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Big Trouble in Big Town
Red in her cell
Big Trouble in Big Town
Skulk up toward German Town, near the police station. They always come from that direction.”— Dusty when asked where the Super Mutants come from
|Side Quest: Big Trouble in Big Town|
|Speak to Sticky at Little Lamplight. Head to Big town, with or without Sticky.||Locate Big Town.||Speak to Red at Germantown.|
|Speak to the residents of Big Town about their captured friends.|
|Free Red and Shorty (optional) from Germantown Police HQ.|
|Red survives the escape.||Red and Shorty survive the escape.||Neither Red nor Shorty survive the escape.|
|Speak to Red.||Speak to Pappy.|
|Reward: 300 XP, 300 or 500 caps and good Karma.||Reward: 200 caps.|
|Super mutants attack.|
|Repel the attack. (optional) Use Science to reprogram the town's robots; use Explosives to show the residents how to plant mines; use Sneak to teach the residents to hide; or use Small Guns to train the residents to shoot.||Ignore the attack.|
|Reward: Healing services (Red), repair services (Pappy) and medical supplies.|
Big Town residents have been harassed by super mutants, who capture residents and have recently taken them to Germantown Police HQ, including Red, the town doctor. The quest can be started by speaking with any of the town's residents, speaking with Sticky in Little Lamplight, or if the player talks to Red in Germantown Police HQ.
Germantown Police HQ has two possible entrances: the first is using the higher door on the north side. If the player has 100 lockpick, the lower door on the west side may also be entered, and puts them very close to Red's location. If the former is chosen, some hallways of super mutants and the occasional trap need to be traversed.
Red is located in a jail cell on the ground floor. The cell door can either be picked, opened with a terminal (accessible with a holotape located upstairs) or opened with the Germantown jailors key, found on the toughest super mutant in the station. Beware, as with Broken Steel installed, the toughest super mutant in the station is an overlord armed with a tri-beam laser rifle or a Gatling laser. When spoken to, Red thanks the player for rescuing her, granting good Karma and tells the player about her friend Shorty, in the kitchen downstairs. As an optional objective, the player may go through the basement in order to rescue him. He will be found in the kitchen, in conversation with a super mutant who wishes to eat him. If the conversation goes on long enough (usually only 10–20 seconds), the mutant will start shooting Shorty. Saving him will provide the player with more good Karma. Note that the type of mutant that Shorty is talking to varies depending on the player's level, and can be anything from a regular super mutant to an Overlord, if Broken Steel is installed; however, it will still be labeled "super mutant" in-game.
If Red DiesEdit
If Red dies at any point during the quest, it will not immediately fail. The objectives will update to tell the player to go to Big Town to explain her death. When the player speaks with any of the residents and tells them about their friend's demise, they will give the player 200 caps, stating that the town won't be needing it anymore. The quest will fail at this point.
Once Red (and Shorty, if the player chose to help him) have been rescued, return to Big Town and speak to Red to be thanked. You can refuse a reward for good Karma, or request one to receive 300 bottle caps. 200 more can be obtained through a speech check with accompanying bad Karma. The caps can be returned afterward to gain the Karma back.
While the quest is technically over at this point, Red will immediately warn the player that super mutants plan to attack the town yet again. Lacking substantial combative skills, Red asks for the player's help in the town's defense (choose the "I can teach you to defend yourselves" chat option). Depending on the player's skill levels, the townspeople may be taught one of a variety of countermeasures in the town's scrapyard, or in the case of mine-laying, by the bridge entrance.
- With at least 50 in the Small Guns skill, they may be taught how to use conventional firearms, and a makeshift shooting range of bottles and cans appears that the player must shoot at.
- With at least 50 in the Sneak skill, they may be taught how to effectively hide from the mutants. The player must go into sneak mode and let the villagers follow them in sneak mode for some time.
- With at least 50 in the Science skill, they may be taught how to build robots to use as bodyguards. The player must interact with the sentry bot and protectron there to reactivate them. If only one is reactivated, residents will reactivate the other robot themselves. Note that there are a few bugs associated with this option, such as the protectron not being there at all and/or flying out of the sky to land in random places.
- With at least 50 in the Explosives skill, they may be taught how to make a minefield. Demonstrate by throwing a mine on the bridge. Note that there is a bug associated with this option.
Alternatively, the player may not teach them anything, and either leave them to their fate, or help fight the mutants anyway. Although the residents are weak, weapons, ammunition, and armor can be reverse pick-pocketed into their inventories to give them a better chance (especially if the Small Guns option wasn't chosen). Forcing a loading screen, such as by entering or leaving a building with an interior cell, or fast traveling from and to Big Town is required to get them to equip their new items.
Shortly after preparations are made, a number of super mutants (this varies depending on the player's actions, as explained below) will attack. If sneak was not chosen, the super mutants must be defeated to complete it. However, if sneak was chosen, two super mutants will enter, try to find the townspeople, and if uninterrupted, eventually leave. They then follow the road north between Hallowed Moors Cemetery and Meresti Trainyard back to the Germantown Police HQ.
If Red survivesEdit
- 500 caps + bad Karma by passing a speech check
- With either option, Red will still offer healing services and Pappy will offer repair services.
If Red diesEdit
- 200 caps
|10||Ask the people of Big Town about their captured friends.|
|20||Rescue the Big Town captives from the Super Mutants.|
|30||Escort Red safely back to Big Town.|
|40||[Optional] Rescue Shorty.|
|45||Escort Shorty safely back to Big Town.|
|49||Quest finished||Explain Red's death to the people of Big Town. (If Red dies)|
|50||Quest finished||Speak to Red about your reward.|
- Sometimes after you rescue Red and Shorty, some super mutants will respawn, if Broken Steel is installed an overlord may spawn in front of the exit. Most mutant encounters are related to the Lone Wanderer's level.
