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Here's how I see this argument. Collecting technology is good and all, but what good will that do if no one is around to use it? Alas, what's the good of protecting the people, if they have no chance of survival without the tech? So basically, I see it as a draw, even though both are helping, they have their own ways of doing so. [[Special:Contributions/172.129.90.198|172.129.90.198]] 07:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Here's how I see this argument. Collecting technology is good and all, but what good will that do if no one is around to use it? Alas, what's the good of protecting the people, if they have no chance of survival without the tech? So basically, I see it as a draw, even though both are helping, they have their own ways of doing so. [[Special:Contributions/172.129.90.198|172.129.90.198]] 07:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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the bos allso look for tech just thay dont use all there resorces looking thay make it there main job to help the people and thay do soo by makeing sure the super mutants dont over run the whole waste land wich thay whould if there was no1 with the means to stop them--[[User:Xxuberdood|Xxuberdood]] 11:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

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Is it just me, or are the Brotherhood of Steel nothing but a big gang of pussies? You get all this crap from them how they do not have enough manpower to recover their comrades bodies, and how they were ostracised by their brethren for deciding to protect the innocent wastelanders from hostile forces, yet whenever you go to the Citadel, there are literally dozens of them wandering around doing nothing.

What the hell are they doing standing around the laboratory all day? Making sure no one is stealing test tubes? Or ensuring the scientists and lab technicians turn off the computers at the socket when they're done, and don't leave them on 'standby' all night?

For something to do, I think I'm going to go and wipe them all out, just for the hell of it.

I've already cleaned out Fort Independence by murdering all the Outcasts to death, and that was pretty easy...

Malkatraz 13:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel is lead by filthy traitors IMO. They should stop worrying about the Super Mutants and focus on their real goal: gathering technology. That's why I support the Outcasts, who are not in fact 'outcast' - they chose doing their job over helping a bunch of stupid wastelanders. PlasmaFox 14:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Why would you kill the Outcasts? They're the only Brotherhood members I see patrolling the wasteland. --MadDawg2552 15:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I dunno. A lot of people think it's fun to kill everything in sight. I don't. PlasmaFox 15:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, fair point regarding the Outcasts being fine upstanding characters compared with the BoS ballbags, however the only reason I embarked on my murderous rampage thru Fort Independence was because they all went for me when I inadvertently used the key I'd pickpocketed off the guard on the overpass (I'd been trying to get his Gatling laser) to get into the Fort.

I first did a runner, legging it over the horizon with lasers and 5mm calibre bullets whizzing past my fleeing ass until I was out of range, went home to Megaton, patched myself up, had a snooze, hit-up Wadsworth for some of his purified water (I'm sure he's selling me back my own piss), and then headed back to the Fort for another look (it was a few days later). They were still angry at me, so I decided to take the Fort by force. I got some lovely armour and weapons out of it, but I do regret the whole experience. I'll do it differently next time, I promise!

Malkatraz 16:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh... accidents happen. =) --MadDawg2552 16:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I dislike the outcasts, they get shit done true.. but they are so mouthy! user- KTO!

Im suprised no one cares when i kill henry casdin from a nearby cliff with a gauss rifle,i mean come on! He leads the mouthy bastards but yet no one cares he become my next dinner?

