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Hello, I hope I'm not doing anything wrong by writing this, but if I am, then please forgive me. I just can't take it without saying anything. I think the site (specially the chat room) should have an anti-bullying code. Bullying is a huge issue and it's going on every day here! I was recently a victim of bullying on the chat room, with several chat regular members attacked me and mocked me, and two administrators from this site helped and encouraged it. I am not going to mention their names because I don't want to make this all about me, but I want to make sure that such disturbing and traumatizing ordeals doesn't happen to any more users of the site and of the chat room. I was very distressed with the whole ordeal, and had to immediately leave to prevent the situation from escalating.

Just a few hours ago I went back into the chat and tried to talk with the people no the chat about it they were very unhelpful and tried to mock me as well. A chat moderator even said I should stop talking about it. When Limmie Girl, one of the administrators who bullied me the previous night came in, she proceeded to threateningly intimidate me. Other users soon followed and mocked me over doing every thing wrong, and even of being wrong for apologizing.

Just now I have calmed myself enough to have steady hands for writing up this request. What I propose is that everybody have to follow a code that prevents them from engaging in bullying of other users. I understand that there is already a prohibition of explicit abuse, but bullying can be very subtle so as to wade the line without overtly crossing it, and can be all the more damaging and traumatizing for that reason.

- Mocking other users should be severely punished, and if the mocker is an administrator or a moderator, then their privileges should be confiscated

- Language that is rude or uncouth should be prohibited because they are disturbing to some users

- Treating people bad because you don't like how they speak is bad and should be punished as well. That includes when Limmie Girl berated at me because of the way I spelled some words

I think these guide lines should be enough to cover the basic points. I hope this enters in effect as soon as possible because I am very distressed and fearful of frequenting the chat room. I don't feel safe there without something to protect me against bullying, specially from some administrators and chat moderators that I will not name. I don't want to bring anybody to face reprimands here, because what I have been through, as painful as it was, is already done and I do not want to dwell in the past. I just hope I can contribute for stopping incidents like this in the future.

I hope everybody agrees with me, and if I did anything wrong during writing this discussion and request, then I am really sorry. I have no intention of causing trouble, I just want to contribute for the wiki and the chat room to be a safe and friendly and bully-free environment. I'm sorry for any wrong doing I may have committed, and I am looking forward to the implementation of these points.

Corniolio (talk) 03:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

If you have a specific complaint, if you can give me a time, we'll pull some logs and investigate.
Insulting other users is already against the rules
Language, I think we're fine there. Fallout is a game that is for mature audiences and has bad langauge. Don't like it, find another chatroom. Internets full of em.
"You dont want anyone to face reprimands" but are calling for mods/admins to lose powers.
Lastly, we already have all of this, its called the rules. If you would like to make a complaint about a moderator or admin, please do so to to another member of the admin/moderator team. Agent c (talk) 03:09, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
You weren't being bullied. You kept saying "sorry" this and "I'm so sorry" that. We told you to stop saying sorry, and you kept saying something along the lines of "I'm so sorry please don't ban me I didn't know". All you had to do was stop saying "sorry". It's considered spam when EVERY post you make has an apology in it. As for the language: this wiki is based on an M-rated game with sexual and adult themes, violence, and very strong language. You don't have to be here if you don't like someone using the word "fuck" or "shit". Remember, the wiki does not revolve around you. We can't go about changing the rules every time a user doesn't like something - we'll never get anywhere that way. Sometimes, you just have to follow rules. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 03:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Agent C, I'm not calling for anybody to be punished for the gang-bullying I was subjected to last night and earlier today, that is why I have not named anybody involved (and because I fear retaliation). I just want to contribute to make this place more welcoming and bully-free. I think the language common to the chat room is very disturbing to many users and contributes to the unfriendly environment. But I think that is still secondary. The important thing in my request is that mocking other people should never be tolerated, specially when it is perpetrated by an individual with immense powers over the others. It shouldn't be allowed to threat other people badly here. I know that it is already forbidden to make overt insults, but what about the subtle mistreatment? That has to end if we are ever going to be an inclusive, friendly and bully-free community. Corniolio (talk) 03:34, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you feel upset Cornoilio. Insulting, harrassing and annoying other users is against the rules already - not just outright insults. For an unfriendly environment it seems to be very busy during prime time in Europe, and the USA. "mocking" is okay as long as it is meant, and taken, in good humour. I've seen nothing at all to suggest an "Unfriendly environment" and would love to see some examples of this... Unfortunately I only seem to have last 5 hours of chat logs and I cant see your name in them, other than us discussing this post. Could you please provide me with the time of this alleged incident so we can all see the treatment you are refering to? Its not a case of we need to make it that it shouldnt be allowed, everything you want, except a profanity ban, is already in place. Agent c (talk) 03:43, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't there when said incident happened, but it sounds like harmless banter to me. However, all users (chat mods/admins included) sometimes need to take a step back. I know none of the admins mean any intentional harm, but some users don't realise. And Corniolio, people won't know that you feel harassed if you don't tell them. Keep that in mind. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 03:36, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

