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Hi Folks,
I know after the last time we tried a "staff meeting" it ended in an unmitigated disaster. However, I think given upcoming events, this is something we've got to do. Agent c (talk) 20:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
All Hands Meeting 1 - Preparing for BE3 day - 23 May[]
I propose we hold this meeting on 23 May at 1700 US eastern, 2200 British Summer Time.. (NOT 2000, my maths appeared to have failed me).
What we end up discussing will depend on 1: If one of us is going to BE3 day (I am pre-registered, no idea if I get selected or can actually get there). 2: If I can engineer up the broadcasting platform I'm hoping to setup.
This will be to discuss what we will be doing on the day, and the immediate aftermath to deal with the influx of traffic we may receive.
The hope is this will just be "general" talk about strategy to maximise our exposure and coverage. If we are broadcasting, we'll also discuss who else we might invite to take part of our broadcast.
If we need to have a contingency policy ready to deal with the influx we may discuss that in order to get admin-consenus for a "decree" decision, but we should have plenty of time to do things the normal way.
All Hands Meeting 2 - Post Announcement - 20 June[]
I propose that we hold this meeting (subject to a new Fallout game being announced) on 20 June, at the same time as the previous meeting.
This meeting will be to evaluate what the impact has been on the Wiki of the announcement, and how well our coverage has gone.
If there is an apparent need for an emergency rule to deal with the traffic/attention, there will be the opportunity to get admin consensus to make the rule by decree (however, it is my hope that we would also offer this for "confirmation" by the greater community with the rule being enforced in the short term).
Who, and Where[]
Members of the leadership team are highly encouraged to attend, as we may need to make some decisions.
Non Admins-Moderators-Chat Mods-Patrollers are also welcome. Your views on any decisions that we make are also welcome.
My intention is that we hold this in our chatroom. Depending on the load we may have to ask that off topic discussion be limited in this time (but it is my hope we do not need to do so).
Comments, Queries, and counter-suggestions[]
I am more curious how this will work, even. Won't video(s) from the conference be suitable enough?
In addition, doesn't the Wikia Staff participate in these events? Or, at least, has some interest in it? ☢ Energy X ☣ 19:54, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
Wikia at this stage will not be at E3.
Suitable? Sure. But lets not be "Suitable", lets be "Great". Agent c (talk) 20:01, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
Eh, another chat meeting. Last time I was invited, I couldn't even make it. Both times! Also, I don't know what I could possibly contribute to this sort of "announcement." Leea (talk) 14:43, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
- It was suggested to me, to add my [proposal] onto this forum, in order to takes its relevance into consideration in regards to the upcoming second meeting.
- I was not around for the first meeting, so I am not sure how appropriate of a topic this is in comparison to anything/everything else that has been discussed up to this point. If there is a more appropriate medium for my proposal, just let me know. :)
- Hope you all approve of my proposal, and I will be looking forward to having some discussion over it. Thank you. 69.247.6.120 18:26, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
Confirmed Attendees[]
- Agent c (talk) (Both).
- WastedWarrior (talk) (Both, as long as something doesn't prevent me).
- JASPER42 (talk · contribs) (both, probably)
- RaulTheGhoul (talk) (Both, barring any unforeseen circumstances.)
- Jspoel First one will be ok, second one on 20 June is doubtful. Highschool reunion, got to be there!
- Richie9999 (talk) I should be able to make it to the first one, dunno for sure about the second. Oh the joys of working two jobs.
- -bleep196- (talk) First one should be Ok, second one I'm not as sure about.
- Tehpwner7067 (talk) Both
- A Follower (talk) Precisely what I've been waiting for. First date already saved in my calendar, availability for the second will be determined in the coming weeks.
- Bigsamcrew (talk) First one for sure, Second one doubtful. I will be working at a camp and have no access.
- NotAKern (talk) (Both, hopefully)
- Archmage Neko (talk) (Both, though not confident on the second one)
- TwoBearsHigh-Fiving talk (Both, I've been wondering when this day would come)
- Tocinoman (talk · contribs) (second; I have plans on the night of the first)
- The Fourth Amigo Both if nothing pops up between then.
- Peace'n Hugs (Both unsure, in case i'm not here the 23rd, Jspoel gets my vote)
- GarouxBloodline (Second meeting - missed the first one already.) 17:58, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
- The Ever Ruler Upon reviewing my work schedule, I should be able to attend the second meeting. 18:10, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
- Digital_Utopia Should be there for the second one.
