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Hello again folks. My name is Limmiegirl, and you may remember me from previous requests such as Moderator Request - Limmiegirl. In fact, I'll be recycling a lot of that previous request, in addition to updating what I've done during this in-between month.

I'm currently an elected moderator here in Nukapedia, and after being encouraged to by a few other users, I'd like now to request adminship. I've been a member since February 21st, 2011 (already a whole year!), despite being a lurker anon long long since before (back in the D&C days, actually). I have never been banned or sanctioned, and despite a few frictions, never been on bad terms for long with anybody. At the time of writing, I have exactly 1.186 article edits, plus 36 file and 10 template edits, adding up to 1.232 mainspace edits. I've been (the very first to be :P ) granted patrollership status last January 26th by Kingclyde, and elected moderator last February 9th.

Apart from many random corrections of overlinking, double redirects, and non-notable notes/loot, I've helped kickstart the Bug Verification Project. When I started bug sections were notoriously messy, inconsistent, wrong or outright vandalized; by now, while there's still lots work to be done it's not nearly as common to stumble upon problematic bug sections. Of course, I cannot claim credit for that as it was and still is a community drive with many users helping out. But I do think I was a strong influence in it, first by working almost by myself, then encouraging volunteers to join, helping clarifying doubts and making the rules well-known. After I felt the Bug Project had enough momentum to continue on its own, I've recently moved my focus to the Fallout 3 Locations Project (most my contributions start at M).

So what would I bring to the table as an administrator? Apart from a guarantee of fulfilling the job prescriptions and zealously abiding to and enforcing the rules, I will also strive to bring the basic wiki fundamentals of assuming good faith, encouraging bold editing and learn by doing, and offering help back to the foreground.

Edit count

Type of edits Edit count
Total 5,759
Article 2,153
Talk 25
User 257
User talk 1,038
Fallout Wiki 68
Fallout Wiki talk 3
File 284
File talk 0
Template 108
Template talk 0
Category 8
Category talk 0
User blog 65
User blog comment 882
Blog 0
Blog talk 0

About me

Although I'll be the first to say I have some pretty strong opinions and am not shy to defend them, I always try to be polite, respectful, and clear, not taking things personally and upholding the wiki directive of Assuming Good Faith. I short, I argue, but don't fight. Also, I'm always glad to help when asked, and whenever I revert somebody's edit I'll explain either in the edit summary, or leave a note on their talkpage (in fact, I'm pretty big on explaining edits on the summary). Finally, while I'm not above making mistakes (specially since I believe in being bold when editing), I always try to learn from them, and always make sure the same won't happen twice. In fact, I'm not at all afraid to mercilessly track down and revert my own mistakes once I'm aware of them.

Notes

While probing around I've received (surprisingly) mostly positive feedback. However three worries have been brought up, and I'd like to preemptively address them here:

"You've only become moderator early this month. Don't you think it's a bit too soon to request adminship as well? Moving on so quickly shows lack of commitment."

It is true that my moderatorship request came less than 20 days ago. However, I don't see it as moving on. Just like my being granted chat-moderation rights didn't interfere with my patroller and editing duties (as evidentiated by my contributions' steady rise), the administrative duties will not interfere with the previous ones. I'll still be around chat making sure things stay orderly, I'll still patrol recent edits in search of mistakes and vandalism, and I'll still edit and contribute to my projects. But also in addition to that I'll be banning vandals and trolls, and protecting pages directly, moderating blog comments, and generally participating in the wiki's administrative affairs.

"Your edit count is barely above the minimum required"

My current mainspace edit count is 1.232 edits, or 232 edits above the minimum. But I believe the looking at the edit count alone as a measure of the contributions (or edit-count myopia as I call it) of a user is both misleading and outright wrong. As anybody who has any experience with wikis can attest to, it's ridiculously easy milk edits by say correcting typos and other minor edits, and although they certainly have their worth, they marginally add very little to the wiki. Adding content on the other hand, takes effort, time, and yield far less edits per time spent, and yet that's the kind of work wikis need most.

To verify a bug, for instance, you have to set up your game in the manner closest to the one described, and then repeat the triggers again and again, and then refer to the GECK for debugging. To properly write or rewrite a location's article, you have to specifically set out to explore the area in question, take notes as you do so, talk with NPC, read terminals and etc to gather backstories and background information, search in the GECK for notable features, spawn points and enemy types, taking pictures, and then of course compile the final version of the article. Even to add simple things such as objects' base IDs can take a surprising amount of time to check in the GECK. The time spent doing that kind of work would generate, with no exaggeration, three or four times more edits if it were spent on more menial tasks.

