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: I think the list is pretty good already and we can come to an agreement without needing it to come to a vote. If you feel items are missing from the list, let us know or if you think an item isn't notable, same thing. Btw, don't blame Clyde, it was pretty much mine and Garoux's initiative. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 16:31, May 31, 2012 (UTC) |
: I think the list is pretty good already and we can come to an agreement without needing it to come to a vote. If you feel items are missing from the list, let us know or if you think an item isn't notable, same thing. Btw, don't blame Clyde, it was pretty much mine and Garoux's initiative. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 16:31, May 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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:: Ok, I've removed the admin/mod only vote part. I want the focus on the subject and not other on things. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 16:40, May 31, 2012 (UTC) |
:: Ok, I've removed the admin/mod only vote part. I want the focus on the subject and not other on things. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 16:40, May 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Toci - Straight from the policy: "To this end, the normal procedure for proposing new policies and guidelines or changing existing ones is to create a topic in the [[Forum:Wiki discussion|"wiki discussion"]] forum. Once the discussion has led to a final draft, call a vote." |
+ | *Toci - Straight from the policy: "To this end, the normal procedure for proposing new policies and guidelines or changing existing ones is to create a topic in the [[Forum:Wiki discussion|"wiki discussion"]] forum. Once the discussion has led to a final draft, call a vote." |
| − | Ghost - This is a matter that not everyone is going to understand properly. This is seen when I see even registered users adding crap in like the Chinese pistol or the 9 iron as notable loot. Not everything needs to be a community consensus, and this is even back up in our policies: "Aside from the normal procedure, the administrators may "decree" policies or guidelines. This should only be done with consensus among administrators and in cases where community consensus cannot be reached but a policy or guideline is needed." This is nothing new, and even when we were still called The Vault; there were decisions made without the need of the overall community. [[file:Dragon.jpg|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Grey"> <sup>''Skål!''</sup> </font>]] |
+ | *Ghost - This is a matter that not everyone is going to understand properly. This is seen when I see even registered users adding crap in like the Chinese pistol or the 9 iron as notable loot. Not everything needs to be a community consensus, and this is even back up in our policies: "Aside from the normal procedure, the administrators may "decree" policies or guidelines. This should only be done with consensus among administrators and in cases where community consensus cannot be reached but a policy or guideline is needed." This is nothing new, and even when we were still called The Vault; there were decisions made without the need of the overall community. We are merely concerned, because this is a very tedious subject, and we don't want the same thing to happen as with the logo change. [[file:Dragon.jpg|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Grey"> <sup>''Skål!''</sup> </font>]] |
Revision as of 17:19, 31 May 2012
Forums: Index > Wiki proposals and applications > Debate: Fixed Locations - Notable Loot
Critique We are Looking For
- Should fixed locations be notable when considering specific non-notable loot?
- Do you contest any of the items found in the lists provided?
- Are there items you feel are missing from the lists provided and should be of note?
The List
Have an Inquiry?
You may personally contact the main coordinators:
Critique/Ideas
Please keep your entries condensed and to the point. Any user who ridicules others' critique/ideas will have theirs removed as a result. Thank you, and we look forward to your input.
Just a point of order to start... Is there any reason why we're limiting the discussion to the leadership team? Agent c 10:33, May 31, 2012 (UTC)=
- Because the last thing we need is every user coming in and suggesting crap like a .32 pistol as notable. Also, because we don't want to make the same mistake as when we were replacing our logo after the split.
Skål!
- I don't think this is likely (if a user becomes disruptive, remove them), but I do think the value of our discussion is lessened by ignoring the regular user. At the very least the end vote (if not the whole process) should be by community consensus and contribution, as our rules and guidelines require. Agent c 10:50, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Shoot Jspoel a message then so it doesn't clog up this forum. We were talking about this together, and we both strongly feel like this debate needs to stay professional, and in the hands of the people who know what is the best for this wiki. It's ultimately up to him and Clyde though. Skål!
Can I still vote? lol ;) ToCxHawK 10:38, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Absolutely. I consider you one of the exceptions I mentioned in my disclaimer, especially since you were a moderator until only recently. Skål!
Are we going to divide the notable loot and non-notable loot with headlines or the non-notable loot will become notable? MS: Destiny conquers all. 11:17, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- All this would add is a fixed location section to article pages that would list fixed items that wouldn't have originally been considered as notable. This still doesn't make them notable loot though. Skål!
I'm with C on this one. We need to get every user in on this. After all, there are more editors who aren't admins than the opposite. 
11:27, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- No need to worry about that anymore. We have decided to remove the screening process from this forum debate. Anyone can add in their input now. Skål!
Right, so now I'm confused. If we've got a "not notable but notable enough to note" section, what is the value in the notable loot section? I though the idea behind notable loot was to limit what was put on the page, why not just take the simple route and define these as notable. (In short, what is the difference between this category and notable loot?). Agent c 13:05, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- WTF seriously, did we not learn the last time, another admin only vote!!!!! I am sorry Garoux, but what gives you the right to decide to ignore the process of the wiki. Same goes for KC and J if they are backing this proposal of selected votes. If it comes down to it, I will simply veto the vote as per policy. 16:01, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
My input: If this is a DEBATE, then why are we talking of voting? If it's a debate, it should be simple reasoning together, not voting. It makes about as much sense as wiping before you make stool. Let's at least get through the debating and arguing period before we start thinking about a vote to change a policy like this one. This community out of all of them should know how unstable it can get when it jumps right to public votes with no reasoning behind it. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 16:10, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- I think the list is pretty good already and we can come to an agreement without needing it to come to a vote. If you feel items are missing from the list, let us know or if you think an item isn't notable, same thing. Btw, don't blame Clyde, it was pretty much mine and Garoux's initiative. Jspoel 16:31, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, I've removed the admin/mod only vote part. I want the focus on the subject and not other on things. Jspoel 16:40, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, I've removed the admin/mod only vote part. I want the focus on the subject and not other on things. Jspoel
- Toci - Straight from the policy: "To this end, the normal procedure for proposing new policies and guidelines or changing existing ones is to create a topic in the "wiki discussion" forum. Once the discussion has led to a final draft, call a vote."
- Ghost - This is a matter that not everyone is going to understand properly. This is seen when I see even registered users adding crap in like the Chinese pistol or the 9 iron as notable loot. Not everything needs to be a community consensus, and this is even back up in our policies: "Aside from the normal procedure, the administrators may "decree" policies or guidelines. This should only be done with consensus among administrators and in cases where community consensus cannot be reached but a policy or guideline is needed." This is nothing new, and even when we were still called The Vault; there were decisions made without the need of the overall community. We are merely concerned, because this is a very tedious subject, and we don't want the same thing to happen as with the logo change. Skål!