Minutes of the First Meeting[]
Attendees[]
-bleep196-
A Follower
Agent c
Edeline222
JASPER42
Jimmies the Unrustled
Jspoelstra
NotAKern
Pally117
Peace’n Hugs
Richie9999
Tehpwner7067
The Gunny
WastedWarrior
Bigsamcrew
Agenda[]
Broadcasting
Schedule and plan
Possible collaborators
Need for “researchers”
Surge Management
Temp Admins
Gunny
Renovation
Community engagement
Radio
Jasper’s Proposal
Minutes[]
Meeting called to order at 10.00
Agenda called at 10.04
Broadcast
Gstaff is spoken to and had no issues rebroadcasting their stream
Nobody is going to E3 as far as anyone can tell
Jasper and Chad will produce some sort of coverage: Pre show, stream uninterrupted, post show analysis
Must prepare for-non fallout stuff
Announcement/link on wiki
Popular fallout fan site (On This Day In Fallout History) on FB interested in joining
Chad suggests having them on standby
Chad will talk to admins: Pelinal or Cheatcodechamp, and have Clyde as a Wolfenstein expert
Need someone for Dishonoured, Doom, Evil Within, Battlecry
Follower had edited Dishonoured wiki before, sees a lot of Essie Essex
Cutting to people will be post show
Post show will be a recap of the headlines for late comers then analysis. Chad, Jasper and another at a time to avoid overcrowding
Chad will deal with inter-dishonoured and fallout wiki
Social media presence brought up by Pally
Jasper suggests reading “choice tweets” as well as live feedback
Will need some people watching stuff they can’t feeding them stuff (Them being those on stream)
Need people watching journalist sites “the big ones”:
Jasper will keep an eye on Nuka’s twitter feed or the hashtag (#BE3)
Peace suggests checking FNV and FO3 presentations for reference
To surge management
Increase in traffic, potential trolls, good faith mistaken edits
Jspoel claims it’ll be manageable
Jasper increasing social media presence for more traffic
Chad wants to look at possible temp admins
Richie suggests advising difference between vandalism and good faith
Spike in UK and US times according to Jasper
Peace not in favour of temp admins
Follower suggests blocking anons for 48 hours post annmouncement
Temp admins only for extra rights holders-Follower
Richie reluctant for temp admins
Gunny does not want blocked editing
Former admins approached by Chad
Jasper thinks it won’t be an issue
Follower does not agree with the whole affair
Chad suggests tabling at next meeting
Bugs sections will need careful patrolling and maintenance
Jasper does not trust some rights holders to be admins
Peace is worried about fluffing bad edits as bad faith
Consensus on temp admins is wait and see if needed
Consensus on blocking anons on FO4 page is against
Peace won’t be active for June 14
Talk about patrollers, Kern and Bigsam
Follower doesn’t want rights handed out willy nilly
Consensus is wait and see on new rights holders
Renovation
Templates from Gunny
News in Newspaper from Jasper
Change colours based on FO4 colours from Follower
Jasper’s on hex colours
Jspoel advises caution
A lot of arguing over colours occurred then for a solid 5 minutes
Jasper will come up with colours and there will be a vote on it
Chad wants a PHBB forum
Follower wants more official affiliates
Richie left at 10.50
Some talk about blogs
Kern says pissing on hands saves time
Peace suggests having chat logged again
Chad is not in favour unless it is offsite
Jasper wants logger to be elected
Chad wants access to be requested
Pally agrees with logs
Bigsam enters meeting 10.59
Jspoel recommends screenshots
Peace suggests screenshots can be cumbersome and manipulated
Jasper claims screenshots are tricky
Neutrally sourced logs are clearer according to Peace
Pally suggests someone who can run a constant bot
We would need someone to run a server according to Gunny
Jspoel feels no need
Richie returns 11.01
Moving on as it is not relevant to E3
Radio station
Chad wants to make a radio station
No pop music because it costs licensing money
Follower suggests Wikia pays for it
Peace wants rickrolls what else is new
Chad wants promos (jingles) made if money is made available
All this would work with youtube
Jasper suggests keeping stuff in playlists
Jasper is planning new content for youtube
Non E3 thing
Chad gives Jasper the floor
Nukapedia trust idea
Money through merch, youtube and donations
Jasper suggests a minecraft realms server which costs £7 and require £1 to play on the server
Peace would be willing to make YT videos
Jspoel is the owner of the logo and wikia would need to sign off on the merch idea
He has copyright
Minecraft realms server costs £8
Obviously an optional thing
Suggestion of server being themed to fallout
Recreated megaton for spawn
Talk about splitting community features to other site if wikia akllows
Richie left at 11.34
Gunny will have limited time
Meeting adjourned at 11.25
Next meeting at 10pm, 1 week after BE3
Minutes of the Second Meeting[]
Attendees[]
Agent C
Ant2242
Archmage Neko
Covert General
Digital Utopia
DrippyGump
Gaming Foxy
Giler252
JASPER42
Kingclyde
Kittynator
Limmiegirl
Linconl
Mfckr
NotAKern
Oscar Karlsson
Paladin117
Peace’n Hugs
Red Lucy
Sarkhan the Sojourner
Shining-Armor
SuperVegito1229
The Fourth Amigo
The Gunny
The Koromo
ToCxHawK
Vault girl76
Agenda[]
Minutes
WAMscore
Matters arising from the last meeting
Processes
• ->Consensus.
