without making assumptions about why I am doing what I am and how is in the wrong here at least until I show all the facts please. I am really really sorry if even replying to this is wrong but I don't know what to do Corniolio (talk) 03:54, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

CORN! Stop trying to play the fucking victim here! You were warned multiple times to stop spamming "I'M SORRY". When you did not, some people started to join in, and then it turned into a joke you took wrong. HERE is what SHOULD have happened: You say, "I'm sorry!" more than once, you say it again, you're kicked, you come in and say it again, you're banned. If that had happened, I would bet more money than I have and say you would have made another forum about "How the admins\mods are too harsh in chat." Sort out your problems corn, because there wasn't anything you couldn't have solved by pressing that magical little red X at the top of the screen. Be grateful you can still come into the chat and pretend like none of this happened and just go about your business as usual. Think this over corn, because if you keep this up there will be more than one mod or admin ready to ban you. Pigeon Approved "Hail to the Pigeon!" 04:16, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Denis, that was rude and just completely uncalled for. I will tell you this for the hundredth time: STOP PLAYING MOD. Please! Let. Us. Do. Our. Jobs. Corn, I apologize for Denis' comment, but the screenshots have been provided to all of us, proving that nothing malicious was done to you. I'm afraid this myth has been busted yet again. I am locking this forum because there is no need to drag this on any further. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 04:22, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

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