So, you don't want to name anybody, but most of your original paragraph is about Limmiegirl? ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 03:43, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Yes Man. I understand that, and I went back today exactly to try to talk things out and tell people in the chat room how I was feeling, and even to apologizing for snapping at Limmie Girl last night. However, nobody wanted to listen and dismissed me, and then proceeded to mock me until I had to leave again in a hurry to prevent the situation from escalating all over again. Corniolio (talk) 03:45, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'm really sorry about that, I didn't mean to name Limmie Girl and anybody, it must have slipped past me because I was so distressed. But yes, if you want me to give the names, Limmie Girl, you, and Zerg Infester were the main culprits of that episode. Corniolio (talk) 03:48, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what your definition of bullying is, but all I can say is I don't remember much from when we were all there. All I remember is telling you to stop spamming the word "sorry". ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 03:53, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think I must take Agent C's offer and wait for the chat logs, I think that way people will be able to witness the bullying and take their own conclusions instead of taking our words. I am really sorry it has come to this but I really tried my best to be liked or at least respected like a human being, but all I received is mocking, and people picking on me for every thing I say that they dislike. Corniolio (talk) 04:07, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Hopefully Ghost Avatar's bot was logging when it happened. Ask him to pull the logs for around the time this supposedely happned and We'll take it from there. Agent c (talk) 04:10, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, don't be sorry for being honest in your eyes. If you are being honest about this whole thing, don't be sorry for your point of view. We all have different perceptions and interpretations of things being said. Don't apologize for something that you think is being honest and right. Detroit lions Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 04:12, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I saw somebody uploading a picture of what happened earlier, but it seems that Limmie Girl deleted for some reason. The file was this: Thank you for the support, TocxHawk. Corniolio (talk) 04:25, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Limmie herself uploaded the picture, but deleted it because that specific screenshot was not needed. It doesn't help your case at all. I've restored it for you to see. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 04:31, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

"Language that is rude or uncouth should be prohibited because they are disturbing to some users - Treating people bad because you don't like how they speak is bad and should be punished as well." I like how right after you said people should be punished for swearing you then say people should be punished for treating people differently because they don't like how that person speaks. CrazyFerret

I honestly have no idea where this bullying nonsense is coming from, but it's so misconstrued it's outright laughable. I'm not going to bother giving an account of what happened, I'll just let the logs speak for themselves. I have them on the laptop I forgot at a friend's home, and I'll gladly post them tomorrow if GAV doesn't. Like Toci said, I uploaded that screenshot myself precisely to show others how much you were exaggerating, that it was you how suddenly decided to holler out that I'm just like your sister (however she is) and bust out in a fit. And I deleted it because once everyone saw it, I had no reason to keep it around, not because I wanted to hide evidence. And for the record, I didn't 'berate you because of the way you spelled some words', I told you to not write my name like that because that's not how it is. And naturally you still spell it wrongly here.

Quite frankly, all this lamentation about being bullied is simply ridiculous, and that you want to change our rules because you happen to have wet tissue paper for a skin insulting. And ridiculous. If you get your kicks by playing the victim it's your own issue, even if obnoxious to everyone else. But now you're now writing up forum posts about imaginary bullyings and involving the whole wiki with your non-existent issues.