• ->Specialists Teams Content
• ->Shelter - Do we have all structural stuff in place
• ->Fallout 4 - What works is needed
• ->Image name conventions
• ->Referencing
• ->Front Page/Colours
• ->NavBar Personel
• ->Patrollers
• ->Admin Need?
• ->Chat Mod Need
Marketing
• ->Wikia
• ->Contests
Minutes[]
22.00 meeting called to order 22.00 Agenda 22.03 Meetings read, through linking the forum
WAM Score
We’re great
Matters arising from the last meeting
Chad felt we couldn’t compete with Beth’s stream so scrapped it
Radio stuff on the back burner
Did good on the twitter
Pally did great shots of the stream
Peace is tooting his own horn at his actions pre and post trailer
Hawk wants admin
Peace assumes everyone was sleeping at E3, but a similar thing could happen for FO4
Jasper doesn’t think it’s that big a deal
Chad would like another meeting pre FO3
Peace is worried admins will be playing when it’s released so wiki is succeptible to vandalism
Pally says “If you can’t play and admin, you shouldn’t be admin
Gunny is of a similar mind
Peace thinks we “fucked up” Shelter
Vault apparently did better than us according to Peace
Leaving release stuff to a later date
Consensus
“This comes down from two issues, one people asking to do stuff they should just do, and others
not talking about stuff on talk pages when maybe they should”-Chad
Jasper thinks this is Leon wanting to know what’s happening
Limmie wants to promote the use of Talk Pages
Gunny agrees
Limmie believes sometimes good faith mistakes are treated harshly
Peace thinks we revert too much useful content because most of it is “shit”
Digital thinks people don’t know what the site’s intent is
Limmie and Jasper think sassy edit summaries and comments are wrong
Chad agrees it should be professional
Jasper thinks not everything has to be talk pages as it is easier to explain in chat in some situations
Digital thinks making anons wary discourages editing
Neko thinks it’s easier to use short links to the problem than explain it when reverting edits as Wikipedia does
Pally says we do but nobody uses them
Neko thinks it should be enforced more
Chad believes if an issue is controversial and needs consensus that TP should be used
Jasper thinks TPs slow the process
Limmie says that TPs are for future user’s benefit
Chad says to use chat for simple reverts and TP for controversial ones
Jasper assumes Leon is paranoid that chat is being used to shape the wiki
Sarkhan the Sojourner (Leon) enters at 22.23
Neko reveals his elf fetish in a show of solidarity with Leon
The Ever Ruler joins at 22.25
Final decision from Chad is “Right, so have we talked out the consensus thing? Simple revert, chat to the person ok, something more, use the talk page to come to a decision”
Second opinions in chat are okay but are not consensus according to Chad
BrandonFox enters at 22.27
The Ever Ruler leaves at 22.27
Jasper wants to know when the current system has been misused
Gaming Foxy enters at 22.29
Gunny would like a specific example from Leon as to when policies and consensus were achieved in chat and claims chat was used to settle “long-standing speculation debates”
Leon cannot give a specific example
Kitty does not recall such an event
Chad is not privy to chat being used in such a way
Leon gives the example of Salient Green issue
Claims chat was used to strong arm an opinion over another
Chad links the TP and sees a consensus reached
Jasper asks if we had a forum and vote on how to handle speculation as it was a direct result of the debate
Leon says, and I am too lazy to summarise : “Anyways, I digress from this point in the agenda.
