Forum:Fallout 1 & 2 Image Quote Removal

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For NCR here, proposing an idea to remove the FO1-2 image quotes from the Notable Quote sections and replace them within the gallery of the page.

Improvement

As you can see by this example, Marcus has his reaction images constantly appearing throughout his page to show you what face he expresses when speaking said quote in-game. As you can also see, this image is repeated very often for his other quotes, only for the sake of what he looks like under dialogue.

Marcus isn't the only one. Throughout all the pages that feature Fallout's 1 and 2's signature "talking heads", this continuous repeating of images is used, making the page bulkier than what it could and should be.

The question I wish for you to answer is:

1. Do we need to see every reaction despite it taking up unneeded room per page?

2. Couldn't we just post these reaction images inside the page's Gallery?

I propose that we aim to make our Fallout 1&2 quotes appear more akin to our current method, which we apply in our Fallout 3 and New Vegas pages, as seen above.

Don't worry, we will still be able to view the reaction images, but it will merely be moved to the Gallery along side with other images. ^{A Safe People is a Strong People!} 03:36, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

I agree. It would look better to have the FO1/FO2 notable quotes look like the FO3/NV ones as it makes the page tidier. Moving the emotion images to the gallery means that we can still see what their emotions look like without cluttering up the page. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 03:40, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

As a member of the brainstorming group in chat at the time of this forum's creation, I support the movement of the facial expressions to the gallery and the conversion of the notable quotes sections to the same format the Fo3 and NV notable quotes sections use. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 03:39, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Just so everyone can have an example, I have made how Marcus's page would look under this system (here). I would also suggest that we note what emotion the images represent as a caption (I would have done that here, but I wasn't sure what http://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Fallout_1_%26_2_Image_Quote_Removalemotion was what). JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 03:57, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

As I see it, the quotes for reactions are purely aesthetical. It is not really needed, and if it shows a difference in reaction, one could hear the tone instead. So yeah, if there is not much opposition, the quotes could be moved to Notable Quotes section. Energy X 21:43, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Slims down the page and makes it more in line with the newer pages, there's barely a difference in the reaction images (even less when they are scaled down on the page). So, I think it would be best to switch over to text only. -- ^{Watch in awe!} 03:08, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't it just make more sense to just make it a vid? I mean, the picture made sense before the audio player part. But now it just seems kinda silly to show stills from a video, and have the audio. Digital Utopia (talk) 11:42, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Interesting suggestion. I still prefer using the F3/FNV method but should the community prefer having the pictures I think this would be a good change. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 11:48, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

It sounds like a cool concept... but, I think it would be best to stick to text and audio for a few reasons. The biggest being accessibly, it's easier to view and navigate the quotes in a text/audio format and will be easier to know exactly what is being said. You can have the text in the video, but you lose the ability to copy and paste any of it. Listing out video times wouldn't be very attractive and I can't really think of a space-saving way to list out the quotes if they end up in the same video. Having one quote per video will leave the quotes section just as cluttered, which will kinda defeat the purpose of this forum. An interesting idea, but I think it'll lose too much functionality for it to be worthwhile. -- ^{Watch in awe!} 21:37, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

I'm just talking about replacing the image/audio itself. The text quote can remain underneath the video, laid out in the same way. Video is no less/more accessible than the audio plugin, and every video plugin I've seen shows a thumbnail, which would satisfy the image portion. The only real stumbling block - at least from my perspective, is whether or not the wiki supports alternate content. So that if the user's browser doesn't support HTML5/Flash, that an image can be used in its stead. Digital Utopia (talk) 23:47, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Finished my popsicle... Wouldn't that take up the exact same amount of space? Compared to a 20x20 px square... I thought we were trying to make the pages with talking heads in line with the notable quotes sections found on FO3/NV pages. Video in the image Gallery though (akin to the Gizmo page), would be grand. -- ^{Watch in awe!} 00:27, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I just misunderstood the issue. I thought the problem was that multiple images were being used to show facial expression for different parts of the same dialogue. If I am mistaken, then just ignore my rambling - and I agree it should just be done as the "notable quotes". On a side note, is there any way of getting an audio player that doesn't have a progress "floater"? Y'know, something like a "click to play, click to stop?" Because something like that would seem to work much better in an "in-line" layout, especially for 2-3 second dialogue files. Digital Utopia (talk) 13:28, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not that I know of, but we could probably make/edit a template to accommodate. And by "we" I mean "not me". JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 17:17, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not a template expert by any means, but it seems that, regardless of how it's done - the only option is that silly green bar - as that's the part that actually plays the file. The inline template amounts to nothing more than window dressing- basically showing the play bar in a floater, instead of on the page itself. Digital Utopia (talk) 21:50, September 1, 2014 (UTC)