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Luckmann

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Welcome to my Talk Page!
Welcome to the Vault

Hello, friend, and welcome to my Talk Page on the Fallout wiki! Thank you for stopping by, and I hope you'll stay with me for tea and crumpets and much more.

Some basics you may find useful:

  • I enjoy theorycrafting and all things relating to it. This may be elaborate scenarios or just plain character building and is not at all restricted to Fallout.
  • Be nice and I will be nice to you. Sometimes I may come across as arrogant or seem to make a point out of using complicated words; Please give me the benefit of the doubt! It is not intentional, unless you really are a drooling simpleton! Even if we do not agree, I will actively try to shy away from potentially offensive discourse.
  • I do not care about offensive language, but administrators may! I'm a child of the northern frost and one of the great culture shocks that I realized when becoming an adult is that apparently, certain cultures take swearing seriously. I don't. But others may. Keep this in mind!
  • I am Swedish and unless someone objects, welcome discourse in any civilized scandinavian language. I am fully fluent in both Swedish and Danish and I understand Norwegian (especially written) just fine. I will always respond in Swedish, however.
  • Please keep politics private. As per request, I direct you to the mailing function in case you want to discuss such with me. The Vault (or any Wikia) is not an engine for politics. I want to believe that we all share a common interest here (some more than others) and that we can work together in that interest.
  • Despite my apparently cold demeanor, I do have feelings. Don't be an ass.

If you have questions, requests or just want to drop by and say hi, by all means, go right ahead and write something already. I may be a slow contributor myself, prone to disappearing for stretches of time, but I always look forward to what people may do, say or just plain contribute!

-- Luckmann (Talk) 00:42, May 19, 2011

National socialism?

What? You're a nazi? Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 12:33, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's about the gist of it. Although as a general rule, "nazi" is a misnomer and generally frowned upon. Luckmann 01:21, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not going to give any respect to a follower of a murderous ideology. Frown upon it all you want. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 12:54, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Nor should you and neither would I. smilem.png And I strive to turn frowns upside-down (in generally non-invasive manners not at all reminiscent of mad scientistry) so don't you worry about that.

On an entirely unrelated note, how do you get one of those tiny little signature things in front of your name? Do you add them manually or is there some kind of functionality to it? Luckmann 13:24, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. smilem.png Figured it out. Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 14:44, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

I will frown. Together with the Soviet Union, the Reich has commited unforgivable crimes against my people, my country and my family. I'm open minded and tolerant, but this is one of those few scenarios in which I am as stubborn and fanatical as they come. But tell me, in which ways are you a nazi, I'm curious? Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 15:04, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Are there different "ways" of being a national socialist, now? Anyway, if you're asking whether I'm the "Hollywood" naziesque archetype, that's a big "no". I've been a national socialist for most of my life, but only started being an activist about four, maybe five years ago now, mostly dedicating myself to theoretical studies before then. I've held a few speeches, most notably at the Salem March last Christmas and the German Fest der Völker before then, and am/was one of the key members of Antikap.nu, a "think tank", "internal lobbyist" or news portal centered around economics in general & anti-capitalist economics in particular (currently on hiatus, to be re-launched at an undetermined time). I would define the three pillars of National Socialism as Ethnic Nationalism (Etnonationalism in Swedish), Völkisher Socialism (Folksocialism in Swedish; I use "Völkisher", the German noun, because the modern English language as I know it is severely lacking in certain terminologies), and Third-Positionism (Neither Left nor Right).

