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Greetings! It is I, SigmaDelta54, once again requesting your vote, this time to become an administrator of Nukapedia: The Fallout Wiki!

Some background info et al.

I've been registered on this wiki since October, and it's been a little over three months now. I do not feel that total "time" registered on this wiki should be an impediment of any kind. I've learnt a ton during my time here. In the beginning, I simply edited minor stuff (i.e. Typos, spelling errors, grammar problems, etc.) After this I moved onto bigger things, including a lot more writing, categorising, page creating, and all that good stuff. I've been corrected many times by various more experienced users and I have made mistakes. But I do believe now is my time to step up and take on an administrator position here at this grand wiki.

What I plan on doing with administrator privileges (update)

  • I'm on at times when not many others are, leaving the wiki susceptible to much vandalism. Along with reverting vandalism, I plan to block certain users (anons or registered) if they show blatant vandalism, in accordance with the policies.
  • I'll protect pages that have been repeatedly vandalised, or have ongoing edit wars. In the latter case, I'd then proceed to the editors and have them work it out, along with providing my view(s).
  • I "police" the edits quite stalkerishly, and I can/will delete pages that do not fulfil the criteria or are not in accordance with the content policy.

Contributions, qualifications etc.

I want to put up more information so people can have a better understanding of my work here. I won't include everything, and you can read more on my mod request forum page. I can't judge the significance of each one, so I'll list 'em all.

Or you could look at this:
There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

In conclusion

I do realise that there are quite a few requests going about. But I do feel that this site has been somewhat under-managed since the split, with only two active admins. I recognise the diligence and hard work of the aforementioned admins and they deserve applause! Editing on this wiki has really been my passion, and I do love the community here. I sincerely hope you will give your yes vote to this request, but I do want, above all, honesty. Please provide constructive criticism in the comments section regardless of your vote! This might be a little extensive relatively, and I hope it wasn't too bad ;)

-ΣΔLet's talk! 20:09, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Poll

  • Yes You've done a great job here and deserve to become an admin of this wiki. The Australian Kiwi 20:17, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes I wish you luck in this application Danny :). Þe Guardian/My talk page-[Via the bot] 20:48, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

*NeutralI see some of the overbearing stuff that Guardian is talking about... But what I don't see here is an idea of why you want/need the tools; what are you going to do on Jan 26 (vote pending) that you can't do today? I may come back and move this to a yes later... Agent c 21:25, January 19, 2012 (UTC) *Yes I think you've learned a lot through this vote process, in paricular in the way you've now started to deal with objections. I'm still not 100% you're there, but I think this growing process is enough that I can now support you, if you still think this is something you want to do. Agent c 17:59, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