Wait... the Outcasts are fine upstanding characters? What game are you guys playing? The only reason they're 'patroling' the wasteland is so they can strip out all the tech for themselves. At least the Brotherhood is trying to kill off all the damn super mutants. Besides, you can actually get the brotherhood to treat you with respect. Help the outcasts, and they try to screw you out of your share of the loot. The outcasts can kiss my ass, and stay out of my way. --Stedh 18:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Look, let's think it like this. You are in the Army, and your platoon/whatever is being sent on a mission by the higher ups to go destroy the enemy bunker. Along the way, your CO decides to tell everyone to stay in a village indefinitely to protect them from invading Chinese communists. Replace Army with BoS, your platoon with the Capital Wasteland detachment, and so on. Do you think that's the right thing to do?
The Outcasts are separate from the BoS because they don't focus on protecting the Wastelanders (who will all die from mutation and radiation poisoning anyway) from Super Mutants. They stick to their one, true goal: finding technology. They don't want to hoard it for themselves. They want to work with the western BoS to get Owen Lyons off his high horse. They're the good guys. The CWBoS is corrupt, no matter what their intentions are, good or bad.
Not only that, but the Outcasts do treat you with a meager amount of respect after you complete the Anchorage simulation and bring in enough technology for Casdin. He'll even let you wear the outcast armour without taking it - think of it as being an honorary Outcast.
So next time you think about popping a cap in an Outcast's ass, think again. They're not "evil" or corrupt. They are the pure strain. They're the ones that are doing their job instead of being deviant traitors. They're the true Brotherhood. Not those pussy ass losers hiding in the Pentagon. PlasmaFox 18:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Except that the western elders allowed Lyons to stay. They just won't support him. Lyons is still the recognized commander of the BoS. Until the western elders say otherwise, Lyons is still in charge.
Second, the only ones they want to share technology with is the western BoS. Which, mind, they still consider themselves a part of. So, basically, they want to share ... with themselves. That's called hoarding.
Third, Casdin, McGraw, and Olin are the only ones who'll even consider treating you halfway decent. The rest will only not be asses because Casdin says you're ok. Don't fool yourself, they still think they're better than you. Bet Casdin's approval doesn't stop Sibley and his boys from trying to kill you, did it? Maybe there's a reason why you get fingers off the outcasts.
Finally, I don't know how you justify calling the CWBoS "pussies hiding in the Pentagon". The CW brothers are the ones fighting the Super mutants and the enclave. The outcasts run into the city looking for tech, but they don't stay there long. They spend most of their time scouring the wastes fighting mole rats. Oh, scary. --Stedh 20:15, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Lyons' Brotherhood is a bunch of pussies. What do they actually do? Nothing. They just maintain the Citadel and two outposts, shooting mutants from time to time, wasting their resources on a pointless crusade, letting technology be picked apart by scavengers rather than collecting it and preserving for the future. They are incompetent, stuck up and most of all, absolutely useless.
I prefer being talked down to by real professionals, rather than hang out with a bunch of idiots with delusions. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 22:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The whole Lyons Brotherhood vs. Outcasts argument is stupid because it's never going to end. I think Lyons and Casdin (and now McGraw, looks like) need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that if humanity is going to rebuild itself, they need to collect technology and protect settlements. Besides, Lyons' Brotherhood is better because they do both. While they do focus on protecting people, they are also partially fulfilling their original orders with the Arlington library detachment they have. The Outcasts are just assholes with a superiority complex. They're not patrolling the wasteland, they're looking for technology to recover. Ooh, I'm following orders. My black and red armor makes me a big walking target. I am a total badass. Please. Regardless of their childish schism (their missions really do not conflict, it's just their pride getting in the way), I'd say the Outcasts are better business partners. You go clean up the wasteland and bring them your loot, and they'll give you necessities. Ammo, RadAway, Stimpaks. What else do you need? 75.39.249.241 01:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Except the Brotherhood's goal is NOT to rebuild humanity. They're there to preserve the remains and make sure all is not lost, for themselves. They're isolationist, they're mostly intolerant of outsiders, they're zealotous and secluded. Back in the original Fallout, the Vault Dweller was sent on a suicide mission, -on purpose-. The BoS over there knew (or so they thought) he'd die, because they ARE assholes. The only reason the CWBoS doesn't send Wastelanders into the DC Ruins to get torn up by Super Mutants is because Lyons decided that they need to be "protected".
The Outcasts are no better or worse. So what if they're arrogant dickheads and big walking targets? You have to have balls to be hated by half the Wastes and feared by the other half, and still stroll around in the open with nothing but a thin sheet of power armour saving your ass from some knight's laser rifle. PlasmaFox 01:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I support the outcasts as well, even if they can be mean if you arent wearing their armor, but regardless, i do everything they ask of me, I even join their squads in the wastelands and attempt to assist them in their travels, I really wish however that I could truly join them, and I don't like the BoS because they left their cause, I mean, their original purpose was to find the tech (which is what the Outcasts are doing) and they abandoned this cause to "save" the worthless lives of the Wastelanders, many of which are really stupid, and I see why the Outcasts can doubt the people of the wasteland (including me), but I think after all the work I've done for them that they should let me join. And, if the BoS could complete their mission they could try to save the people with their new tech, but......... their too busy trying to stop super mutants, and they cant even do that, oh I wonder where the mutants are even coming from they ask, welllll, me, alone, found their hideout in a vault, which, if they had done their original job, they would have found out by now, and the radiation surrounding the place is no excuse, because they know how to get into it through little lamplight, but they wont do it, and who cares if the kids wont let them in, they have an ARMY for god's sake, just run in there guns blazing, who cares if their children, they shouldnt have been blocking their way! Even when I told the BoS where the super mutants are coming from they say, great job! and I sat there, waiting for them to mobilize to destroy it, but no, lets just sit there. Anyways, the Outcasts are doing their job, and I would much rather support them than the stupid BoS. Britton 20:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the Brotherhood can't kill children, because that's bad. No, let's completely forget that you can dismember and explode people into a pile of gory chunks, that people say "fuck" constantly, that you see both of your parents die before your eyes, that you can sleep with multiple people in the game, and that there are nude mods for both adult -and- child females. Killing or hurting children is -bad-. PlasmaFox 07:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