That is a settled matter, that has no need for further discussion. The reason why I said something earlier, not necessarily to have it in the meeting, is because of my concerns that chat would become a decision ground, over the regular wiki. A lot of things are too small. So who cares? But for bigger things, there are more people on the wiki than the chat”
Gunny says that as we have a specific example, we will look closer at it in the future
Specialist Teams
Gunny suggested this eg Bleep and bugs
Limmie asks isn’t this what projects are for
Peace prefers just editing
Neko suggests forming projects for handling tasks in a modular way
Chad recommends something less formal
A project system is better to use according to Neko
Limmie agrees
Chad believes it is a job for the pre launch meeting
Neko claims Team Bon Jovi for weapons
Shelter
Peace says we’re missing a lot eg “Water and food”
Linc and Gunny are deferred to
Gunny’s issue is he doesn’t know what needs to be done and is creating things as they are brought to his attention
Chad can do screen grabbing
Kingclyde enters at 22.43
Jasper can edit once an android version is released as can Kern
Chad says FO Shelter characters should get a stub of the pages of the original games they are in, consensus is reached
Fallout 4
Chad asks what new items we need
Peace says “everything we find and still makes sense”
Templates are fine according to Gunny and Jasp
Hawk and Pally say we need to deal with mods
Eg laser pistol vs rifle
Peace says to wait and see
Dunc’s idea is to design a full page of weapon mod variants for a weapon and use tables
Jasp says we need to know the 50 base weapons first
Gunny suggests a forum for weapon mods
Leon, Clyde and Limmie agree with Jasper’s wait and see approach
Leon recommends using just the base article for weapons
Chad tables the item of the agenda
Infoboxes
Shining recommends a switch from complex and bulky wiki-text based templates to a new system
which allows infoboxes to be more properly displayed on both mobile and desktop devices.
Jasper thinks it’s ugly
Most disagree with Shining’s idea
Chad is leaving it to Shining for later to make up examples
Image naming conventions
Gunny says it’s inconsistent
Gunny thinks this merits a policy and forum
User images need to start with the user’s name
A forum will be made on the matter
Colour Scheme and aesthetics
Jasper thinks we what we have now is good as FO4 seems far more vibrant
Peace suggests making it changeable for users
Chad suggests a blue yellow colour scheme
Chad leaves colours with Gunny
Navbar
The navbar is full and they cannot add Fallout Shelter
Leon recommends removing Lionheart
Chad will fold 1/2/Tac into "Classic"
References
Hawk and Kern believe references are important
Lolguy should be told to reference things
Jasp suggests banning Lolguy if he refuses
Lim thinks references shouldn’t be optional
Patrollers
Chad brings up that new cmods cannot be patrollers for 2 months
Chad wants to waive the rule for new Cmods to be patrollers
Eg for Hail and Kern
Hail and Kern are “The shizzle” according to Jasp
Every Cmod will become a full mod
Kern can’t be a patroller given he’s irish according to Hawk
Admin need
We’re good but digital may need to be temped for mediawiki or editing pages
Cmod need
We’re fine with no obvious gaps
Wikia
Should we add Fallout-appropriate ads to the front page for FO4
Consensus is yes if it’s exclusive content to wikia/nukapedia yes, if it’s a rehash piece, no
Contests
Leon’s suggestion is up first
Leon wants to bring a competition to the wiki
It is a competition that will take place on many other communities. The Nerd Lair, Fallout Fanatics, Fallout: Keepers of the Lore, and The Vault are already involved.
In which 50 people from each community pitch their favourote fallout fan theory?
Prizes include a copy of Fallout 4 or the GotY edition, and a bunch of other Fallout merch
Chad thinks the workload of this is too high
Jasp is wondering who will make the prized (leon)
Pally asks how they will get 50 entries per wiki
Jasp has concerns over copyright and health and safety
Chad is worried about lawsuits given Beth sued for “Scrolls”
Chad thinks we should run a different competition, specific to Nukapedia and to encourage editing
Leon wants IPs checked which we cannot and will not do according to Jasp
The Escapist is on board with Leon’s idea
Chad’s idea involves good edits on a certain topic result in winning
Admins will be excluded
Chad will donate 100 pounds for a prize pool and other donations are welcome
Consensus is to put it on a forum and decide there
Other
Jasper will put his minecraft server proposal in a blog
Meeting is adjourned at 00.03