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|location =[[Gomorrah]] |
|location =[[Gomorrah]] |
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|given by =[[Joana]]<br />[[Carlitos Wayne|Carlitos]] |
|given by =[[Joana]]<br />[[Carlitos Wayne|Carlitos]] |
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− | |faction =[[The Strip]] |
+ | |faction =[[New Vegas Strip|The Strip]] |
− | |reward =1000 [[Bottle cap (Fallout: New Vegas)|caps]]<br>200 [[Experience |
+ | |reward =1000 [[Bottle cap (Fallout: New Vegas)|caps]]<br />200 [[Experience Points|XP]] |
|previous =''[[Playing on the Old Joana]]'' |
|previous =''[[Playing on the Old Joana]]'' |
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|leads to =[[How Little We Know]] |
|leads to =[[How Little We Know]] |
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+ | {{Quotation|There's too much shit and despair at [[Gomorrah]] already. I don't want [[Cachino|anybody]] making it worse for [[Joana|Jo]]... for the girls, you know?|[[Carlitos]]}}[[File:FNV Carlitos MakingItWorse.ogg|noicon|135px|center]] |
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'''Bye Bye Love''' is a [[Fallout: New Vegas quests#Side quests|side quest]] in ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]''. |
'''Bye Bye Love''' is a [[Fallout: New Vegas quests#Side quests|side quest]] in ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]''. |
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{{chart|data1|colspan=14|data1=Talk to Joana and Carlitos, respectively from the previous step, to finalize their escape plans.|class=va-chart-body}} |
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|data1=Survive the ambush with Carlitos and Joana alive. |
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{{chart|data1|colspan=14|data1=Talk to Joana.|class=va-chart-body}} |
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− | {{chart|reward1|colspan=14|reward1=Reward: 1000 [[Bottle cap (Fallout: New Vegas)|caps]]<br>200 [[Experience |
+ | {{chart|reward1|colspan=14|reward1=Reward: 1000 [[Bottle cap (Fallout: New Vegas)|caps]]<br />200 [[Experience Points|XP]]|class=va-chart-reward}} |
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{{chart|quest|colspan=14|quest=Leads to: [[How Little We Know]]|class=va-chart-quest}} |
{{chart|quest|colspan=14|quest=Leads to: [[How Little We Know]]|class=va-chart-quest}} |
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==Detailed walkthrough== |
==Detailed walkthrough== |
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− | '''NOTE:''' There is no way to get this quest without passing at least a |
+ | '''NOTE:''' There is no way to get this quest without passing at least a 75 [[Speech]] check or a 50 [[Medicine]] check. |
− | The quest can be triggered by speaking to [[Joana]] or [[Carlitos Wayne|Carlitos]], who reside in the Gomorrah casino and hotel (in the courtyard) and the [[Vault 21]] hotel (in the mess hall), respectively. To activate the quest with Joana, the player must pass a [[Medicine]] (50) |
+ | The quest can be triggered by speaking to [[Joana]] or [[Carlitos Wayne|Carlitos]], who reside in the Gomorrah casino and hotel (in the courtyard) and the [[Vault 21]] hotel (in the mess hall), respectively. To activate the quest with Joana, the player must pass a [[Medicine]] (50) and [[Speech]] (75) to initiate dialog that will eventually have Joana talk about [[Cachino]] and Carlitos. She will offer the player 200 caps or sexual services for taking the quest, (the second option is only available if your character is male, or a female with the [[Cherchez La Femme]] perk). If the player can't meet either check, they can talk to Carlitos, who only needs a [[Speech]] (50) to find out about why he left the Omertas and Joana. Carlitos will give the player 200 caps upon accepting the offer to help him and another 200 upon completion. |
− | The first part of the quest involves ferrying messages between Carlitos and Joana. After some running back and forth, the player can agree to help Joana and two of her fellow prostitutes escape to Freeside to join Carlitos; the agreement being to wait until between 12AM and dawn, Gomorrah's busiest hours, before attempting the escape. Carlitos advises the player to get some backup before attempting the escape, as Carlitos knows two guns-for-hire that owe him a favor. This gives the player the option to recruit [[Big Beard]] and [[Little Beard]], who are located in the [[Atomic Wrangler |
+ | The first part of the quest involves ferrying messages between Carlitos and Joana. After some running back and forth, the player can agree to help Joana and two of her fellow prostitutes escape to Freeside to join Carlitos; the agreement being to wait until between 12AM and dawn, Gomorrah's busiest hours, before attempting the escape. Carlitos advises the player to get some backup before attempting the escape, as Carlitos knows two guns-for-hire that owe him a favor. This gives the player the option to recruit [[Big Beard]] and [[Little Beard]], who are located in the [[Atomic Wrangler casino]]. Once the player is ready, they need only speak to Joana, who will then change outfits and walk to the casino floor where the other [[Disguised hooker|two prostitutes]] are waiting. Talking to Joana once she arrives causes all three to run to the meeting point in Freeside, which is down the first side street outside the Strip gate. |