  • No sadly it seems I was mistaken. You've either learned nothing, or learned the wrong lesson. I like you, I want you to stay, but this running at the first hurdle must cease - it will do you no good here, or in life in general.Agent c 20:26, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
  • No It's not that I'm jumping on the bandwagon, but see my comments below--Bunny2Bubble 21:41, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • Neutral EDIT: I know you're a good editor and everything, I just feel that it is a little too early. Sorry. EBTalk 21:46, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
    • It should be noted that EB changed his mind because he felt pressured by the applicant into doing so (revealed through a Skype conversation). A little bit of eagerness is okay but when people feel the need to change their votes simply because they don't want to be chased around for their decision, it worries me. The discussion section here exists to discuss this vote and is a great way of avoiding the issue of making people feel like they're being harassed into changing their mind. --User:Cartman!User talk:Cartman! 05:09, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
  • Neutral See my comment down below for my new stance. Dragon Skål!
  • Neutral As far as I'm concerned, you're still getting the hang of being a moderator. Maybe once you've settled into that position you can think about being an admin.
Yes Actually, I've had a change of heart. I was hardly ready to be a moderator when I got it, and I'd like to think I got the hang of it. Sure, Sigma wouldn't be my first decision if we had to choose a new admin, but he's a hell of a lot more qualified than some of the admins we've had here in the past. If you do get this promotion, use it to show that my trust in you was well placed. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 04:18, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes These votes surprise me. He's still having some rough edges and needs to work a bit on interaction with new users, but he has learned fast in the past 3 months (even started his own project with creating a new template), enough I think to pass the vote. And he's been very active, so with him helping me check all those daily edits would be a big help. Ok, he's only been 3,5 months a member, but the split has left us needing new ones soon and in fact I had seen him as the first of a new batch. I wonder what would have been your votes if his request had been before Garoux and Two Bears'. I hope people will reconsider their vote, waiting another 2 months for him to join the admin ranks would be a pity and I think let-down for such an enthousiastic member. This is how far my my help can go, Sigma, the rest is up to you. Perhaps you can still turn things around for the better vote. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:28, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • No Dude you've only been a chatmod for a few weeks and you're already ditching that job? It doesnt make you seem very committed, how can we know that you'll take adminship seriously? How about you spend some real time in the job before you go for a promotion?JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 23:45, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • No See my thoughts below ToCxHawK 05:56, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
  • Neutral You seem just a tad too eager in my taste to get these privileges; the minimum amount of time to become an admin is three months, you apply after 3 months and 6 days. You additionally applied for chat moderator about three weeks ago, so I think you need to just slow down. I agree that the Fallout Wiki is low on admins at the moment, but I would rather have one experienced admin than five inexperienced admins. From what I've seen you haven't exactly been all that involved in wiki decisions, voicing your opinion, etc. Your qualifications are also kind of drab; aside from being a project leader, I don't see anything that shows that extra "oomph" that shows that you're ready for this position. --Kastera (talk) 01:04, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
I've reconsidered in my vote and changed it to neutral. Voting no was a bit too harsh. I was voting no for becoming an admin at this moment. I have no objections to you becoming an admin in the future (maybe 1-2 months), but I just feel you're too green. Keep in mind that a month or two is shorter than you think. :)
  • No I haven't been around much lately, but I have noticed your activity. Very good. Unfortunately, it seems you have trouble interacting with the community sometimes, and a few trusted users have had a few negative things to say about you. Without the support of the community and strong relationships with the people who make up said community, you can never be successful as an admin. Other users, like Jspoel, seem to support you, and I admire his opinion, but he seems to be in the minority this time. Keep working and let people get to know you better. BILLYOCEAN Wanna talk? 16:47, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes I had my thoughts about this, but I realised you can do a very good job. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 10:04, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes See my comments below The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 03:40, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  • No Its way to soon. --RAMUser talk:Ramallah 07:34, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  • No Too soon, and the contributions listed are overwhelmingly minor, the project point is more fitting. I also don't think your reasons are particularly astounding. Ultimately I don't know if you have the correct attitude especially when it comes to problem solving and debate, but this will come in time. I think we should probably introduce a rule where one cannot apply for adminship within three months of a moderator request. --User:Cartman!User talk:Cartman! 04:52, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
    • Your over-eagerness on this matter has come to my attention and is worrying in regards to how you seem to be trying to muscle "no" votes out of the way by leaving voters messages on their talk pages, particularly EB. I've left a point above. --User:Cartman!User talk:Cartman! 05:09, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
      • Scratch the above point about EB, as it is in fact every dissenter who is being contacted by the applicant in an attempt to make them change their vote (with maybe a few exceptions). This is not good at all and my impressions of the applicant have been affected accordingly. If people are changing their vote because they feel like they have to for the sake of an easier life then the results aren't going to be accurate. Take on board criticism, don't dismiss it while asking everyone to "reconsider", it also seems overwhelmingly like begging in some instances and this doesn't make you look any more attractive as a prospective admin.. --User:Cartman!User talk:Cartman! 05:15, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
        • I have to add to this. It is one thing to be dissapointed with a vote, but encouraging others to change it, I've seen it done to everyone on here, is kind of, well, I don't even know a word. Take your votes with some integrity. Don't try to change people's minds, I found it intrusive. When I first applied for moderator, and a lot voted no, I delt with it. On the admin request I have now, If anyone votes no, so it will be.--Bunny2Bubble 05:17, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

@Guardian: In my defence I must say that I do indeed report blatant vandals and I've marked many pages for deletion. However, I cannot change your vote and I appreciate the feedback nevertheless.