"You lack experience"

That's partially true as well. I have only been actively involved in the wiki's affairs for the last five months or so. However, I've been following the wiki for a long time, and know pretty, and at any rate I've certainly picked up the slack lately, and now I can safely say I know about pretty much all the major happenings around, administrative affairs and otherwise. Also, since the split almost all the experienced staffers have left us, either partially or completely, in favor of the Vault, draining us of experienced administrators. Had the split never happened, I probably certainly wouldn't be making this request at this time. But given that it has happened, and how undermined it has left us, I do believe I could make a very positive addition to the staff. While I admittedly am still not very knowledgeable of templates and such, I am making an active effort to learn. I also have played and own every Fallout game (I played FOBOS, but do not own it), and as a modder I'm quite comfortable with the GECK. So at least as far as content goes, I have more than enough qualifications to assume this position.


Conclusion

Well, that's all I could to tooth my own horn :) Now please make sure to vote fairly and honestly if you feel I'm the right girl for this job, if I'm not, or if you really have no idea either way. If you do, then thank you so much for the trust, and please take my word I won't disappoint. If you don't, that's perfectly okay and I promise I won't bear grudges, but please explain why so I can correct it in the future. Thanks for reading! Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 20:11, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Poll

Poll finished on 8:11 pm March 4, 2012.
Poll
  • A consensus must be reached by voting before any action is taken.
  • You can vote by placing one of the following lines in the appropriate section:
    • Use # {{yes}} ~~~ if you support the proposal.
    • Use # {{no}} ~~~ if you are against the proposal.
    • Use # {{neutral}} ~~~ if you wish to abstain.
  • Please do not edit other people's votes.
  • yesIcon check CJIRU Nunquam Nonparati CJIRU 20:46, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check TheJackoNerd 20:50, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Agent c 22:43, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Limmie has the comportment and maturity that I prefer to see in a leadership position such as Administrator. With Leon leaving soon, we'll need another edit-centric Admin in his place. I approve. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 00:22, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Of course! User:DavidTheWise33 01:23, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • noIcon cross Reasons already posted by others as noted & there is no need for another admin at this time. CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 01:38, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Paladin117 01:40, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check I disagree, SaintPain. With Leon on the inactive list, someone needs to fill his place. Limmie is like my mentor/consultant if you will for this wiki. If I ever have a question about anything, I know I can ask her. You have my full support, Limmie. Bacon-Man Talk to me goose!
  • yesIcon check Seems like a good choice to me. UserGreatMaraMessage 03:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Given that Leon won't be here and from what I have gathered from Zerg, Limmie seems to be a perfect admin. EBTalk 03:47, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check She has made alot of great contributions to the bug verification pages and is constantly editing.AaaaaTheNemesisx 04:08, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 04:47, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check KnowledgeProspector Competent editor. Also very active, editing like there's no tomorrow. I approve. :)
  • yesIcon check Must vote yes, its the will of the HypnoToad --RAMRam.ShyGuy 12:40, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check I had to think about this one for awhile. I have come to the conclusion that all of the good you have done for this wiki outweighs your time spent here and the lack of article edits. Just keep up the good work and keep improving yourself. ;) Dragon Skål!
  • yesIcon check We need more admins here. You got your actions proven. Fo2 M72 Gauss Rifle "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
  • yesIcon check I guess you should be an admin, considering the work on the Bug Verification project. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 14:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Currently I think we need more admins. Just take a look at the amount who are now inactive compared to those who are active. From what I've seen Limmie is a professional and friendly user who can be approached easily. Viel Glueck! The Australian Kiwi 15:59, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Mhmmm NextTattoo"Even In Death May You Be Triumphant" 16:05, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check I've thought about this a little bit more than I usually do. What I did is I weighed the pros and cons. Pros - Active, friendly, helpful, makes quality edits, open-minded. Cons - Edit count is not too impressive, moderator request less than a month ago, only became very edit-active relatively recently. The result is the pros outweighed the cons, and thus my vote. I try to picture you as an admin, and I believe you would do just fine. I don't think gender should play a role really, but it's always good to have... balance. -ΣΔLet's talk! 19:56, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Viel glück, Limmie! (I hope that's correct) -- Almighty Higgey (talk page) 00:16, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check--m.haines 16:17, February 28, 2012 (UTC)all ways around editing no reason why not we need as much staff as possible because if past trends continue Bethesda will be announcing a new game soon
  • yesIcon check I think Limmiegirl would be a good addition to the admin team.--Ryker6120:50, February 28, 2012 (UTC)~12:47pm 2/28/2012 "For the struggle of survival is a war without end!"
  • yesIcon check I have talked with limmiergirl in the chat and think she will make a great admin User:Denis517 The Enclave shall prevail! 23:43, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • yesIcon check Yea,sure User:Fredbighed
  • yesIcon check --FNV DeatclawAlpha DeathclawAlpha 19:14, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • SaintPain: No need for more admins? As long as I've been here whether or not admins were needed has not been a necessity. And as it is there are still occassionally gaps where no one with admin rights is online. If it helps reduce the gaps then I don't see a problem. UserGreatMaraMessage 03:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
Not to mention, if we look at the previous list of admins back when we where known as the Vault prior to the split it was huge and we all managed then, we had a large community and we still do today, so quite frankly the more admins the better.AaaaaTheNemesisx 04:09, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Why are comments aimed at me ? ~ I did not offer any original statment that She he or it spoke aganist the nominatiation. I only said I agree with the opinions that were stated before, the ones "she" argued against with weak counterpoints.. "She made the point that it is to soon and more original contributions should be made on her own part..