− | Once the |
+ | Once the player character meets up with the hired guns and Carlitos, four Omerta thugs will ambush the group. The player can either go into combat with them, or talk them into leaving with one of three checks; [[Strength]] (8, 9), Speech (75, 85) or Barter (85 with 500 or 75 with 1000 caps). Carlitos and Joana must survive the confrontation or else the quest will fail. If successful, Carlitos will thank the player and ask if there is a way to repay the kindness. From here you have a choice between receiving 200 caps or accepting a simple thanks. Alternatively, if you talked to Carlitos first and you have a high enough [[Barter]] skill (65), you can get another 400 caps on top of the 200 at the start. |
From here Joana will thank the Courier and mention a sinister plot she's heard about from Cachino about the Omertas. The [[How Little We Know]] quest will initiate if you haven't found this quest already. |
From here Joana will thank the Courier and mention a sinister plot she's heard about from Cachino about the Omertas. The [[How Little We Know]] quest will initiate if you haven't found this quest already. |
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{{Quest stage table |
{{Quest stage table |
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==Notes== |
==Notes== |
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* Completing [[How Little We Know]] will instantly fail this quest regardless of its resolution. |
* Completing [[How Little We Know]] will instantly fail this quest regardless of its resolution. |
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− | * Despite the sense of urgency once you've reached Freeside with the girls you don't have to follow them to Carlitos. |
+ | * Despite the sense of urgency once you've reached Freeside with the girls, you don't have to follow them to Carlitos. |
− | * It is unknown where Carlitos and Joana end up after you've finished the quest and |
+ | * It is unknown where Carlitos and Joana end up after you've finished the quest and they stayed alive, although they do have dialogue proposing that you can meet them afterward. Also, if you quickly talk to Joana or Carlitos after you deal with the Gomorrah thugs or if you re-enable and move her to you Joana will say "I am happy to see you again. Carlitos and I have been living here since our escape". |
* Killing any Omerta thugs might cause you to be unable to complete this quest, since Joana might turn hostile to you (it is possible to take out all the guards and still able to continue this quest). |
* Killing any Omerta thugs might cause you to be unable to complete this quest, since Joana might turn hostile to you (it is possible to take out all the guards and still able to continue this quest). |
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− | *The wait function can't be used in the |
+ | *The wait function can't be used in the Gomorrah's main lobby while waiting on Joana to approach the two disguised hookers. |
* If you use the Wait function while Joana is waiting with the other girls, the mission will fail. |
* If you use the Wait function while Joana is waiting with the other girls, the mission will fail. |
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** Even if they have been escorted to Carlitos, waiting will still make this quest fail. |
** Even if they have been escorted to Carlitos, waiting will still make this quest fail. |
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==Behind the scenes== |
==Behind the scenes== |
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− | + | The name of the quest is a reference to The Everly Brother's song [[wikipedia:Bye Bye Love|Bye Bye Love]]. |
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==Bugs== |
==Bugs== |
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** To fix this on PC, use the following console commands: For Carlitos: {{console|prid 0011f87a}}, {{console|resurrect}}, {{console|enable}}. For Joana {{console|prid 112471}}, {{console|enable}}, {{console|moveto player}} while standing in the courtyard. |
** To fix this on PC, use the following console commands: For Carlitos: {{console|prid 0011f87a}}, {{console|resurrect}}, {{console|enable}}. For Joana {{console|prid 112471}}, {{console|enable}}, {{console|moveto player}} while standing in the courtyard. |
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** The downside of this method is that once you have to escort her and the disguised hookers out of Gomorrah, they may not move. A solution to this is to start combat with Joana, leave Gomorrah, then go back in and restart dialogue with her. After that, exit Gomorrah, enter Freeside, and Joana and the disguised hookers should appear next to you resuming the quest. |
