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NOTE: I am aware that I am posting this 1 day before my 2 month requirement to be eligible for Chat mod/Moderator rights. The reason for this is that I may NOT be available on March 14th, 2014 to post this. If this is a concern I am completely behind putting this forum on lock until the 14th and will have no objections. With that being said...Here's my request.

Hello my great friends of Nukapedia! It's your friendly neighborhood Gunslinger here!

As you could tell by the title of this forum (if you are not blinded by my beauty) I am asking for Chat Moderator rights. This would make me a....ummm....a Moderator....I think....

Who am I?

Well as some of you know (and for those who don't) my name is Cole. I am a 23 year-old custom car mechanic, and a collector of odd and weird things.... (o.O) I also play the Bass guitar for various bands. I first joined Nukapedia on July 15th, 2012 under a different account. Also as some of you may know, I used to be active here under the account Gunslinger470, of which I was a Patroller, until my leave in the Summer of 2013.

Why me you say?

Why not me huh?! Got some beef???

Well first off, as many of you know I am quite active in chat and I frequent a time-slot that is a somewhat moderated and somewhat not. By this I mean that while there may be a Chat mod or Admin in chat, they are not actually there (be they in bed or away at dinner, etc). I am constantly vigilant and constantly patrolling chat. If you ask a lot of fellow users I am quite polite and helpful to almost anyone who needs help, support, or a good laugh. I have crossed the border on Mini-Modding but that was only to keep chat clean and everyone happy.

Secondly, We only have about 5 SYSops who moderate chat on a regular basis. These users, while being some of the most active, go "away from keyboard" for periods of time when a Chat Mod is needed. Like said above, I keep a watchful eye on chat even when it says I am "away".

I have been appointed Chat Mod once on this account.

• 03:13pm, December 4, 2013 Agent c
• 01:47am, March 19, 2014 The Gunny

Here are the times I am available and regularly on Chat....

Monday - Friday: 9:00am to 2:00pm and 11:30pm to 2:00am

Saturday & Sunday: 11:00pm to 2:00am

These times are not exact and are based on the Central Time Zone.

Anywho, on to my contributions....

There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

A lot of my edits are simple and basic edits (maintenance, platform tags, the works, etc). I have done some major edits such as page creations, research and page write ups (just look at the Codex page), template instating, verifications, reverting those vandals, created the Fallout 3 Portal Slideshow, and a lot of other stuff.

I have helped create the templates below templates.... LH TORN

The following is based on test content from Fallout 3.

The following is based on test content from the Fallout: New Vegas files.

Examples

• The following log(s) (saved in my sandbox) are here to show examples of my conduct in chat and how I handle things.
  • ChatLog23Feb

• The following screenshots I am adding to show why we need more Chat mods who are around at my times.

Clearing up

As per the request of a few users I am including this in for others to make their decision. Anyways, a few months back I wrote a blog stating that I would be inactive for some time. As many of you know my wife is pregnant and we were having some family matters come up. Some complications and emergencies came our way and I did not know if I would be able to be here as much, hence the blog to let people know. After a few days had passed and things had gotten better on the home front I had Agent C remove the blog. If this factors into your vote I completely understand, but I would like to know in the comments if this factors in your decision.

Closing

Most of you know me and you know I will respect these rights and use them to better this Wiki and its chat as I have done with my Patroller rights.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and considering my future rights!

Endorsement

I am Agent C, and I Oakey-Dokey this application, but stay its start date until 00:01 GMT 14/3/2014. Agent c (talk) 13:23, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Vote

Poll finished on 12:01 am March 21, 2014 (UTC).