Like I told you earlier today, if you had simply came to me and told me about it to my face I'd have a modicum of respect for you. But instead you chose yet again to sob to everybody else but the person you have a problem with.

And another thing: don't pretend that you didn't want to name names and only mentioned me by name, two times at that, because you were 'too distressed'. That was your intent from the get go. Your passive-aggressiveness is as transparent as it is pitiful. At least own up to your intentions instead of hiding behind ludicrous excuses.

Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 05:39, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ahem, this is all. Dragon Leon Skål! 05:50, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
No, this is Detroit lions Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 05:53, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, okay, we get it, it's admins v. single user. The funny Youtube links are pretty unnecessary. Nitty Tok. 06:13, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'm all up for sticking up for the common user. But I've been in chat with this user before, and this is nothing more than either trolling, or a mentality of youth that does not belong here. Either way, they are clearly trying to hijack chat for their own gain, while disregarding everything else that doesn't revolve around himself. Dragon Leon Skål! 06:22, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
I know, I was watchin' the chat. I'm just saying, it looks a little fishy from an outside perspective. Nitty Tok. 06:26, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for spamming the completely unnecessary YouTube links. --Skire (talk) 15:02, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, seriously? How has this not been deleted yet? I wish whatever "evidence" is needed would come forward so we can just settle down here. You apologize way to much Corn, and it's very annoying and has amounted to spam. There are several instances just on this forum page of you apologizing. Do you even know what "sorry" means? Nobody is "ganging up on you" or "bullying" you. You were told that your apologizing was asinine, pointless, and annoying. So pursuing it with a forum post is exactly the same. Please, get over yourself and relax. - CC 4 Star Dragon Ball Edit 05:58, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

This is all stupid. I was there and did not partake in this "bullying". What happened was corn kept spamming "I'M SORRY!" for a while. Instead of getting the ban I would've given him after the warnings he got, everyone started to join in. This was all meant in fun and he took it as bullying, even though he was breaking the rules. Corn, by all means keep this up if you want but you even if your exaggerated story checked out, you were still spamming in the chat. Pigeon approved! "You sir, are Pigeon Approved!" 06:00, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I gotta say that when you apologise, you meant to apologise (that is, no need to say so much, I make so many mistakes and later correct them (if I see them)). However, you didn't experience bullying until you met this one. Energy X 08:41, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I have read through the logs and I see no grounds for bullying. Honestly, I think you are reading more into this than there actually is. And that is no more evident than in the following exchange.
which got everyone on their nerves.
she asked you questions.
"you think a game is racist because it has the word 'black' in it?"
Yes, in a mocking tone.
The problem with text communication is that there is no tone, facial expressions, body postures, environmental sensory inputs, and even the mood of the interacting parties to influence the overall meaning extracted from said communication. Those things are often transplanted from the viewer to interrupt the actually meaning of the communication and in this case shift cognitive and emotional meaning of the message towards bullying and being aggressive. This is even more evident by the fact that you have transplanted the persona of your sister onto Limmiegirl. What we have here is a failure to understand communication and not bullying, which has lead to a personal dispute between you and one other. So I think we should leave it at that and move on before things get out of hand. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 10:57, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Any objection to me saying this issue is resolved by universal acclaim - that the current chat rules via a vie harassment, insults and language are not in need of review or change at this time? Agent c (talk) 16:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Nyet. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 16:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Like I promised, I've uploaded the chat logs here: speedyshare (DOT) com/CQSpb/ An edited version for quick reference can be found here. I believe the logs are self evident, and any notion that bullying of any kind, let alone in the levels stated by you, is completely absurd. Looking back at it, I'd say your insistence in apologizing for every damn thing is borderline, if not outright, trolling. So if anything, we've been over-tolerant of you and your obnoxious, self-victimizing ways. Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 16:52, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