Isn't that a bit defeatist Sig? The poll isn't closed, and you can convince him to change his vote at any time until then.Agent c 21:58, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
Well, seeing as he isn't the only opposed, I can only do so much to convince. Maybe this was a bad idea after all... -ΣΔLet's talk! 22:01, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
Not a bad idea at all, just perhaps too soon. I know that you are a great editor, but not necessarily one who needs to be an admin just yet :) My profile pageCome and say hello 22:06, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
We're only what, 4 votes in? At one stage it seemed certain this place would be called "Geckipedia" until Nukapedia came out of nowhere. There wont be any serious promotion for the poll until I get home and write the news... Only one person has the ability to turn this aroud - you. Don't take the No's and Maybe's as a "No", take them instead as a "Convince me". I don't think anyone here is opposed to you for personal reasons, so the right actions, the right words may swing things your way. The post you put on my talk page is exactly the fighting spirit that could convince a maybe to go to yes.Agent c 22:12, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
Right, thank you so much Agent. I've always struggled with confidence issues, but I"ll try my best! -ΣΔLet's talk! 22:15, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, if you promote yourself a bit more about the vandalism (which I do see you have to report to Jspoel for blocking) I think could make a difference. The Australian Kiwi 22:16, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! -ΣΔLet's talk! 22:17, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

To tell the truth dude, I think you've come in to this too hard. I'm not being harsh or mean or picky agaisnt you or anything (which people seem to assume I am when our opinions come to conflict) but you seen to have become a tad arrogant (maybe not the best word, but it's the only one I can think of right now) with your new powers. You really should have to prove you're something special to reach admin. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 23:52, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to clarify that my vote is essentially a yes. I just want to see how you deal with this first test of pressure before I change my vote from neutral. Dragon Skål! 23:57, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

@JASPER42: SigmaDelta is just about committed as it can get. He's just not that much into chat and is focusing on editing, which clearly is the more important activity. In my early days we didn't have chat, but if we had, I would not have been it being a moderator. It's not my cup of tea. And it shouldn't count when considering someone for admin. Admin is meant for people who edit, not chat. And Sigma's a very active editor. People who like the chat, apply for (chat)moderator, like you. And people who are editors, like SD, apply for adminship. They both will then get the rights they use and benefit from the most. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:06, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Although I agree on the large difference between a chatmod and admin I dont like how Sig seemed to ditch it so quick. It's not his lack of work in chat that bothers me about him becoming admin, it's his lack of time after promotion that I dislike, it shows a lack of commitment to suddenly go "Nahhhhhhhh I'd rather do something else" after a couple of weeks at it. Take for example you had a job, you thought you wanted to work in marketing so you do all the work to get the job, they hire you and all is good. You then spend three hours spinning in those nice chairs people have, a couple more playing pong then realise you'd rather be training people instead. You wouldn't be able to march down to the manager's office and say "I've changed my mind. Different job plox". Why should it be any different here?JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 00:14, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
A better wording would probably be: why did he apply for something he didnt want in the first place? Also, I cant help but take a slite bit of offence from your " People who like the chat, apply for (chat)moderator, like you. And people who are editors, like SD, apply for adminship." comment. If you remember, in the "old" days of two years ago I was an editor and applied for adminship myself (met half way with rollback rights) now, if I had the ability to actually add any useful information, I would and if spamming didnt have 8 editors leaping on them at once I'd focus on them.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 00:34, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
SD can correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't really apply for moderatorship for the chatrights, but he did it for the rollback (called patrol now). He's never been really interested in being a chatmod. He just 'got stuck' with the chatmod rights only being able to apply for moderator. If he had been able to apply in December 2011 for patroller, chatmoderator or the full moderator, he would very probably have applied for patroller, because that's giving him the powers he most uses. I've been talking with him a lot and I certainly would have advised the patroller position because I know he's not really one for the chat. Now people expect him to be in there and are taking it back on him. I think that's unfair. One of the reasons the position request have been overhauled is preventing this to happen. And with the new system it will. And it's true the request is fast, and I probably have something to do with that encouraging him, but it is permitted now. He's really enthousiastic and couldn't wait any longer. After the split we were left with almost no active and enthousistic people anymore, and he's one of only a few new users who came really through for us with a lot of (checking) edits. I feel this can be rewarded. I'd like people to think about this and maybe reconsider their vote. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:53, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
And if you read what I've said Jspoel, I believe (I may have made a mistake and said something without realising) that I didnt say "HE NEVER IN CHAT!" so, like I said, it's the length of time that matters to me, he hasnt been the rollback long enough for it really to matter in my eyes.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 00:59, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

