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Hello,

I noticed that your wiki is currently hosted on Wikia. While that network is a popular option, it has several disadvantages: it has ads, it's very slow to load, it has limited customizability, and it's managed with the goal of maximizing profits.

I'm the founder of a project known as Orain (https://orain.org/). It's a wiki family that has several unique characteristics: amongst other things, it provides personalized support, is completely ad-free, offers forward-secure SSL/TLS, and as a non-profit, is 100% community-led. I'd like to stress that last point, because, as a non-profit, you can be sure that we'll always work for the community.

I'd like to offer you to migrate your wiki over to our network. You would, of course, retain full operational independence, but we would handle all the technical aspects. We have years of experience with MediaWiki and would be able to manage the technical aspects that are usually skipped on smaller wikis (such as Memcached, nginx, optimization, etc.)

Please let me know what you think. We would be happy to accommodate any special requests you may have.

Regards, -Razr Nation https://meta.orain.org/wiki/User:Razr_Nation

Given the last split I think this is a real bad idea. Also, don't let wikia catch you trying to promote your service here. Agent c (talk) 00:13, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Last split? I did not know that Nukapedia suffered a split before. Razr Nation (talk) 00:17, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
You must be very new to both here, and the Fallout community in general if you haven't heard of "The Vault". That was the original name of this place. Just over 2 years ago, the some of the admins decided to take "The Vault" over to curse (that it followed one particular admin who just happened to get employment there we're assured had little to do with it). They declined to almost both, and those of us remained here are weaker for it. Agent c (talk) 08:55, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
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No thanks. Toci US Air Force Into the wild blue yonder... 00:16, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

You would never be able to offer us any sort of stability. As The Vault discovered when splitting off from us and moving to their Curse host, Wikia's search-rankings for Nukapedia triumphed and even looking up The Vault or the Fallout wiki will always bring you to Nukapedia first. And, frankly, as a upcoming and relatively unproven host, there is simply no way you could compete when not even Curse has been able to compete with us here on Wikia. 69.247.6.120 00:22, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Well, my recommendation came because I find the Orain way of handling things way easier than here. The website has almost a year and it is unrivalled when it comes to the technology used and MediaWiki versions. And well, I like Orain's interface way more than Wikia's. Razr Nation (talk) 00:24, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
I have heard of Orain before, and I greatly respect what they are doing (to my current knowledge). But I am afraid that we have entrenched ourselves much too deeply within Wikia, as we have proof that leaving Wikia would essentially cripple us in both the short-term and long-term. As bad as that sounds, it is what it is, and moving off of Wikia would ruin what we have been working for since 2005. 69.247.6.120 00:27, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Comparing Wikia to Orain is like comparing a large dictatorship to a small democracy. Yes, Wikia may appear to offer some degree of immediate convenience and stability, but at the end of the day, nothing matters more to a wiki than its community. And a wiki isn't really a community wiki unless it's hosted by a non-profit. That's without even mentioning things that are more convenient on Orain like the customizability, the support, the speed, the lack of ads, etc. Kudu ~I/O~ 03:18, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
It may appear? Wikia and Curse are the two wiki hosts out there, putting everyone from WikiIndex to, yes, Orain to shame. Wikia has their advertising methods down to an art-form, and are at the top of their game - which is why even when you look up The Vault, you still are redirected to Nukapedia. I am fine with Razr offering us a new home at a respectable wiki host. But please do not delude yourself and lie to us. Yes, Orain does have benefits that Wikia does not offer to us. But moving now would be suicide.
Yep. As an example of this, I've been a casual user of this wiki for about three years now, and I just a few weeks ago found out about the split and The Vault existing elsewhere. Since searches always but always pulled up this site, and I wasn't especially looking at the community, just the individual pages, the name change just seemed like it was probably a name change. It's only recently I started following the community enough to realize what I'd missed. The move argument seems to assume that everyone would be community-dedicated enough to make that choice, and it just doesn't follow. You have to do more than offer "essentially the same thing but better" for a move like this: either the site would have to be completely broken, or you'd need an entirely revolutionary way of doing it that works even better. Otherwise all you do is fracture the userbase, and we've already had our fracture, is seems. (And if my two conditions were fulfilled, oof, proposing it like this is not the best way to go about it.) Aristatide (talk) 11:18, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
A smaller wiki could get away with the move. But when every important keyword for the Fallout wiki is redirecting to the Wikia wiki, we would NEVER be able to recover, as The Vault soon discovered on the second largest wiki host on the Internet. Maybe in a few years Orain will be able to offer more security. But as of right now, they cannot, and trying to convince us otherwise that a move would not be committing suicide is a droll tact. 69.247.6.120 03:37, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Customizability... Lack of Ads. Head those promises before. when "The Vault" decided to go to Curse. A wiki is its community, as those who tried to move to curse soon learned. Agent c (talk) 08:57, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your time in offering us this, but I don't think many will support it. Wikia is not perfect but I personally am satisfied with the status quo. Also, the last person promoting another hosting site here ran into trouble with Wikia, so I'd advise caution... --Skire (talk) 00:24, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

I maintain that the original split was the worst thing to happen to this wiki overall and the though of attempting something like that again is something I would not only be unable to support, but something I would wholeheartedly fight to stop. --RAMUser talk:Ramallah 07:36, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Moving this to Orain whole be utter chaos. The Split made so much more worse (and even today we are fighting it) and if we moved there it would be 2011 all over again. If a few users from here wanted to do it, they could but it would be under a new name and different format. But I highly doubt it. Gunslinger470/The-Gunslinger "Some say this user is a Patroller..." Some say this user used to be a Patroller... 07:42, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

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