"Disturbing and traumatizing ordeals." Seriously? In a chat room? Seek professional help. If a chat room is "disturbing and traumatizing" to you, there are some deep seated issues in you that you need a professional to fix. Really. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:08, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Going ad hominem circumstantiae? Please, stop. --Theodorico (talk) 18:30, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

People have a limit, and I know for sure that it would push past my limit to hear constant spam of chat with "I'M SORRY!" for no apparent reason other than to feel respected. Honestly, Tagz said it all - if you're as offended by a chat room skirmish to go as far as to say it was "disturbing and traumatizing" then you might want to seek some therapy. Just my 2 cents. Cheese Lord

You were admonished by several users not to continue your streak of apologies, namely saying "I'm sorry" or "Sorry" over and over again despite those whom said apologies were meant for told you repeatedly to stop. That constitutes spam and I'm surprised there was no chat ban for you in that. With that being said, I'm certain no users have anything personal against you, and if they do that is their own problem and not the wiki's. EDIT: I just read the rest of your post at the top of this page, and it looks like even now you are still apologising inappropriately. --Skire (talk) 15:02, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Anti-bullying code? I really hate to say this but as a grown adult I am sick of babying people and "protecting" them from the harsh realities of life. One, this is the internet. There are going to be asshats and mean people on it but there will be nice people as well. If you are in a chat room and someone is mean to you, you have an option and it is quite easy compared to a real life situation. Click the little red x in the corner. Problem solved. There are millions of chat rooms all over the globe. Chat rooms that talk about how to bully people, chat rooms on how to stand up to bullies and chat rooms on how to knit. Pick one or spend the rest of your life hiding in your mothers basement avoiding the outside world and all of the wonders it has to offer. Remember this is the internet. If you do not like what is said in chat, leave. If you do not like what is said in a forum, leave. If you don't like a certain game due to it's violence level, try another. Nuff' said--Kingclyde (talk) 23:03, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

(golf clap)  The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 02:22, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
Clyde pretty much nailed it. Empathy is one thing, but the empathy given has clearly not been accepted, and quite a bit of it has been given to sate your insatiable ego. This is insulting to people who have really been bullied frankly.--Enclavesymbol 04:15, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

It happens. We should avoid it.

User SP Bad Medicine SaintPainLook for me Dec 22 Y'all know what I'm say'n.

I am really sorry I did not expect things here to be even worse than at chat... I wanted to try and make the site and chat a more friendly environment, that's all, now I'm antagonized with everyone, I'm so sorry for causing so much trouble. I can see that no one is interested in the friendly place I wanted to make here. I can't cope with all the attacks and mean words against me here, I think I'll leave for a while and see if I can regroup. Good bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corniolio (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

If that's all you can say after reading the replies here, then maybe you should leave here for a while. Because you're obviously not getting anything through your thick head. But just in-case, I'd like to go ahead and go over the main points here:
  • Chill out with the passive-aggressiveness. Saying sorry all of the time is both unnecessary, and can be seen as trolling when we've told you to cut it out so many time.
  • This is a mature site, meant for mature people. (Or at least, semi-mature people.) If you can't handle this site, then there's either something socially wrong with you, or you're a wuss. I'm sorry for sounding mean there, but you really need to tough it up if you're getting this upset over a gaming community. An online one, at that.

Dragon Leon Skål! 06:28, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I did not have a part in the is at all. I would like to address the original poster of this forum. We do not like spam. Simple as it goes, whether it be apologies or derogatory statements. This is not bullying and to say so is ridiculous exaggeration. I was bullied as a younger boy, and it hurt, believe you and me. Those were personal attacks aimed at me to make me feel bad, though I had done nothing wrong other than exist. When other users are angered at you for a repeating action, you cease. I would hope you would be familiar with proper chat etiquette by now. Agreeing with Clyde and Tag, grow a thicker skin. There have been actual issues in chat that need to be addressed via the forum, this is not one.--Bunny2Bubble 06:49, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Stop trying to earn Brownie points. User Broccoli  Broc  msg  Blog  18:50, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Clarify that statement, please. Energy X 19:07, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
It's a complete vapid, unnecessary statement. --Skire (talk) 19:20, August 20, 2012 (UTC)