(←)  Two-Bears only a week longer rollback, still he's getting approvals for admin. So plenty of people don't see that as a problem it seems. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 01:07, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure I havnt voted on Bears', so for me that's redundant. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 01:09, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Two Bears also has experience as a B/c on another wiki.Agent c 01:50, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Two Bears' a bureaucrat on King of the Hills, but I wouldn't put so much extra weight and experience on that. He just joined it on January the 5th this year.
Jspoel is right. There was some confusion on that, and in truth I just sought the rollback to facilitate the struggle against vandals and bad edits. Also, TwoBears and I had only a week's difference for mod, so why is that a problem for me only? -ΣΔLet's talk! 02:28, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Two Bears has also been here for a few extra months, and has spent a significant amount of time in chat - it could just be that some folks feel they know him better. Agent c 21:42, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

114's stance

Can I just point out one thing? I've discussed with Sigma about this on his talk page, and I feel that it should be made public considering Jspoel's stance on things. Edit count does not equate to experience as an admin. If I were a new user who made... I dunno, let's say three thousand mainspace edits within a week, does that mean that if I was given administrative rights that I would be a good admin? Sigma is a great guy and all, it just seems that he hasn't been here very long and he's just settled into his moderator position before applying for admin.

No matter how many edits you have, it can't prepare you for dealing with vandals, trolls, or getting involved in major community decisions and projects. I remember reading something that TrailerParkApe stated very recently, that when he became an administrator it was all very sudden. He was given a lot of power and didn't know how to use it. I'm just afraid that this could happen to Sigma, when there are plenty of other users who could become an administrator if they applied and be a lot better off with the rights. 114.77.77.5 00:39, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I may respond here, it just seems a little confusing to me. I've posted on most of the Wiki discussion Forums and I have, if anything, been too outspoken with my opinion. As for the question of power, there really is no chance of "power abuse" or having "too much power" with me. I can assure you that 100%.
I never feared power abuse, I just fear that once you get it you won't know what to do with it. Plenty of people are given new rights and don't even use them (that's not directed at you, it's just something I've seen happen). You've only settled into the Mod position in my opinion, and to suddenly get all these new responsibilities just makes me fear that you won't be ready for it. 02:31, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