I assume that answers your question adequately. :) Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 15:20, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
My question was raised more in regards to your views on core elements of nazism, such as chauvinism, racism and disrespect for human rights. Having researched the subject extensively as part of my interests, I'm well aware that there are many ways a person is a nazi. A lot of them, however, connect to the undoubtedly racist terror organizations such as Stormfront. That's what I'm interested in. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:04, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I don't recognize "chauvinism, racism and disrespect for human rights" as "core concepts" of national socialism. I also find it hilarious that you can call Stormfront a "racist terror organization" with a straight face, especially since Stormfront is very entrenched in the amerocentric ideas of "White Nationalism", rather than espousing any kind of coherent ideological dogma or teaching, and certainly not a national socialist one. Your idea that many of the "ways" someone can be a "nazi" connects to the "undoubtly" "racist terror organizations" "such as Stormfront" is erroneous to it's logical extreme. The only organizations that could be labeled as such that I know of are certain American and Russian groups that only tenuously can be linked to any coherent teaching; and it certainly doesn't include a rag-tag discussion forum on the issues of "White Nationalism" such as Stormfront. Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 16:27, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Then what is your stance on them? You've been avoiding answering my query like the plague. And for the record, national socialism was outlined by Hitler and chauvinism, racism and disregard for basic human rights are a core, inalienable part of this ideology. Mein Kampf is essentially the bible of national socialism. If you do not agree with it, you are not a national socialist. Now please answer my query, if you may. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:00, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not at all avoiding your question; I've already answered it. I don't consider "chauvinism, racism and a disregard for basic human rights" as "core, inalienable parts" of national socialism. So in the context of national socialism, I don't have "a stance" on any of these subjects. I also want to point out that while Mein Kampf as written by Adolf Hitler may be a major foundation of national socialism, it is by no means the sole defining article on all things national-socialistic. Hitler, while absolutely one of the defining people behind the rise of national socialism (but not the originator), was not even the chief ideologue (Alfred Rosenberg was; I recommend "Collected Essays" for a more nuanced look on national socialist foundations). Not only does the application of national socialist dogma differ based on ethnicity and culture, but it has moved past it's historical trappings, just like any other ideology or political group - in some cases into wildly different directions and in others it have even regressed into marxist thought (such as with self-defined "Strasserists" in Germany or Eastern Europe). Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 18:29, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

So you don't consider the core of national socialism to be the core of national socialism... I'm still quite perplexed as to how someone can follow an ideology of hate coined by one of the worst monsters in recorded history (second to Stalin, but still). Especially since Rosenberg, whom you mention as having a "more nuanced view" was the Nazi party's chief ideologist, who always kept the ideology as predominantly white supremacist, antisemitic and fiercely fanatical. You claim that it has evolved, but its roots will always be the murderous ideology that claimed the lives of milions, regardless of nationality, and nearly collapsed Europe. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 18:48, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

You're missing the point - What you erroneously claim as "the core of national socialism" is not what I consider the core of national socialism. As I've said repeatedly, I don't consider "chauvinism, racism and a disregard for basic human rights" to be what you call a "core, inalienable part" of national socialism - and you would be hard pressed to find any national socialist that would agree with that sentiment, living or dead. You harp on "white supremacist", even though the concept of being "white", let alone in a supremacist sense, never factored into the philosophy of even the most fringe of national socialist - "White supremacy" is a post-war American ideal; an ideal which's earliest influences were fought against in the reich, where the German wing of the KKK was even banned. You claim antisemitism, even though Germany fought alongside a great many semites - even jews that still believed in the peaceful creation of a jewish state supported by Germany, as originally planned. Only two political flags were even legal in the state of Germany at the time; It was that of the NSDAP and that of the state of Israel (before it actually became the state of Israel, obviously). To this very day, Mein Kampf rates high on the bestseller lists in the Middle East, a testament to the support national socialism had, and have, amongst semites - although obviously not jews, anymore. But most hilariously, you claim that Rosenberg, of all people, kept the ideology "fiercly fanatical", even though Rosenberg is generally acknowledged to have lost his limelight precisely because he was about as interesting as dry bread. A brilliant ideologue, but hardly one that got the blood flowing.

As for the rest of your tirade about "murderous ideology" that "claimed millions" and "nearly collapsed Europe", I can only pity your narrow view on history. It must be very easy to blame an entire war, especially one of such massive proportions, on a singular aspect or a singular person. It's very easy, but also very, very childish. Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 19:33, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah i didn`t want to screw anything up there seems to be alot of writing and i dont know how this all works but i answered your question on my pageUser:BlackDahliaMartyr 9:39PM May 18

Kan inte säga annat än att du är sjukt slirig ;) Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 22:29, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Consoles Must Burn?

LOL you jealous of consoles cause you spent 1000 buck on a machine for playing games. Try not to be such a douche. Plus fu for being a nazi, even if you are against killing jews, facism is a dumb system of governance. kevobk 14:33, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

  • Cool troll, bro. Luckmann 21:07, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah what a tool who comes onto ``your page`` then just talks smack...cool i figured out how to do this> User:BlackDahliaMartyr now how do i get rid of the user in front of my name? May 18

Allvarligt?!