** The downside of this method is that once you have to escort her and the disguised hookers out of Gomorrah, they may not move. A solution to this is to start combat with Joana, leave Gomorrah, then go back in and restart dialogue with her. After that, exit Gomorrah, enter Freeside, and Joana and the disguised hookers should appear next to you resuming the quest. |
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+ | ** So far there isn't a way to fix this on consoles, as there are no console commands, except by reloading another previous save, but the bug might repeat. |
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* {{Platforms|xbox360}} After running back and forth a few times the dialogue option to get Joana to run away might fail to appear, you'll need to have a high enough speech skill to convince her. {{Verify|verified}} |
* {{Platforms|xbox360}} After running back and forth a few times the dialogue option to get Joana to run away might fail to appear, you'll need to have a high enough speech skill to convince her. {{Verify|verified}} |
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− | * {{Platforms|pc|ps3}} When leading Joana and the disguised hookers outside the gate to Freeside, the [[ |
+ | * {{Platforms|pc|ps3}} When leading Joana and the disguised hookers outside the gate to Freeside, the [[securitron]]s posted outside the gate can become hostile, attacking all included people. Killing them gives infamy for the strip but letting them kill Joana fails the quest. {{Verify|verified}} |
* {{Platforms|pc}} When Joana and the disguised hookers are waiting in the Gomorrah lobby the game can crash when exiting the strip, avoid this by allowing all four of them to leave first. {{Verify|verified}} |
* {{Platforms|pc}} When Joana and the disguised hookers are waiting in the Gomorrah lobby the game can crash when exiting the strip, avoid this by allowing all four of them to leave first. {{Verify|verified}} |
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* {{Platforms|ps3|xbox360}} After escorting Joana and the disguised hookers to Freeside; Carlitos might not appear making the quest un-completable when Joana, the disguised hookers, and the Omerta thugs stand around and do nothing. Killing the Omerta thugs won't work since Joana and the disguised hookers still need Carlitos to appear to advance the quest dialogue. Reloading the auto-save from when you entered [[Freeside]] can fix this. {{Verify|verified}} |
* {{Platforms|ps3|xbox360}} After escorting Joana and the disguised hookers to Freeside; Carlitos might not appear making the quest un-completable when Joana, the disguised hookers, and the Omerta thugs stand around and do nothing. Killing the Omerta thugs won't work since Joana and the disguised hookers still need Carlitos to appear to advance the quest dialogue. Reloading the auto-save from when you entered [[Freeside]] can fix this. {{Verify|verified}} |
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[[ru: Прощай, любовь]] |
[[ru: Прощай, любовь]] |
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Revision as of 00:55, 16 August 2014
Bye Bye Love is a side quest in Fallout: New Vegas.
Quick walkthrough
Side Quest: Bye Bye Love | |||||||||||||
Talk to Joana with a medicine check or speech check, alternatively talk to Carlitos with a speech check. | |||||||||||||
Talk to Joana and Carlitos, respectively from the previous step, to finalize their escape plans. | |||||||||||||
(Optional) Find the two guns-for-hire that owe Carlitos a favor to help in the escape. | |||||||||||||
Meet up with Joana between 12AM and dawn in the casino. | |||||||||||||
Travel to Freeside with Carlitos and Joana. | |||||||||||||
Survive the ambush with Carlitos and Joana alive. | Dissuade the assailants with a strength check, speech check or barter check. | ||||||||||||
Talk to Carlitos. | |||||||||||||
Talk to Joana. | |||||||||||||
Reward: 1000 caps 200 XP | |||||||||||||
Leads to: How Little We Know | |||||||||||||
Detailed walkthrough
NOTE: There is no way to get this quest without passing at least a 75 Speech check or a 50 Medicine check.
The quest can be triggered by speaking to Joana or Carlitos, who reside in the Gomorrah casino and hotel (in the courtyard) and the Vault 21 hotel (in the mess hall), respectively. To activate the quest with Joana, the player must pass a Medicine (50) and Speech (75) to initiate dialog that will eventually have Joana talk about Cachino and Carlitos. She will offer the player 200 caps or sexual services for taking the quest, (the second option is only available if your character is male, or a female with the Cherchez La Femme perk). If the player can't meet either check, they can talk to Carlitos, who only needs a Speech (50) to find out about why he left the Omertas and Joana. Carlitos will give the player 200 caps upon accepting the offer to help him and another 200 upon completion.