Just pointing out spelling and grammer errors dose not make a better editor. Maybe "She" could contribute more as an honest editor and not just repost other images or nit pick.

Admins should be part of the community. That is my point. It should not be a popularity contest.

Jill could be Bill & Jack a Jenny but undersexed teens will stroke to any ~


P.S. Thank me, for I am the one who made you an Admin!

  • You do NOT deserve it but as I speak against your power grab ~ You will get IT.

Have fun, I know you will not play nice CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here.


Just pointing out spelling and grammer errors dose not make a better editor. Maybe "She" could contribute more as an honest editor and not just repost other images or nit pick.

Admins should be part of the community. That is my point. It should not be a popularity contest.

— SaintPain

She brought up these points to counter them, which I think she did effectively. If you think otherwise you've either failed to read them properly (which in no way would surprised me) or you've just decided to belligerently ignore them, anyway. Note that I'm in no way trying to call your no vote unjustified, just countering what you put up here.

As far as a "popularity contest", it isn't. The new administrators have been elected due to necessity, not popularity, and Limmie I think does fill the shoes of an administrator quite nicely, even if it's a tad early in my opinion. Hell, if anyone got in on sheer popularity, it was me.

Jill could be Bill & Jack a Jenny but undersexed teens will stroke to any ~

— SaintPain

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P.S. Thank me, for I am the one who made you an Admin!

  • You do NOT deserve it but as I speak against your power grab ~ You will get IT.
— SaintPain

Even though you might not agree with it, I would advise you not to call it a "power grab". It implies that making her admin would have a lot larger consequences than they actually have.

That's about it, I felt as if I needed to clarify that. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

A bit insulting, don't you think, calling someone a power grabber and the bill and jack and jenny sentence is realy uneeded here.AaaaaTheNemesisx 06:51, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I said my bit & I know the weight of each word.. I know this place, I know for a FACT by my every hint of her incompetence, I make her an Admin & as such, I challenge her Be more than the some of all fears! Prove my lack of faith wrong!

It is her less than experience, Less than time in service, LESS THAN NEED BE!, That I oppose.

  • You already made your choice it is for HER to live up to it.

Crown her Goddess of the ban hammer! Loose your soul by day by day as you fail to see how you do NOT serve this sight near you as much as you sell out to stay in the Admin/Mod club while the actual number of non promoted voters looses their individual voice.

  • Big Government is always selfish government that only seeks to perpetuate itself.

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here. 09:27, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


Okay, listen. All of you. Saint, if you want to vote no, vote no. It's your opinion, and we as a community are here to respect it regardless of if we agree with it. But please don't make a big deal out of it, there are enough issues on the wiki to worry about than starting an argument over a vote. That goes for the rest of you. If SaintPain wants to vote no, we aren't to scrutinise him for it. He's a human with an opinion just like the rest of us, and if he doesn't want any more admins then he has the right to say so. Let's all get over this and stop what I fear will soon lead to a large Wiki-Wide argument. Any further comments on the matter can be considered flamebaiting and will be dealt with accordingly. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 10:48, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody is scrutinising him Yessie, Great Mara mearly said that we do need more admins and i added onto what he said, things went from hell after that, just felt like clarefying that.AaaaaTheNemesisx 10:55, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
No worries, Nem. I wasn't referring to anyone is specific, I just didn't want a repeat of what happened on Kingclyde's bureaucrat vote. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 01:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


All I'll say about this is that you're making some pretty nasty assumptions about somebody you know nothing about, and without nothing to back them up apart from vague insinuations and insults. And seriously, "she", She he or it and Jill could be Bill? It's not as clever as you think it is, and it's easier to respect a direct, honest accusation than feeble, insinuative affronts. The "no girls in the internet" routine is pretty childish and pathetic as it is, and coupled with your presumption of everybody else in here being undersexed, ironically enough tells more about yourself than it does about me or them.