Personligen trodde jag aldrig att de skulle bli något annat än att du och Tag skulle mun(tangent)huggas, men... Guess I was wrong... Personligen tycker jag att det är fel, och hoppas att du är tillbaka snart! Puss och Kram Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 19:07, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Tillbaka nu?

Undrade bara om du var tillbaka? PussScar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 13:42, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. Fortfarande blockad. Visar sig att mitt konto är pemablockat; bara IPt unblockades efter 24 timmar. Fortfarande inget svar från Adminen jag bad om hjälp (Master Mold). ~Luckmann

Ban

I have temporarily removed your ban pending discussion with Tagaziel, I ask that in future that your personal political ideology be keep away from the wiki, even if questioned by others as to your own personal stance. Such topics are controversial and can cause disputes among editors, which could be considered flaming, trolling etc. even if not initiated by yourself. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 20:09, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

I understand and thank you for your help on this issue. I hope there's no additional fallout due to this debacle and if approached in the future, I will respectfully decline comment or take it to E-mail or IM. Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 21:48, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa-hey!

Du vann (typ)! Trevligt att ha dig tillbaka i vilket fall. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 21:50, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Tack. Jag vill inte ropa hej innan jag är över bron, dock. Tror det kan bli rätt mycket liv om det här på moderatornivå. Om inte de där två kan komma överens så kommer de troligtvis kalla in en tredje administratör som får mediera mellan dem; Och vem vet vad han bestämmer sig för?

Lite sjukt dock om det är som Tagaziel säger, att de har banna folk för deras åsikter innan också. Jag har aktivt försökt hitta regler gällande uppförande osv. på sidan, men det är typ omöjligt. Tycker inte om när allting verkar bestämmas av Admin-Fiat. :) Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 21:54, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Man måste hålla med om det... Så länge du inte prackar på folk din politiska åsikt eller dylikt borde du vara "untouchable"... Men Tag verkar vara rätt inställd på att få ut dig från wikin. Du får hoppas på någon opartisk, typ Ausir, annars vete fan... Puss Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 21:57, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Problemet är att jag inte direkt känner någon här. Även om jag har polska vänner så känner jag inte att jag kan riktigt lita på polacker i ärendet och Ausir är ju också polack. Återigen, inget ont om polacker, men man kan ju förstå om de inte är opartiska. I och för sig så är verkar ju Tag vara anarkist också, av hans sida att döma. Han ändrade den också nu i dagarna, förmodligen för att skicka mig ett "meddelande". Palestinasjalsmods och allt. Undrar hur glada de hade blivit om jag hade laddat upp bilder på Valgarors kassa hakkors-mods till FO3.

Aja, vafan. Me ne frego som italienarna säger. :p Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 22:05, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mein Kampf and your "Socialism"

In general and in my insights, Mein Kampf is merely the "bible" of national socialism, but is the record of crimes your "leader" committed. Some of his crimes commited are claiming the lives of innocent lives of people, who have done nothing wrong in your deniable (in the first place) "socialism" by the greatest demon recorded in history and forcing your own people, your family, your country to listen to the commands of a monster, not just a monster, but a political murderer. The term "nazi" is not a misnomer and SHOULD be addressed because it is a the rightful term of what your kind really are. You are just a remnant of his so-called "great leadership". Yes! You are a member of his ways and for me and for all other people whose not belonging to your kind: you are now labeled as the demons and the unclean. So answer my queries: Is murdering 6 millon Jews and 13 million Russians is a good thing? Is brute forcing the civilians a good thing also? Is slavery better than the rights of the free people? Think about it. --Gauzzy 02:57, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

All i got to say is look above hes not going to answer you if your just going to rant about your opinion. Hes not allowed to keep talking about this subject so PISS OFF. Sorry for that Luck but seeing people bashing people for putting their point of view it`s not cool User:BlackDahliaMartyr

Your talk page

Now that the matter of politics has been settled, please remove the above political discussions from your talk page. Their continued presence only serves to attract further discussion. Thank you.--Gothemasticator 13:55, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Done and done. I contemplated removing it earlier, but I prefer to keep things around for posterity, even if it just lingers. I've screencapped it for personal use and it will be removed from the wiki as per your request effective immediately. luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 14:54, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

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