- If Red is enslaved as part of the Strictly Business quest before she is returned to Big Town and this quest completed, it will not be able to be completed until Red is either killed, or her slave collar removed.
- While the hostages mention they don't know what the super mutants intend to do with them, Uncle Leo suggests the hostages are used to make more super mutants. This is supported by a super mutant if the sneak option is chosen; if the player listens in on the conversation unsighted, one of the mutants asks the villagers to come out, with the offer, "Don't you want to be like us?"
- Players with the Light Step perk need to pay close attention to the ground when escorting Red and Shorty out of the police station. There are frag mines littered throughout the building, and although you won't trigger them, your new traveling companions will. One or two explosions is enough to kill either of the Big Towners.
- If the village is defended with one of the special options above, the townspeople will start buying supplies to continue what you've taught them. A random encounter with a scavenger may have him or her mentioning it is a good place to make money selling said supplies.
- The village may also be wiped out in a super mutant attack, which is much more likely to happen if the player doesn't teach the town any means to defend themselves. If this happens, a lone super mutant will be seen wandering around the now uninhabited town. The aforementioned scavenger will mention the town's demise in his dialogue, and say he/she is going there to loot. Upon entering the Big Town, the corpses of its residents will be scattered around big town.
- If you taught the Big towners to use guns and equipped them with armor/guns (reverse-pickpocketing), then it is likely that every time you fast travel later, a random raider/super mutant (usually one irrespective of player level) shall spawn in front of you drawing fire from the towners and your companions alike.
- The town's residents may be attacked and killed, by either nearby raiders or Enclave soldiers who may appear upon your arrival, before you can start the quest. If Timebomb is left alive, the quest may still be started and can be completed if Red and/or Shorty reach the town and survive the super mutant attack.
- After preparing for the imminent super mutant attack, the quest may complete itself (recognized by the message that you have gained Karma).
- Having Fawkes as a companion allows you to suggest to use the explosives way to defend the town as they prepare for the super mutant attack. This will result in frag mines spawning around Fawkes every few seconds.
- If you successfully defend the town twice, Red will decide to go to the Lincoln Memorial.
- If one of the robots is missing from the scrapyard it may be outside the town, in which case Kimba will go out and fix it.
- Depending on the player's level, a radscorpion or giant radscorpion may sometimes spawn inside the town, usually resulting in the deaths of most of Big Town's population.
- To help defend Big Town, it is possible to give both Red and Shorty additional armor and weapons (such as power armor and any weapon type as long as ammo is also provided) However, if these items are not taken back before the quest ends, there will be no option to re-obtain them through conversation.
Behind the scenesEdit
- The title of this quest pays homage to a film called Big Trouble in Little China.
- pc ps3 xbox360 When presented with the option to defend the town by repairing the damaged robots, the robots will not be in the town, due to the flying creatures and items glitch. This renders this section of the quest unable to be completed. On the PC, entering the console and typing PRID 2d934, kill, resurrect, disable, enable, PRID 2c11b, kill, resurrect, disable, enable should restore the bots. If they fail to appear, you may need to enter one more command: "moveto player". Also, by chance if you walk out of Big town and fast travel back and wait a couple of hours the protectron MAY appear back, repaired. [verified]
- ps3 If the sentry bot appears but the protectron does not, the quest can complete at the stage of speaking to Red about your reward - though with no xp. The Big-Towners will still speak to you as if the mutant attack is imminent, but it will never arrive. Waiting (tried up to 48hrs) does not help, and the protectron does not appear. If you then leave Big Town and return, you will find the sentry bot still wandering around, but all the Big-Towners will have gone leaving no bodies. [verified]
- xbox360 One possible fix for the missing protectron problem is to just activate the sentry bot. Once this is done, a resident will be dispatched to activate the protectron (to practice what you just taught them), and they will hunt it down wherever it may have flown to. Use the Wait option and wait for a few hours, and the protectron should appear back in town, safe and sound, along with whoever went to look for it. Be careful when waiting: this can also cause the mutants to spawn in the middle of town! Try it one hour at a time to be safe.
- pc ps3 xbox360 If the quest is completed without looking for Shorty in the Germantown Police HQ, the player can later return and find Shorty still alive in the basement with 1 super mutant. After killing the super mutant, Shorty will converse with you normally, but no option to cut his bonds and set him free will be presented, forcing the player to walk out, leaving Shorty kneeling on the floor with his hands tied for the remainder of the game. [verified]
- ps3 xbox360 For an unknown reason when leaving the building after saving Red from the super mutants, & freeing her from the cell, she disappears completely. Fast traveling to Big Town will fix this. [verified]
- pc ps3 xbox360 When returning to Big Town after the rescue is completed, moving items in or out of Red or Shorty's inventory may cause them to stop following you altogether and remain standing still, despite being prompted to follow you. Fast-traveling to a different location and returning to where you left them will cause them to disappear completely, leaving the quest impossible to complete. [verified]
- xbox360 pc When the quest is completed, Three Dog will have a segment on you about Big Town, stating that you 'could have helped, but didn't' and calling you an asshole, even if you did complete the quest. [verified]
- ps3 When talking to Sticky, sometimes it does not activate the quest. [verified]
- The Lone Wanderer can talk to someone in Big Town to activate the quest.