To be fair they both are jerk-offs to you... but the outcasts have cooler armour and better tech, but the normals, have the citidel and liberty prime. the brotherhood have gone local, and the outcasts continue their origional mission...so would you say that the outcasts are actually the real brotherhood and Lyons' Brotherhod the outcasts?OutcastBOS 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)OutcastBOS

The BOS may have abandoned finding tech but it's for a noble cause. the outcasts are real assholes because they talk down to you calling you 'local wildlife' and crap. That aside both factions are freakin annoying because they both hide in a building talking shit to eachother trying to be better than the other and on the odd occasion they go out to strretch their legs and get massacred by a bloatfly. i'd rather hang out with the freakin enclave cos they have a mission and they're doing theur best to stick to it...even though they hide out in a freakin cave. so summed up: if its wearing power armour its hiding in a building or cave and its got a big set of haters and fanatics Mr snip 11:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I like them both, even though the outcasts are douchebags. However, the BOS are saving people and scavenging tech as well. Hell, they're holed up in the pentagon, they're probably still finding tech there after 30 years. Of course, it's a divided effort, so they're not scavenging as much as the Outcasts. I think it's kind of stupid they split up at all. If I were Lyons, I would have made an order devoted to finding tech and an order devoted to saving people, so they can do their job, get support from the west, and save the wastelan all at the same time.Broeman 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I generally follow one rule while I roam the wastes: Bother what bothers me. If a deathclaw decides to rip out my guts, he's going to have to fight for it. If raiders think I am an easy target, they will be proven wrong. If some dickhead in painted power armor thinks he can just walk up to me and say: "Shouldn't you be banging rocks together?" without repercussions, I am going to tear his head off and decorate my house with it. The Brotherhood Outcasts are bastards in the true form: They don't bother about anything else than their goal. Plus, they do have some nice armor that I don't mind taking off their dead bodies.

And what is all this about the BoS sitting locked up in the Pentagon Building with their thumb up their asses? They are actually working against extreme odds and two strong enemies (the rest of a shadowy government section with metal fetish AND the anarchistic, retarded, horde-like offspring of a pre-war virus). It is thanks to the BoS that the entire DC area is as it is: Without them, it would be MUCH worse... like Three Dog says: "Give them your thanks, or even better, some ammo!" Plus, they do have superior firepower to the Outcasts: Where the Outcasts only have smart-ass attitude, the BoS has a gigantic robot that makes Optimus Prime look like a thrash can with inferiority complex in comparison. AngryNorwegianDude 12:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


Even though most people don't like the Outcasts, you gotta give them credit... i was walking outside of the Talon Company base and I saw two Outcasts with Gatling Lasers and a Gutsy walk up to it, the Talons started to attack them and the Outcasts wiped them all out, the two both survived and the Gutsy was critacally injured. do you think two of Lyon's BOS could've done that?OutcastBOS 21:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)OutcastBOS

Nope... But Liberty Prime could have, you know, phased their asses into next week while yelling: "Communism is a crime against humanity!" Come to think of it, THAT would have been awesome! AngryNorwegianDude 21:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

hmmm... Youre right, Liberty Prime is one piece of sweet-ass tech that the BOS Outcasts don't have, but if they did, they would be without a doubt the coolest branch of the BOSOutcastBOS 18:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)OutcastBOS

liberty prime was originally supposed to be drivable. you were supposed to use it to attack rivet city which the enclave had gotten working.Maccy Man

Yeah, right. And there is an M60 at Paradise Falls, too. And pigs can fly. Quit filling the forum with bullshit. AngryNorwegianDude 16:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

look at the fucking special edition guide book retard it talks about it there.Maccy Man

