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Alright everyone, I thought it was time to bring this up as we have a new influx of Chat mod request.

I (and others) believe that the policy for Chat mods should be changed for their inactivity and also their rights removal. Seeing as the only thing Chat moderators are here for is to watch chat rather than say a moderator who watches chat and edits.

As of now we have 3 Chat Moderators who have been rather inactive for a few months (maybe the occasional log in 1 day and not seen for another month). 1 of which has expressed a choice not to come back to us.

I believe that a Chat mods inactivity tag should start after a no show for 2 months. By this I mean they would need to have a set amount of times they have logged in for the last 2 months. So if "Chat mod A" doesn't log in more than 10 times in the 2 months then they would be moved to the Inactive Chat Moderator list. However, if they have logged in, they would retain their active tag. For removal a total of 4 months should be instated.

Right now the rules go something like this for everyone... (listed for Admins and Mods only, but still hold to C-mods)

  • Definition of inactive is six months of a lack of editing.
  • Definition of inactive for rights removal is nine months of a lack of editing.

After a decision they would be more like this for Chat mods only.

  • Definition of inactive is two months of a lack of logging into chat.
  • Definition of inactive for rights removal is 4 months of a lack of logging into chat.

Since chat is a bustling central community for us, we need our chat mods to be active and with 3 (as of right now) who are not here, and 1 expressing no real desire to be here anymore, rules for them should be different. The rules in place now really only hold true to Patrollers, Moderators, Admins, and Bureaucrats, not Chat mods as they are not really meant to edit. Right now, Admins and editing mods are watching chat when Chat mods could/should be. Admins have projects and edits that require time and effort they need but they can't get because they have to moderate chat.

The time limits I have specified are up to be changed those are really just examples. Gunslinger470/The-Gunslinger "Some say this user is a Moderator..." Some say this user used to be a Moderator... 03:06, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Comments[]

How would you determine when a user has or hasn't logged into the chat? That isn't recorded in the chat logs. Toci US Air Force Into the wild blue yonder... 03:33, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

From what I have heard, Bcrats can monitor that. Gunslinger470/The-Gunslinger "Some say this user is a Moderator..." Some say this user used to be a Moderator... 05:47, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge there isn't such a tool for that. --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving Intercom01 06:53, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
Seems I have been misinformed, either way there are other ways of knowing who has been in chat and who has not. Gunslinger470/The-Gunslinger "Some say this user is a Moderator..." Some say this user used to be a Moderator... 07:05, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

The bureaucrats with CheckUser can determine the last time a user was in chat. It is a function that is not exactly well known. Agent c (talk) 12:45, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

The question then would be over what the Bureaucrats consider ethical and non-ethical use of the Check User rights. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 14:10, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I'm kind of with Garoux here, check user is normally used to check Ips to make sure a user is not a sockpuppet of another user. This is treading on somewhat precarious ground. ---bleep196- (talk) 14:31, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
Seeing as "Being in chat" and "Moderating chat" are very different things this isn't the system I would go for anyway. Wouldn't it be more viable to see when a moderator has interacted with the chat and not simply been there? I'm not sure how many of you remember but not long ago a user simply opened chat and then was clearly elsewhere the entire time the window was open simply to retain their rights. I'm not saying someone has to spend hours talking in chat to be moderating it, not at all, but something more than just a simple "hey" when they join, maybe a "Bye" when they leave and so on just to prove they're alive. Hell, it's not much too ask for that you have one small conversation with people in the chat in the space of 4 months. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 15:58, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
Also, I would like to take a quick moment to voice concern that "Moderator" and "chat moderator" have to play by different rules; I understand why (as moderators are patroller-chatmod hybrids) however, as I have said before I, personally, am only considered a moderator and not a chat mod because I was given rollback rights before patroller was even a thing. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 16:03, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I have to say I'm not really okay with the status quo, because it is giving us extremely misleading information. If you look at our administrators and moderators page, there are currently 9 chat mods and moderators listed as active. To someone who's not in chat, that would seem like a sufficient amount, but it's misleading. I'm in chat moderating a fair bit, and I can honestly say of those 9, 2 are what I would consider active in moderating chat during this calendar year. In fact, if I look at everyone who is currently listed as active and has chat moderator rights, there is only a total of 7 people whom I regularly see in and/or moderate chat. In the recent chatmod requests, the point of 'we have enough chat mods' has been brought up a few times. 7 for the whole day, with people having other commitments, isn't really sufficient. There are still large swathes of times that are unmoderated, especially at night. Prior to The-Gunslinger and Paladin's elections, often it was just me, and if I wasn't there chat was unmoderated. Now the lack of people isn't really the issue, it's the way the information is conveyed. Either we need to tighten restrictions on what we consider 'active' moderators, or people need to step into chat more often before voting with the rationale of 'too many moderators', as this is often simply untrue. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  19:22, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Revised[]

Alright lads, I have come up with what I think may help us. I have made this up after a few days of thinking. While we do have users who carry the "Check user" rights and could check and see whether or not a chat moderator has been in chat, those rights are for other purposes. I have come up with a revised reapplication process for inactive chat moderators.

Reapplication process for inactive chat moderators

In the event that a chat moderator has been inactive for an extended period of time, they will have their user rights removed by the bureaucrats and restored by a community vote upon a return to consistent chat and article and/or non-article (blog, Talk page, namespace) wiki edits.

  • Definition of inactive is three months without the use of chat and wiki related edits.
  • Definition of inactive for rights removal is six months without the use of chat and wiki related edits.


With this I know most of you will ask "How will we know they were in chat?" Through logs and other SYSops we can tell if a chat moderator has participated in chat. Yes, this can be a tedious process, but in the chat logs you can do and example such as ctrl+f "The-Gunslinger" to check for participation by said chat moderator. The reason I put in the wiki related edits is to show that they are still here and have not left us completely. I think what most people are forgetting is that chat is constant and the need for mods is there. With 3 chat moderators not using their rights and 2 inactive chat mods (not using their rights) we have had to acquire new and active mods. Please let me know what you think and what we could do to work on this. Gunslinger470/The-Gunslinger "Some say this user is a Moderator..." Some say this user used to be a Moderator... 10:51, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

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