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Yes

1. ^Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) PS: I think you have to make it "moderator request" instead since you're already a patroller.
2. You have the Vice Presidents support Gunslinger ^{Vice President Spocklan116} 05:13, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
3. --RAM 05:18, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
4. More than deserves them. - Chris 05:19, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
5. You're way too beautiful to say no to.--TOXICTORTURE (talk) 05:24, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
6. I see no reason to deny this request.  A Follower  Talk  06:45, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
7. 69.l25 (talk)
8. This should be a moderator request, but regardless, you have my support. ---bleep196- (talk) 17:41, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
9. --Veteran Legionary 00:43, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
10. I thought you were running for "moderator" at first, but this is good, too. THE NUCLEAR KING ^Talk 00:46, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
11. The-Gunsliger is actively in chat and has proven himself as someone that can deal with chat related matters in a calm and respectful manner. --MountHail (talk) 01:06, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
12. Know you well enough, and I say your well suited for the position.--Emiko (talk) 04:10, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
13. Your evidence is believable, persuasive and it reflects analysis on what I have seen in chat in general and in you as a person.--Josef (talk) 04:19, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
14. You've had some issues with "irrational behavior," as some have called it, but when it hits the fan, you're one of the more level-headed guys I've seen in chat. I trust that you'll take the criticisms here (as you have done very well so far) and use them to better yourself as a moderator. _{Into the wild blue yonder...} 04:29, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
15. Don't pollute the Mother Earth, shout out to Gunslinger ^{"Semper Invictus"} 00:22, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
16. Slinger is a really great guy, I think he would do a great job. --I really need to get a signature (talk) 06:25, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
17. We've needed more chat mods for awhile to be honest, and you make a great candidate because of your consistent contributions. Your President supports you. 18:04, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
18. Upon reconsideration, taking in to account Gunslinger's qualities as a user, I would have to vote yes. You're a good guy, and I would feel comfortable knowing the chat is in your hands. --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving 04:49, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
19. Journey321 (talk) 05:10, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
20. yes yes yes 1000 times yes! Camalex97 (talk) 19:07, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
21. User:RaulTheGhoul Cool beans, bro. You'll do great.

No

1. Resolute no. I don't have confidence in your ability to remain composed and objective when in potentially upsetting situations (many of which you will surely encounter as a chat moderator). This is also ignoring the fact that you publicly accused myself and two other users of "staging a coup" when we were trying bring some new ideas to the discussion table. Assuming good faith is a cornerstone of wikis in general, and someone who doesn't understand that concept has no place in holding extra user rights. --Skire (talk) 17:48, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
2. Along the lines with Siggy. When it comes it a situation, I do not feel you will be able to stay composed and handle the situtation. ^{Hawk da Barber 2013 - BSHU Graduate} 09:49, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
3. I think like Skire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WastelanDrifter (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Neutral

1. While I believe you could have the potential to fulfil these rights, the fact is we have more than enough users with chat moderator rights, with circa 30 active people with them, and I can't really see any need for more. In addition, to that 23rd February chat log you posted, that isn't really good handling of situations, and isn't the type of interaction a chat moderator should have, really.   OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  12:58, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
2. See my comment further down. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:40, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

• My vote has updated. See my updated vote in the comments section below. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:56, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

1. You meet all the prerequisites and your demeanor checks out... but I have this gut fear that you may not treat a situation with the tact and level-headedness required should the circumstances mount toward it. This chance exists for everyone of course but I'm afraid that with you, the chance just seems higher. Nothing personal, it's just what I've come to perceive from your mannerisms thus far and I hope you prove me wrong. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 18:47, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

I can see where the whole "spam in chat thing and no one is there to ban the spammer" thing is correct, I mean there has been times where I have been in chat and there was a spammer and when I try pinging someone, no one responds, I dont think this might be an issue that can be solved with Gunslinger specifically, but having more people like Gunslinger will definitely light up the ice in chat. --I really need to get a signature (talk) 06:37, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

We need to wait until you qualify before the vote; we just had issues with this on another request, and I'd be in favor of waiting until tomorrow to reopen this.