TwoBears

  • Sigh* Well, it seems I have made a mistake as well, I've done all the same things that Sigma has and I'm still getting approval. It doesn't look like I'm up for the job either. I will consider removing my application over the next day.--Bunny2Bubble 03:27, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Don't. You have the advantage of being a member for a longer time and your interaction with others is good. That's what's making the difference I think. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 03:35, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
You and I aren't exactly alike. Despite the similarities you have been here longer, and as Js said, I will admit that your communication is more... thought over and less rash. -ΣΔLet's talk! 03:37, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Well what I'm seeing on this is that shouldn't make a difference. As for for being a bureaucrat on that Wiki, while it was only for about 15 days true, I banned over a dozen idle vandals, changed the theme, implemented achievements, added a chat, and created a lot of pages. That's what I was alluding to with the Wiki thing. That's not a major deal, that's fine. I just saw alot of, "Well Two-Bears did the same thing." If you don't agree with it, just vote no on my request.--Bunny2Bubble 04:30, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Quick response

Well, this has turned out surprisingly, in a bad sense. I know the majority, at least, of the people here mean well. And there have been some factors (3 applications at once, not being here for too long etc.) I'll be simple. I've read all the comments and responded to most of 'em. I'm going to stick this out and I want as much feedback as possible for future purposes.

I've genuinely spent a lot of time here. I'd honestly say an average of 2 hours per day on this wiki, between checking the Forums, editing, being in chat, and sometimes checking the blogs. I've seen a lot of vandalism and creation of "bad" pages. I feel that these administrator tools will be extremely effective for me. However, the decision is, like I said up to you. But this really means a lot to me and I must say I am quite sourly disappointed, and I hope you can reconsider, even for just a second. man... -ΣΔLet's talk! 02:12, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


114's stance, updated

From SigmaDelta's talk page:

Consider it a yes from Yes-Man. When I first became a chat moderator, I was a hardly experienced user but regardless I was given the position. I'd like to think I got pretty good at filling those shoes after a while. You might not be the most experienced user, and (no offence) there are many users I'd choose to become an admin over you, but those users weren't the ones who applied. Eventually you'll get the hang of it, because let's be fair, it's impossible to get good at something if you're not given a chance to try it, am I right? And besides, if you go look at the list of inactive administrators, there are some that have barely made 100 edits. If they can become an admin, you should have no trouble with it. 114.77.77.5 04:28, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Jspoel's thoughts

I'm scratching my head here. Despite being a member just over 3 months and some small shortcomings in communication skills I thought you had seen it was being outweighed by his passion, activity and learning progress. Halfway through December I already had done a lot of everyday edit checking since the split and was looking forward to get some relieve by new stars. Mystery, Two Bears and SigmaDelta were the ones who were becoming very active at the time, the latter 2 applied for moderator around Christmas. At the time I was even considering to advise SD to skip the moderator request and go straight for admin at the end of January. But I felt this inbetween step was better, learning his way a bit around some new tools. Since then he has continued being one of the most active editors here, made some mistakes, but learned from every one. He spent a lot of his 2-week Christmas vacation here, editing. That's to be admired (from the wiki's point of view). And he's still going strong. By the time Scarface rewrote the request policy SD had spent enough time here, and gained enough experience so apply for the admin status in my opinion. And I gave him that idea. Probably you're seeing something I don't then, perhaps that's happening in chat then. Personally, I think he knows how to communicate with new users now, learned by trail and error. Also, he may get some comparison disavantage from TB and Garoux' request. A little over 3 months member is a bit short, but I think in this case enough. If this vote were to pass, I foresee he will need some advice from me and Scarface, but that won't be such a problem. I know he will ask us if he's not sure, as he did the same thing when starting out here.