No, it doesn't. I have the guidebook. You're just making up bullshit, like with the M60 at paradise falls. Besides, the guidebook is made by Prima, not Bethesda. They don't know shit about development and what was supposed to be in the game, they just wrote a guide about what was actually in it. And also, why the fuck would the enclave hole up in Rivet City? There's nothing useful at all there, since the purifier is at Jefferson Memorial. Now please stop making shit up and posting it here, because we all find you incredibly annoying when you do that. Broeman 20:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I support the Outcasts completely, yet I didn't destroy the Citadel in Broken Steel. Callahan's Magnum wasn't quite appealing to me, even though I would've loved to bash Sarahs face in. Besides, I see them protecting Wastelanders outside of every Fort. Just patrolling, being cool, collecting tech. Damn that Brotherhood. --AlbinoTitan

This argument is dumber than the "console wars" it's a GAME people a GAME think for a minute both groups are programmed AI in a GAME neither one is "better" or "tougher" because they arn't real isn't even real. just enjoy the game and quit getting mad at it 24.255.86.193 20:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC) i think the bos are a good thing to happen to the cw if it wernt for them helping the people all people whould be SM and the game whould be over befor its starts allso if the outcasts saw a raider killing a wastlander and saw a pice of tec next to them thayd kill them bost and take the tec opps for got to log in b4 i sighnd lol--Xxuberdood 23:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

When was the last time you saw a Lyons' BoS patrol out in the wastes, protecting people? 15px-Scribe.jpg Tagaziel (call!) 23:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Exactly. They just hang around in their safehouses. At least the Outcasts wander around a bit. Lord Spoonfield III 23:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but usually when I play it is in my best interest to kill any type of Bos That I see that I can get away with because I don't mind how my Karma is.To me,There just corpses with fancy equipment that I want.The outcasts are Jerkoffs but they are not always held up in a building.They wander and even if it is only for Tech,If they see a wastelander getting killed,They will fight.All Lyon's BoS do is sit up in a High tech building with alot of equipment that I want and think there saving the wastelands,when everyone probably going to die anyway.It seems that the Outcats are looking for tech to survive longer but it doesn't mean there going to "Horde" it.If they were smart,They would get that equipment to settlement's that might actually have a chance like Megaton or Tenpenny tower.If the BoS really wanted to stop the SM's they patrol alot of the major settlement's.Maybe even Clear the Metro Tunnels for easier access to places.The Enclave are just some stupid retards who think America is still a great nation and they are just a bunch of high tech dumbfucks.--ZeroPro 05:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It's funny how the people who support the (CW) BoS either understand the moral standpoint, or bring up things from previous installments. I liked the BoS in the other Fallout's main stories, yes they do send you on a suicide mission; but because of that mission I did get the Enclave power armor. In Fallout 3 yes the CW BoS collect tech, and so do the outcast, but I'd say the "outcast" (who agreed do have a superiority complex) are the assholes. all they want is the tech where as our new BoS does try to rebuild, if you have played the game to the original ending you should know that with project purity, and protect the people. As for those who say they sit in the base all day and do nothing, have you really ever defended a main base where you DON'T have an unlimited supply i.e. are not using cheat codes; you would have a large force there so as to keep it protected. (you imbeciles) I have also been wandering around D.C. and have ran into the CW BoS plenty of times so yes they do go around, you should try walking instead of "fast traveling" everywhere. So in my opinion the new BoS our CW BoS are doing a better job; because they are not only following the original collect tech orders, but are also helping out the wasteland. spawnsos

Oh, sure, except there are no human settlements in downtown DC, only the GNR (Three Bitch's pet project for some reason supported by Lyons' retards) and supermutants, Lyons' white whale. Lyons is an incompetent fool, who lost track of what's really important. Outcasts stick to their mission objectives, are professional and help the people of the wastes by eradicating any creatures they come across in their technology hunt.
Therefore, the Outcasts are those who truly protect the wastelands. 15px-Scribe.jpg Tagaziel (call!) 00:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Well it just seems that Lyon's think that Purifing the water wa going to save the enitre wasteland but there are barely any good human settlements and the downtown D.C. had almost none so you pretty much gave water to all the enclave and raider's that are out there killing off any human settlements.--ZeroPro 06:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

(After BS)CWBoS protect and supply wastelanders, wipe out the enclave, and raid all thier tech, and will probably overtime become humanity's best hope for revival.GodPlageon 07:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's how I see this argument. Collecting technology is good and all, but what good will that do if no one is around to use it? Alas, what's the good of protecting the people, if they have no chance of survival without the tech? So basically, I see it as a draw, even though both are helping, they have their own ways of doing so. 172.129.90.198 07:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

                                                                                         the bos allso look for tech just thay dont use all there resorces looking thay make it there main job to help the people and thay do soo by makeing sure the super mutants dont over run the whole waste land wich thay whould if there was no1 with the means to stop them--Xxuberdood 11:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)