PS: I'm nothing disputing your vote, as that 's completely your prerogative. But it's sad that you chose to justify it in such a sad way when you could have been constructive, or at least direct. Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 12:45, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I find Gauzz's comment on his vote inappropriate if I am honest. But anyway, I have read through a lot of the above and I think it is unfair to treat Limmie the way she has been treated by some people. Do not pre-judge her, she has put a lot of effort in to the Wiki and is in chat daily so she has more than shown her dedication. Plus, in a rather male-dominated group (not being feminist or anything here but it really is a male-dominated administration) I think it would be cool to have a girl in higher power for a change! Good luck Limmie ^_^ NextTattoo"Even In Death May You Be Triumphant" 16:04, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, Nicolle. Gauzz needs to learn to vote fairly regardless of gender. I might need to have a talk with him about his attitude to female users, which I have noticed long before this poll has been less than respectful. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 01:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well Gauzz did seem to highlight one of SaintPain's main reasons for voting no. I find it sad (and somewhat pathetic) that female users for the most part are constantly hit on, questioned about there gender, and ether harassed because there female or treated better by sad losers who seem to think that a chick (who nine times out of ten lives hundreds of miles away from them) will sleep with them if they treat them better than if said user was male. Limmie's gender should have never been brought up as an issue in terms of how well she'd be as an admin however it does bring up issues about how women are treated, not just on this site but on the internet as a whole. It really drives the "gamers are pathetic sexless virgins" stereotype especialy when the top of Limmie's talk page has some loser hitting on her. The saddest thing about SainPain's Jake and Jill joke is that its true. --RAMRam.ShyGuy 20:13, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

That comment at the top of her talk-page cracked me the hell up. xD Some people... Dragon Skål! 20:15, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
LOL! I didn't even realise he was being serious until the latter parts. -ΣΔLet's talk! 20:16, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I..... I am almost speechless. I can't believe some of the absolute crap that has infiltrated this page. I thought we were better than this. There are certain users here who really need to take a good look at themselves as I thought we were better than this. Doesnt each fallout game show people of both genders and humans of all races getting above all this sort of crap and recognising folks for the work they do? This is a series that in one game had 2 females in a chief of state role. I am just shocked, and it doesnt end with the sexist crap but if I go on about the other stuff I'm going to say something I think we'll all regret. Agent c 22:31, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Nicolle... Why contradict yourself? First you say that Gauzz's comment is innapropriate, then you say 'oh itd beh kewl to have girlz adminz'. Stick to one point and not both! --89.176.148.188 18:44, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Who, me?

I can partially understand where Saint is coming from. (Although his wording is a little off in my opinion.) I agree that she would make the popular vote and I have come to understand that quite a few people lately have been complaining about the Administration here and how many mods/chat/mods/Admins we currently have and are building up. So yeah, I agree that he has a legitimate opinion and it should be respected. (Although it was wrong for him to state that this is a power grab. I'm sorry Saint, but you cannot know her motivation and aspirations. Edit: Ah, and I missed that little joke of yours. I'm going to ask you not to ever insult someone like that again. Whether she is a girl or a guy has no right to be questioned on a wiki for information. Leave her be on that subject.) Anyways, I agree with Yessie that this doesn't need to become a fight. Let everyone state their opinions in a civil manner. Dragon Skål! 12:42, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but where is this insult? Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 16:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Jill could be Bill & Jack a Jenny but undersexed teens will stroke to any

— SaintPain
Dragon Skål! 16:29, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I thought you were addressing, but by your tone I thought I had missed something more serious. Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 16:23, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Like Leon, I can also understand where Saint is coming from and he shouldn't receive any negative attention at all for his thoughts/views on this. I agree that since Limmie is a chat regular and female, there may be more of a popularity aspect than we'd like. However, I don't think any of those factors should really play a big role here, and that we should look at this as objectively as possible. We ought to look at her edits in general, activity, and mannerism. And about that "joke" (quoted above) it actually took me a second to understand. I don't really feel that's appropriate and it is completely unnecessary. -ΣΔLet's talk! 19:51, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Result

Congratulations, Limmiegirl, you've just become our newest administrator!

And I understand there is some concern about the number of admins, but as I see it, there's still some room left after this request. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:35, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

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