The first part of the quest involves ferrying messages between Carlitos and Joana. After some running back and forth, the player can agree to help Joana and two of her fellow prostitutes escape to Freeside to join Carlitos; the agreement being to wait until between 12AM and dawn, Gomorrah's busiest hours, before attempting the escape. Carlitos advises the player to get some backup before attempting the escape, as Carlitos knows two guns-for-hire that owe him a favor. This gives the player the option to recruit Big Beard and Little Beard, who are located in the Atomic Wrangler casino. Once the player is ready, they need only speak to Joana, who will then change outfits and walk to the casino floor where the other two prostitutes are waiting. Talking to Joana once she arrives causes all three to run to the meeting point in Freeside, which is down the first side street outside the Strip gate.
Once the player character meets up with the hired guns and Carlitos, four Omerta thugs will ambush the group. The player can either go into combat with them, or talk them into leaving with one of three checks; Strength (8, 9), Speech (75, 85) or Barter (85 with 500 or 75 with 1000 caps). Carlitos and Joana must survive the confrontation or else the quest will fail. If successful, Carlitos will thank the player and ask if there is a way to repay the kindness. From here you have a choice between receiving 200 caps or accepting a simple thanks. Alternatively, if you talked to Carlitos first and you have a high enough Barter skill (65), you can get another 400 caps on top of the 200 at the start.
From here Joana will thank the Courier and mention a sinister plot she's heard about from Cachino about the Omertas. The How Little We Know quest will initiate if you haven't found this quest already.
Quest stages
Notes
- Completing How Little We Know will instantly fail this quest regardless of its resolution.
- Despite the sense of urgency once you've reached Freeside with the girls, you don't have to follow them to Carlitos.
- It is unknown where Carlitos and Joana end up after you've finished the quest and they stayed alive, although they do have dialogue proposing that you can meet them afterward. Also, if you quickly talk to Joana or Carlitos after you deal with the Gomorrah thugs or if you re-enable and move her to you Joana will say "I am happy to see you again. Carlitos and I have been living here since our escape".
- Killing any Omerta thugs might cause you to be unable to complete this quest, since Joana might turn hostile to you (it is possible to take out all the guards and still able to continue this quest).
- The wait function can't be used in the Gomorrah's main lobby while waiting on Joana to approach the two disguised hookers.
- If you use the Wait function while Joana is waiting with the other girls, the mission will fail.
- Even if they have been escorted to Carlitos, waiting will still make this quest fail.
Behind the scenes
The name of the quest is a reference to The Everly Brother's song Bye Bye Love.
Bugs
- To fix this on PC, use the following console commands: For Carlitos: prid 0011f87a, resurrect, enable. For Joana prid 112471, enable, moveto player while standing in the courtyard.
- The downside of this method is that once you have to escort her and the disguised hookers out of Gomorrah, they may not move. A solution to this is to start combat with Joana, leave Gomorrah, then go back in and restart dialogue with her. After that, exit Gomorrah, enter Freeside, and Joana and the disguised hookers should appear next to you resuming the quest.
- So far there isn't a way to fix this on consoles, as there are no console commands, except by reloading another previous save, but the bug might repeat.
Carlitos and Joana won't appear in the game, if you have advanced far enough in the quest How Little We Know even after you started conversation with both, making the quest impossible to complete. [verified]
- After running back and forth a few times the dialogue option to get Joana to run away might fail to appear, you'll need to have a high enough speech skill to convince her. [verified]
- securitrons posted outside the gate can become hostile, attacking all included people. Killing them gives infamy for the strip but letting them kill Joana fails the quest. [verified] When leading Joana and the disguised hookers outside the gate to Freeside, the
- When Joana and the disguised hookers are waiting in the Gomorrah lobby the game can crash when exiting the strip, avoid this by allowing all four of them to leave first. [verified]
- Freeside can fix this. [verified] After escorting Joana and the disguised hookers to Freeside; Carlitos might not appear making the quest un-completable when Joana, the disguised hookers, and the Omerta thugs stand around and do nothing. Killing the Omerta thugs won't work since Joana and the disguised hookers still need Carlitos to appear to advance the quest dialogue. Reloading the auto-save from when you entered
- Once the group reaches Freeside, the thugs that are supposed to interrupt the escape, sometimes won't appear. This can be bypassed by using the console command "setstage 00110a65 90" and talking first to Carlitos once (before or after the command), then to Joana. [verified]
- If the player fast travels to The Strip North Gate once leaving the Gomorrah Casino as opposed to actually escorting Joana and the disguised hookers, one or both of the hookers can glitch into the gate itself. This does not actually affect the quest as it's completed if Joana alone survives. [verified]
- When escorting Joana and the disguised hookers past the Securitrons on the Freeside end of the gate to and from the strip, the game may suddenly crash, leading to a black screen before being booted to the Playstation Home screen as if you had quit the game. [verified]