And so I can get this out of the way, I have only one question: would you keep your rights is you had to leave for an extended period of time or if you didn't know how long you'd be gone? If you would, would you be asked to be moved to the "inactive" list? 69.l25 (talk) 10:36, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

If I had to leave for a extended period of time (ex: birth of child) and I had an idea of my extent of leave I would ask to be moved to inactive but would still be here to help. However, if I knew I wouldn't be able to help or even be here on at least a weekly basis, I would ask for my rights to be removed. "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 05:16, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

About the chatlog you posted in a sandbox. I have saved a few screenshots from that day on my harddrive that may help you if you'd like some stuff fixed from then. If you want we can talk about this in pm. - ^Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 11:03, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

I would love to see those, if it's okay with a Bureaucrat you can post them above and in the description just put your name. "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 05:16, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I have placed a timed lock until 00:01 GMT 14/3. Agent c (talk) 13:26, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Chad, I understand the issue. "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 05:16, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I intended to endorse this proposal when it was posted, but due to internet and personal issues I haven't been able to log in until afterwards. I wanted to state this in the unlikely event that an issue is raised with a bureaucrat endorsing this request. Best of luck Slinger!  A Follower  Talk  06:47, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Follower! "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 18:50, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

@Skire, if you look back you can see my concerns and reasons for saying it was "staging a coup" because to me, and many others, you were implementing rule that made it harder on everyone for rights. Not to mention that you guys were pushing for a rights revocation on Clyde which was unnecessary. As for the "someone who doesn't understand that concept has no place in holding extra user rights" part of your vote, if it was such a big deal why was I still allowed Patroller rights. I, and many others, did not "assume good faith" with these new implements to the wiki and rather objected to them. So, to me, my reasons for saying you all were staging a "Coup d'état" should be considered just due to the nature of certain request flying around. I'm not going to try and sway your vote or even rationalize my reasoning, but I am going to ask you to see past that incident for 2 main reasons... a.) The incident had nothing to do with Chat or C/Mod rights & b.) When you posted that forum you also had or were going to invoke Reconfirmation on a user who did no wrong, but rather, was note here as much as everyone else. If you see any hostility from me in this message then tell me because I am far from hostile to anyone, but I would rather explain my reasoning in a orderly manner.

The idea of a "coup d'etat" being carried out on the wiki is simply farcical. Plus, that forum was something that 69.l25 believed to be worthy of discussion, and it had little, if anything, to do with the pending motion we had regarding Clyde (which the community firmly rejected). Furthermore, you disagreeing with said motion does not justify interpreting it as an act of bad faith. I am still incredibly nonplussed as to how you could interpret such actions as staging a "coup." Also, I think we both understand that patroller rights are nothing like chat moderator rights. The former is an editing facilitator with no real power at all, while the latter provides you the ability to discipline users with unruly behaviour in the chat. As such, I do not believe you are at all ready as of now to receive these extra rights (not to mention the request does feel a little hurried to me). Also, the first part of my vote was by far the more important part. --Skire (talk) 19:22, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

@OfficialLolGuy, You say we have more than enough users who have Chat mod rights and I could not agree more. However, most them are almost never available when I am and when I am usually in Chat around midnight to 4a.m. (Central Standard) and even though it may seem dead, it's not. A picture above shows spam with no one "at the ready" to get it.If i had chat mod rights it would have been dealt with. "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 18:50, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

On the topic of needing chat mods, this was something I thought about too; and I think that image really works against you because you've got only one example for the past few months; if there really were a problem, surely you'd have more, right? But assuming you took that image to document an incident, then do you have other pictures as well? Or maybe you can point us to tp messages or an account that you got banned for spamming when you were in chat alone/without a mod. 69.l25 (talk) 19:16, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

@69, I do have others, unfortunately I am on a different computer at the moment and at a chance I will add those for others to see "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 00:53, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

We had a good talk in private chat not long ago, and I think we took advantage of that short time well in gaining a bit of mutual trust between ourselves, which is why I am voting neutral instead of no. Because at the end of the day, I do trust that you will use your special rights properly in keeping the chat-room clean. However, there are three issues I have seen from you that I find myself being forced to focus upon before I can draw from my trust in your abilities and vote yes:

-The first issue, I found no offense in, while with the second incident, I did find myself fairly annoyed with the whole deal at the time. Respectively, I am speaking of two occurrences of blind anger from you in which you began randomly swinging at other users before you ended up being blocked from the wiki, and then when you had such an issue with certain forums, that you got it in your head that there was a conspiracy going on, and took it so far as to spread this conspiracy theory in chat (we were fortunate this never bled out in the forums themselves). I have already forgiven and locked this all up in the vault - the attacks against me are not the problem. The problem is that you are prone to outbursts of irrational anger that manifests itself in the attack of multiple other users. And it is this irrational anger that is the problem, because if you want to be seen as a leader of any sort, irrational behaviour of any sort will be your downfall, and possible the downfall of others as well.

-Quite a few people from Nukapedia still speak to me on Skype about Nukapedia, even though I left. One of the concerns I heard about a week back is that for quite some time now, you have been attempting to convince the Bureaucrats to give Theo his rights back. It is not the act itself that concerns me, as Theo has been frequenting Nukapedia again for a long time, and there is no doubt that he is a great asset to the wiki. What concerns me is the frequency in which you speak of it, which leads me to the belief that you obsess a bit over matters - in the case, I am also sensing an inability to avoid favouritism in other users, which is something you cannot do as a chat moderator (we have already had way too many chat moderators that have played favourites in the past).

-Tl;dr? I trust in your abilities to help keep the chat clean, but I am sensing problems with your bouts of irrational behaviour. Keep in mind that this is not an attack on your character, as generally I do like you and I can tell you are the responsible sort. Just consider this an observation that I hope you can reflect on, and either grow with it if you find yourself agreeing, or just as a bit of criticism to take into account if you find yourself neutral or not agreeing. Either way, I wish you luck with your request. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:58, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I can't speak for the others but the subject of theo's rights to the best of my recollection has never been raised with me since he left the wiki. Agent c (talk) 20:18, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

It is true that what I have heard is hear-say, so the details escape me. I expect I will be corrected in full if what I have heard and then stated here proves to be false. I will make sure to update my comment here if that becomes the case. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:24, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

It was brought up to me once. And frankly, what Theo needs is a bot flag, not patroller rights. He's not patrolling recent changes, but his bot edits are overwhelming it with bot script goodness. Hm. Thinks about asking Theo if he wants a bot flag.... The Gunny   20:27, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

^ ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:35, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Leon, I have no idea what you are talking about with me asking Bureaucrats to give Theodorico his rights back. That is simply my opinion and that's that. I have never begged for it or anything of the sorts. "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 00:53, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, to elaborate, I was never told that you were bugging the Bureaucrats specifically, nor that you were begging. Was just told that you have brought it up on multiple occasions randomly. If this is false, let me know and I will amend my comment. However, that was not my main concern. The main reason why I am on the bench is because of your irrational bouts of anger that led to you even being banned on one occasion.

For further clarification, the 3rd concern is not what made me vote neutral, but is instead an observation I wanted to hear from you about. The first two concerns are what made me vote neutral, as I feel if you cannot control your anger/emotions, then being in a position to ban/not ban people might be a legitimate worry. That is what I would like to see addressed before I change my vote from either a no or yes. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 02:24, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