For your consideration. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 21:39, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

I still stand by everything I've said.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 00:03, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Gunny's comments

Here's what it's come down to for me: Yes, I see SD's relative youth showing through. It shows in his interactions with others, his comments on edits, and for all I know, in chat. I was wavering on my approval based on a very strict personal definition of leadership. I simply felt, from a leadership standpoint, that he needed more time to improve at those skills. But I just spent the better part of the day trying to figure out how to make some templates, with a bit of Ghost's help, and I realized that we have a clear and present need for the long term future. I don't know how good Jspoel and Clyde are at all the stuff that Porter and Ghost used to do here, but the stark fact is that the guys that built the architecture of this place are gone. We've got roughly 2 years or so until we will see the next Fallout game (my best wild ass guess), and we'd damn sure better have some people here who can build the templates and do at least some of the things Ghost and Porter are doing over there. SD has been editing his tail off, is eager and willing to learn and has shown, me at least, that he might be able to help fill some of those very large shoes eventually. I put him through a few tests this week to see how he'd respond. I'm comfortable with his knowledge and skills and believe, with mentoring, he will gain the experience and wisdom for dealing with others. I'm voting yes, mostly because I agree with Js about editing coming above all else, and because of the need I believe SD will help fill. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 03:55, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Gunny, I'll try my best to live up to expectations and satisfy the needs of this wiki. You will not regret this decision! -ΣΔLet's talk! 04:00, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hawk's Thoughts

First off, Sigma, I'll admit you are a good contributor, better than me. When I first saw your Moderator request, I said yes, because I saw all your contributions and thought he has put his work in and deserves it. After all the controversy over your application, and such I stuck with my vote and I had faith. Lately, I have come to know you a little better and I can see you're eager for Admin. I know everyone can be eager to become an Admin, but you went WAY too fast for my liking. First off, I don't think you have the personality for the job, and it will take a lot of work for you in my eyes to have the personality for it. I also don't like how you went around asking people or urging them to reconsider, as Bears said I find it intrusive as well. I feel you should take people's votes and improve on what they said. I'm not buying the part where people think you learned from vote process, because it takes time to improve. Cart's words also add a twist to things. If that was true, I think you should withdraw your application for the time being. In my opinion I don't think you should become an admin at this moment in time. Near future is a maybe. ToCxHawK 05:39, January 23, 2012 (UTC)\

Leon's Stance

+ I first voted neutral to see how you dealt with criticism and I changed it to yes when I saw you handling it fairly well. It's sort of made me wonder if I was too hasty though now seeing the messages you've been sending out and the confidence issues you've been having to deal with. I wouldn't really blame this on chat either because look at me... I've probably only been in chat a total of 6-7 times and yet I have still earned myself an excellent and almost spot-clean reputation. I absolutely think you have what it takes to be an Admin, but maybe you have been here too short of a time for the community to have gotten to know and trust you. Dragon Skål! 05:44, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

I will agree that Cartman has made me think, and I am more inclined to agree with Cart as I consider him a good editor, administrator and person in general. But I've already changed my vote once, and I don't see any point to go changing it anymore. 114.77.77.5 06:13, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I hate to seem so indecisive. :| My main issue though is it seems he needs constant backing to motivate him to go forward and that's not a good trait to have when running for an Admin position. I'm just not sure he's ready yet for the responsibilities and pressure he'd have to take on. That takes a steady mind and confidence. Dragon Skål! 06:22, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with this in principle - I think it was correct for him to address concerns raised by votes, and I felt no pressure to change my vote. That said, maybe a more appropriate forum could have been selected. Agent c 20:29, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

That was not my main point for changing my vote back to neutral. I just can't put my trust in someone who becomes so easily disillusioned and unmotivated. Dragon Skål! 20:41, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Reply and update

It has seemed that there's no way out. When faced with quite intense opposition I wasn't quite sure how to deal with it, but after receiving some posts from various users, I went ahead and tried to explain to people and clarify things. I honestly do not know how this could be seen as "harassing people to change their vote". I simply don't understand any of this any more. It really seems like the entire community is turning on me and a few prominent members who started out differently are turning the other way.

Request Withdrawal

After the recent posts and words from the community, I've decided to withdraw my request, since there is no hope any more. -ΣΔLet's talk! 19:42, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

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Has been locked from further comments and votes due to a withdrawn request from SigmaDelta54. Dragon Skål!

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