@Leon, I have only said that Theo should have rights maybe 3 to 4 times max in a span of 2 weeks. As for the banning incident nearly a year ago, I will admit my mistake in how I took that but for the record (so people don't confuse the situation) I was banned as an anon after the disabling of my account Gunslinger470 over a few chat incidents that could have been handled better on my side and other the opposing side. A user was being taunted and mistreated and when I stuck up for said user I got the same treatment. I was in outrage and yes took to a forum to solve my problem where I did call names but since my return I have not been banned, been rather helpful all the way around Nukapedia, and if you ask users who regularly visit chat, I am rather helpful, nice, easy to get along with, and do not have random anger spouts in public chat. I have kept my composure like in the chat log above (and the others to come if I get my computer back) and you can ask users that I have not gone off in chat. Hopefully this can help sway your decision! "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 03:23, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I remember the forum, but never really looked into what led up to it (I have a pretty good feeling of whom you are referring to, however). I do know how you are in chat, which is a big plus for me as I know you tend to get along with everyone in there. As long as the outbursts do not become a regular yearly/bi-yearly habit, I cannot say I have any issues with you even in the least. Give me time to think on this further. I am going to be busy, but I will make sure to change my vote sometime later this week. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 04:08, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good! I am glad we could talk this out and get down to the roots of the ordeal rather than blasting one another with accusations. Thanks Leon! "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 04:13, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely. I know a lot of people interpret my words as hostile on the Internet, but always remember that anything I say is open to change or dismissal, as a wise decision is never made on the spot without thought or outside influence. I do not keep an eye out on the wiki much anymore, but I will still pop in at least for a few minutes every day to keep tabs on how your request is doing. Again, wish you luck, and I will make sure to have my vote changed soon. Hopefully in a manner you consider fair. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 04:17, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

@TwoBearsHigh-Fiving, I understand your concern with what I said in the screenshot and I am going to explain myself on it. Anyways, I pop into chat for the night and see this big long paragraph in Chinese with links. I research the links, the user in question and find that is is spam. I try to ping Callofduty4 in order for him to take care of the situation, with no response I write what I wrote. His username sits there as active which, as you put it, rubbed me the wrong way, seeing as he is there to remove spam and is not available (and has not been available the whole day). My way of wording it is what is getting me here as what I meant by what I said is that I come into chat and there is spam, I try to contact a VSTF to remove said user, and to no avail I wrote "Great! Chat gets spammed, Im not a mod yet, and VSTF doesn't do anything." My reasons for the latter part of what was said is that this isn't the first time I have seen spam and had VSTF in there who wouldn't help the situation. It was more of frustration that lead to me writing that and was a bad judgement call, which everyone has, that something I should have tried to resolve with better judgement and composure. If it were to happen again, and I was not a C-mod, I would happily screenshot the spam and try to contact a VSTF or Inactive admin/mod to resolve the situation rather than write something that would harm my future potential. If all or any SYSop in chat was unavailable to help I would go to someones TP and leave them the picture of what happened for it to be better resolved. I hope this helps my case and relieves any concerns of how I react. "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 07:54, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

@The Ever Ruler, You are very correct, the chance to "treat a situation with the tact and level-headedness required should the circumstances mount toward it" is there for everyone. What I am trying to figure out is when has a situation arose where I have not been level headed and tact in place. If you ask the people who voted "yes" they will most likely say that I am one of the more level-headed guys in chat and one of the composed ones in chat. I'm not trying to sway your vote or even sound angry with you (I am not by the way), I would just like an example of my conduct where I have not been leveled headed or composed to handled a situation. Thank you! "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 19:12, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

My extra amount of fear for your behavior stems from my concern over issues/events in your life. On a few occasions you seemed like you had a lot on your plate or were very emotional about certain issues. Granted this emotion was not anger but the fear is there and I'm hoping you remain as well mannered as you have. Just wanted to let you know how I felt is all. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 19:29, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I understand you completely and if/when I make Mod I will try and change your mind on that. Thank you for taking the time to explain your vote! :) "Some say this user is a Patroller..." 19:33, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I was seriously thinking about changing my vote to a yes, but then I read your response to Ever. Specifically: "I would just like an example of my conduct where I have not been leveled headed or composed to handled a situation." / "What I am trying to figure out is when has a situation arose where I have not been level headed and tact in place."

However, that is still not enough to make me vote no. That statement sent red bells ringing throughout my mind, and I feel at this point, my safest stance will have to remain being neutral. I am not dense, and I see there is a high chance you will pass this request, so all I hope for is that you will treat the position with respect and integrity. I wish you luck, and I will see you around. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 21:00, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Result

21/3/3. Pretty clear what the community consensus is here. Congrats. The Gunny   01:13, March 21, 2014 (UTC)